My offseason plan

[gkekoa]

I was going to simply say, why waste my time with this. 5e organization is too damn stupid to follow it.

But, it is fun.

Cuts and trades..
Trent Williams trade for 2nd rounder.
Ryan Kerrigan trade for 2nd.
Jordan Reed trade for 5th plus 2020 provisional 3rd.
Josh Norman trade for 5th plus provisional 3rd.
Zach Brown for a sixth.

Cut AS, VD, McGee, Colt McCoy, and Mason Foster.

Resign PS. Extend Scherff. Iron Man, and possibly Reuben Foster.

Look into Landon Collins and Teddy Bridgewater.

Draft, we added two 2s, two 5s, and a 6. Trade a 3 for Rosen.
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I will add the draft when the predicted rounds are a bit more complete. We let TB (if his price is not too high) and Josh Rosen compete. Both will eventually be trade bait. Both will likely yield us a top two pick in 2020. With TB and JR under contract, and expected trade bait, we will not be in a hurry to start our rookie top pick in 2020.

 

[Stymietee]

I was going to simply say, why waste my time with this. 5e organization is too damn stupid to follow it.

But, it is fun.

Cuts and trades..
Trent Williams trade for 2nd rounder.
Ryan Kerrigan trade for 2nd.
Jordan Reed trade for 5th plus 2020 provisional 3rd.
Josh Norman trade for 5th plus provisional 3rd.
Zach Brown for a sixth.

Cut AS, VD, McGee, Colt McCoy, and Mason Foster.

Resign PS. Extend Scherff. Iron Man, and possibly Reuben Foster.

Look into Landon Collins and Teddy Bridgewater.

Draft, we added two 2s, two 5s, and a 6. Trade a 3 for Rosen.
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I will add the draft when the predicted rounds are a bit more complete. We let TB (if his price is not too high) and Josh Rosen compete. Both will eventually be trade bait. Both will likely yield us a top two pick in 2020. With TB and JR under contract, and expected trade bait, we will not be in a hurry to start our rookie top pick in 2020.

Actually, this is not too bad. It seems more like a reload than a rebuild. Are we still in agreement on cutting ties with A. Smith this year with these moves?

 

[gkekoa]

Actually, this is not too bad. It seems more like a reload than a rebuild. Are we still in agreement on cutting ties with A. Smith this year with these moves?

Of course we get rid of AS because he is on my cut list.

 

[tlance]

I was going to simply say, why waste my time with this. 5e organization is too damn stupid to follow it.

But, it is fun.

Cuts and trades..
Trent Williams trade for 2nd rounder.
Ryan Kerrigan trade for 2nd.
Jordan Reed trade for 5th plus 2020 provisional 3rd.
Josh Norman trade for 5th plus provisional 3rd.
Zach Brown for a sixth.

Cut AS, VD, McGee, Colt McCoy, and Mason Foster.

Resign PS. Extend Scherff. Iron Man, and possibly Reuben Foster.

Look into Landon Collins and Teddy Bridgewater.

Draft, we added two 2s, two 5s, and a 6. Trade a 3 for Rosen.
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I will add the draft when the predicted rounds are a bit more complete. We let TB (if his price is not too high) and Josh Rosen compete. Both will eventually be trade bait. Both will likely yield us a top two pick in 2020. With TB and JR under contract, and expected trade bait, we will not be in a hurry to start our rookie top pick in 2020.

I like this plan with 1 caveat.

Rather than shoot for a top 2 pick in 2020, why not go for #1 in 2021?

Trevor Lawrence is the real deal.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I like this plan with 1 caveat.

Rather than shoot for a top 2 pick in 2020, why not go for #1 in 2021?

Trevor Lawrence is the real deal.

If you are trading for Rosen then in all likelihood you are not looking for a QB at that time. If you are then it means that Rosen didn't pan out.

I like the plan or at least certainly the mindset behind the plan. As gke mentioned it is highly doubtful that the Skins go in this direction. For starters it basically means eating the cap money for Smith. I am 100% in agreement with this (& have stated as much in the past), but I have a had hard time seeing the Redskins FO feeling this way now unless of course they have enough info on Smith rt now to realize that isn't playing football again (which is totally possible).

