My offseason plan

[skinz2winz]

You can’t replace Williams. RK smith reed and Davis with anyone on our roster that provides equal or better quality . You know it and so do I

Right dad, so keep these aging vets who are a shell of themselves lately for what? Another 7-9 season, a year older and less productive to avoid let's see, a 4-12 season, plenty of draft picks, youth, athleticism and a bright future with an abundance of youthful untapped talent.
I kind of like GK's plan of re-tooling by stock piling picks and using cheap QB's to get us to our final destination, which will be a SB in about 4 years.

 

[gkekoa]

i dont see how you take a team from crappy to 500 during the gruden era , get rid of everything all at once and not call that tanking . it is tanking

you arent trotting out anderson and cassonova and telling me we are competitive at OLB . you arent trotting out holtz and flanagan with sprinkle and telling me we are competitive at TE

you arent trotting out christian and tell me we are competitive at LT

i dont give a damn about history . i am saying you cant make all those moves at once and be competitive next year

we are basically a good qb away from breaking through to being a consistent playoff team . i have no issue rolling with a FA qb and picking guys to build the team up to eventually draft the guy at qb .

in my opinion you give me rosen and this team is a playoff team if healthy you give me any of the rookie qbs and this team is a playoff team and i mean consistently

a look at TW's RK's and reed's contracts preclude any trades for meaningful draft picks its a poor concept

i can only imagine a game thread next year putting the va cavaliers on the field and calling that a good product

Don’t look at us as a 7-9 team. Look at us as a 1-6 team because that is what we were without AS, just like we will be without our 24 million dollar QB for the rest of our organiaztion’s Future. From there, do you believe TW, RK, and JN will be better than they were last season or will they decline? The obvious answer is they will decline because they are aging. So we aren’t even a 1-6 team. TW has spent the last two seasons getting injured. When healthy, he is still TW and that is why he yields a second rounder in a trade.

If you had looked, I said resign PS. I also think our value in round 1 is at edge rusher. Anderson was a second rounder. Why aren’t they competitive at TE? They may not be good pass catchers but they are better blockers.

Christian was drafted to be a LT. We have Moses and a ton of draft picks.

Well, where is this good QB going to come from? We have no cap space to sign one. Once we develop one, TW and RK will be worthless. As for the young QBs in Rosen or a rookie, if they pan out, perhaps we will be a playoff team. If we are, it is because of the good youth we have on this team, not the aging veterans.

TW...new team pays 23 mil for two years and it is a bargain...his new team cap hit would be about 13th highest
RK...new team pays 22 mil for two years of work...his new team cap hit would be about 25th
JR...new team pays 24 mil for three years of work, if healthy he is a bargain. New team hit would be about 8th.

 

[skinsdad62]

Don’t look at us as a 7-9 team. Look at us as a 1-6 team because that is what we were without AS, just like we will be without our 24 million dollar QB for the rest of our organiaztion’s Future. From there, do you believe TW, RK, and JN will be better than they were last season or will they decline? The obvious answer is they will decline because they are aging. So we aren’t even a 1-6 team. TW has spent the last two seasons getting injured. When healthy, he is still TW and that is why he yields a second rounder in a trade.

If you had looked, I said resign PS. I also think our value in round 1 is at edge rusher. Anderson was a second rounder. Why aren’t they competitive at TE? They may not be good pass catchers but they are better blockers.

Christian was drafted to be a LT. We have Moses and a ton of draft picks.

Well, where is this good QB going to come from? We have no cap space to sign one. Once we develop one, TW and RK will be worthless. As for the young QBs in Rosen or a rookie, if they pan out, perhaps we will be a playoff team. If we are, it is because of the good youth we have on this team, not the aging veterans.

TW...new team pays 23 mil for two years and it is a bargain...his new team cap hit would be about 13th highest
RK...new team pays 22 mil for two years of work...his new team cap hit would be about 25th
JR...new team pays 24 mil for three years of work, if healthy he is a bargain. New team hit would be about 8th.

i am going to look at it as we are 7-9

 

[kbso83432]

I would love this plan and be all for it if we had a real football mind in the building that was allowed to have final say. Basically, if I knew Bruce wasn't going to oversee the rebuild, I'd be all for it.

 

[gkekoa]

i am going to look at it as we are 7-9

Look at it however you want. The most accurate way to look at it is we were 1-6 because that is who will be available to us. We were 1-6 without AS. We are going to be without AS.

 

[Sportster 72]

Just wondering who is going to lead this plan where we cut the best players so you can draft more players and acquire more FAs?

 

[gkekoa]

Just wondering who is going to lead this plan where we cut the best players so you can draft more players and acquire more FAs?

Me. But like I said, the organization is too stupid to do this plan.

 

[skinsdad62]

Look at it however you want. The most accurate way to look at it is we were 1-6 because that is who will be available to us. We were 1-6 without AS. We are going to be without AS.

the most accurate way to look at is we are what our record says we are

 

[gkekoa]

the most accurate way to look at is we are what our record says we are

Actually it isn’t. The most accurate way to look at it is with the players on the field.

Going into next season, if Tom Brady retires, do you still have the same expectations of the Super Bowl winner?

 

[skinsdad62]

Actually it isn’t. The most accurate way to look at it is with the players on the field.

Going into next season, if Tom Brady retires, do you still have the same expectations of the Super Bowl winner?

I don’t have expectations of us winning a Super Bowl next year . I have expectations of us starting to make the playoffs consistently . Gutting our team trying to be smarter then anyone else in the room sets that process back several more years because I know what a 3 win season looks like both on and off the field . Until I see what this team does at qb I am not willing to go along with the annual “ let’s cut player x” to get unrealistic draft picks . Some of you think opposing GMS are stupid and will sell the farm for our ash and aging trash . Listen to yourselves , take our overpriced aging declining players and give us premium draft picks . Yeah right , where do I sign up says opposing GMS

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I don’t have expectations of us winning a Super Bowl next year . I have expectations of us starting to make the playoffs consistently . Gutting our team trying to be smarter then anyone else in the room sets that process back several more years because I know what a 3 win season looks like both on and off the field . Until I see what this team does at qb I am not willing to go along with the annual “ let’s cut player x” to get unrealistic draft picks . Some of you think opposing GMS are stupid and will sell the farm for our ash and aging trash . Listen to yourselves , take our overpriced aging declining players and give us premium draft picks . Yeah right , where do I sign up says opposing GMS

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I would love for the team to be successful using your philosophy. However - the makeup of the FO and coaches during the Snyder era just appear to indicate that this will never occur if they keep employing the same strategy.

Take a look at their yearly record since Snyder took over the team. They started well when he inherited the roster from someone else. Since then it has basically been 20 years of mediocrity or worse. Tons of .500 seasons or losing seasons with occasional 1 & out playoff appearances & never two consecutive seasons in the playoffs (during an era where just about every other NFC team made the SB). This is pathetic. Add to this the fact that Gruden is almost by definition a .500 coach.

What exactly makes you think that using this "let's get a little better each season" philosophy with their "FO by committee" approach will result in better results & ultimately a SB? It has never worked under Snyder & you would almost have to be insane to think that it will work moving forward. I was basically on the same page as you until recently, but 20 years of this shit makes me think differently.

I am not advocating tearing the team apart & I agree that you are not going to get tons of high picks back for aging players. However - I do think that they need to take a different approach since the current one is just not working. We were fooled early last season when the Redskins started strong by beating a bunch of crappy teams (& yes injuries hurt them). However there are fundamental issues with this team & they at least need to consider shaking things up somewhat.

Sorry - but I think that just being patients & working towards the upcoming season & hoping & praying for long term success is just not very promising especially with the likes of Snyder & Allen running the show. Please prove me wrong.

 

[skinsdad62]

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I would love for the team to be successful using your philosophy. However - the makeup of the FO and coaches during the Snyder era just appear to indicate that this will never occur if they keep employing the same strategy.

Take a look at their yearly record since Snyder took over the team. They started well when he inherited the roster from someone else. Since then it has basically been 20 years of mediocrity or worse. Tons of .500 seasons or losing seasons with occasional 1 & out playoff appearances & never two consecutive seasons in the playoffs (during an era where just about every other NFC team made the SB). This is pathetic. Add to this the fact that Gruden is almost by definition a .500 coach.

What exactly makes you think that using this "let's get a little better each season" philosophy with their "FO by committee" approach will result in better results & ultimately a SB? It has never worked under Snyder & you would almost have to be insane to think that it will work moving forward. I was basically on the same page as you until recently, but 20 years of this shit makes me think differently.

I am not advocating tearing the team apart & I agree that you are not going to get tons of high picks back for aging players. However - I do think that they need to take a different approach since the current one is just not working. We were fooled early last season when the Redskins started strong by beating a bunch of crappy teams (& yes injuries hurt them). However there are fundamental issues with this team & they at least need to consider shaking things up somewhat.

Sorry - but I think that just being patients & working towards the upcoming season & hoping & praying for long term success is just not very promising especially with the likes of Snyder & Allen running the show. Please prove me wrong.

I think the team is building . The d/ line is doing well. We have 3 young Ilbs , we have a decent RB . Our defense made a huge jump . Our o/line when healthy is good . With decent qb play and a productive off season I see no reason why we can’t take another step .

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I think the team is building . The d/ line is doing well. We have 3 young Ilbs , we have a decent RB . Our defense made a huge jump . Our o/line when healthy is good . With decent qb play and a productive off season I see no reason why we can’t take another step .

Fair enough. I agree with that, but is it enough? Is the goal simply to improve the team somewhat & make the playoffs every now & then or to achieve true success? Again IMO the only long term goal that matters is winning the SB. Do you truly see this team heading in that direction say in the next 3 years?

That is why I would be OK with obtaining someone like Rosen if the required picks in trade are not that great. If he fails - big deal - you dump him for next to nothing & get another QB (& no it doesn't have to be Lawrence or the next big thing). Ditto - if you have to say trade a T. Williams you at least consider it if it puts you in better position in a few years. No - you don't dump the entire roster - you look at both the long & short term outlook. Again - I am not saying get rid of all vets - just consider your options.

I just want to see this team start to consider their future beyond simply the upcoming season. I hate to see this team suffer for another 10-20 seasons & that is certainly possible with Snyder at the helm.

 

[skinsdad62]

Fair enough. I agree with that, but is it enough? Is the goal simply to improve the team somewhat & make the playoffs every now & then or to achieve true success? Again IMO the only long term goal that matters is winning the SB. Do you truly see this team heading in that direction say in the next 3 years?

That is why I would be OK with obtaining someone like Rosen if the required picks in trade are not that great. If he fails - big deal - you dump him for next to nothing & get another QB (& no it doesn't have to be Lawrence or the next big thing). Ditto - if you have to say trade a T. Williams you at least consider it if it puts you in better position in a few years. No - you don't dump the entire roster - you look at both the long & short term outlook. Again - I am not saying get rid of all vets - just consider your options.

I just want to see this team start to consider their future beyond simply the upcoming season. I hate to see this team suffer for another 10-20 seasons & that is certainly possible with Snyder at the helm.

I don’t see this as an either/or proposition. Consistently making the playoffs ( not just every so often ). Is the next step . Getting our new franchise type qb is a step we need to do to keep moving forward . We blew our chance at the franchise guy we had already in place . I feel we will either draft the qb this year or get a Rosen . Maybe TB is a guy who can guide us there till 2020

 

[gkekoa]

I don’t have expectations of us winning a Super Bowl next year . I have expectations of us starting to make the playoffs consistently . Gutting our team trying to be smarter then anyone else in the room sets that process back several more years because I know what a 3 win season looks like both on and off the field . Until I see what this team does at qb I am not willing to go along with the annual “ let’s cut player x” to get unrealistic draft picks . Some of you think opposing GMS are stupid and will sell the farm for our ash and aging trash . Listen to yourselves , take our overpriced aging declining players and give us premium draft picks . Yeah right , where do I sign up says opposing GMS

We won’t be making the playoffs consistently this season or next.

I don’t want to gut the team. I want us to take care of our DL, the right side of our OL, our RB, and perhaps even our ILbs while resigning PS. That is our foundation. Aging and oft injured players are not the building blocks of this team.

I am not trying to be smarter than everybody else in the room. That just happens.

Tell me...what is unrealistic about the draft picks I just said we could get? Ready...go. Giving up a second rounder isn’t giving up the farm. You don’t think Minnesota would jump all over Trent Williams? You don’t think NE would love RK? You don’t think NO would love Jordan Reed?

 

[gkekoa]

I think the team is building . The d/ line is doing well. We have 3 young Ilbs , we have a decent RB . Our defense made a huge jump . Our o/line when healthy is good . With decent qb play and a productive off season I see no reason why we can’t take another step .

I didn’t suggest getting rid of any of those players on defense.

Our OL hasn’t been healthy in two seasons. TW has ended the last two seasons injured and has made comments a little weed could help.

Who is this decent QB we are going to get? Colt McCoy? He will be injured by week 2. Josh Johnson sucks. How exactly do we have a productive offseason? How do we resign good quality players in the future if we keep this wasted cap space?

 

[skinsdad62]

We won’t be making the playoffs consistently this season or next.

I don’t want to gut the team. I want us to take care of our DL, the right side of our OL, our RB, and perhaps even our ILbs while resigning PS. That is our foundation. Aging and oft injured players are not the building blocks of this team.

I am not trying to be smarter than everybody else in the room. That just happens.

Tell me...what is unrealistic about the draft picks I just said we could get? Ready...go. Giving up a second rounder isn’t giving up the farm. You don’t think Minnesota would jump all over Trent Williams? You don’t think NE would love RK? You don’t think NO would love Jordan Reed?

Not for 2nds especially when you are selling they are in decline

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I don’t see this as an either/or proposition. Consistently making the playoffs ( not just every so often ). Is the next step . Getting our new franchise type qb is a step we need to do to keep moving forward . We blew our chance at the franchise guy we had already in place . I feel we will either draft the qb this year or get a Rosen . Maybe TB is a guy who can guide us there till 2020

I agree with your basic premise but in reality it doesn't work that way with this team. Again - they have not made the playoffs in consecutive seasons for 20+ years. They also almost always seem to take 1 step forward & 2 steps back.

So many folks here seem to think that passing on Cousins is about the only reason that this team has had problems. That is just the tip of the iceberg - they have tons of issues. I am simply advocating making the long term future a bigger priority than next season. Again - maybe you don't gut the whole team, but they have to start thinking like the Pats & Eagles & dumping vets when they are either at their peak or on the way down (even if they still contribute). That is the MO of most successful NFL teams.

 

[gkekoa]

Not for 2nds especially when you are selling they are in decline

I didn’t say they are in decline. I said they will be when we are competitive.

Richard Seymour was traded to Oakland for a first. Trent and RK are both better than Seymour was.

Randy Moss was traded to Oakland for a 1 and a player.

Amari Cooper for a first.

Brando Cooks for a first.

 

[skinsdad62]

I didn’t say they are in decline. I said they will be when we are competitive.

Richard Seymour was traded to Oakland for a first. Trent and RK are both better than Seymour was.

Randy Moss was traded to Oakland for a 1 and a player.

Amari Cooper for a first.

Brando Cooks for a first.

we are competitive now with a qb play being better and better health . doing what you advocate means we wont be competitive , we will have a new coaching staff and a new rebuild adding more years to our issues . ticket sale will plummet and on and on

again you said above that these players are IN decline so why would a team want them for 2nd round picks .

if williams and RK are at those levels for cooper , cooks moss then why trade them ?