Good plan gke.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

Sounds good im down for a reboot

 

[skinsdad62]

Won’t happen , you won’t get what you are asking for on RKO or TW and you have no viable replacements for them either.

You have no te’s on the roster capable of playing major snaps .

You end up spending draft picks on wholes you just created leaving the same holes we have now

The team won’t do this . You can get rid of one of the older guys between the 3 but you can’t field a competitive football team with these moves

Won’t happen nor should it

 

[Stymietee]

Of course we get rid of AS because he is on my cut list.

First one too, sorry I completely missed that.

 

[gkekoa]

I like this plan with 1 caveat.

Rather than shoot for a top 2 pick in 2020, why not go for #1 in 2021?

Trevor Lawrence is the real deal.

Top 2 includes number 1. There is no guarantee we would be as bad as I predict and there is no guarantee some other team won’t be worse.

 

[gkekoa]

Won’t happen , you won’t get what you are asking for on RKO or TW and you have no viable replacements for them either.

You have no te’s on the roster capable of playing major snaps .

You end up spending draft picks on wholes you just created leaving the same holes we have now

The team won’t do this . You can get rid of one of the older guys between the 3 but you can’t field a competitive football team with these moves

Won’t happen nor should it

Actually, I would say we could easily get seconds for both TW and RK.

Sprinkle can play major snaps and there is a draft.

I fill the holes with draft picks, youth, and athleticism. We may still have holes, but those holes are occupied by lower cost players with potential. I think it is safe to say, we really aren’t competing in the next two seasons with veteran players.

I am pretty sure I stated the team is too stupid to do this in my first sentence.

Sure you can compete. We likely won’t win the six games your best team would provide, but we would be much better off in the long run.

It absolutely won’t happen, as I have stated, but it most definitely should happen.

 

[skinsdad62]

Actually, I would say we could easily get seconds for both TW and RK.

Sprinkle can play major snaps and there is a draft.

I fill the holes with draft picks, youth, and athleticism. We may still have holes, but those holes are occupied by lower cost players with potential. I think it is safe to say, we really aren’t competing in the next two seasons with veteran players.

I am pretty sure I stated the team is too stupid to do this in my first sentence.

Sure you can compete. We likely won’t win the six games your best team would provide, but we would be much better off in the long run.

It absolutely won’t happen, as I have stated, but it most definitely should happen.

You don’t get rid of players without replacements . You plan is tanking before we even take a practice snap

 

[gkekoa]

You don’t get rid of players without replacements . You plan is tanking before we even take a practice snap

You can replace every player on the roster with draft picks. They all provide better long term value than every player I mentioned.

You can also easily replace trash such as Mason foster.

 

[skinsdad62]

You can replace every player on the roster with draft picks. They all provide better long term value than every player I mentioned.

You can also easily replace trash such as Mason foster.

You can’t replace Williams. RK smith reed and Davis with anyone on our roster that provides equal or better quality . You know it and so do I

 

[gkekoa]

You can’t replace Williams. RK smith reed and Davis with anyone on our roster that provides equal or better quality . You know it and so do I

I didn’t say we could replace them with equal or better now. I said we could replace them with better value. These players provide no value for this team’s future except as trade compensation.

 

[skinsdad62]

I didn’t say we could replace them with equal or better now. I said we could replace them with better value. These players provide no value for this team’s future except as trade compensation.

They provide value right now . You don’t get rid of top players without viable replacements . The future will sort itself out

 

[gkekoa]

They provide value right now . You don’t get rid of top players without viable replacements . The future will sort itself out

They provide value right now, when we have no shot at winning.

You absolutely get rid of top players without viable replacements if you admit we suck.

The future hasn’t sorted itself out in 30 years, maybe we should try my approach.

 

[skinsdad62]

They provide value right now, when we have no shot at winning.

You absolutely get rid of top players without viable replacements if you admit we suck.

The future hasn’t sorted itself out in 30 years, maybe we should try my approach.

you say we have no shot at winning without a snap being taken . you dont tank which is what you advocate

 

[gkekoa]

you say we have no shot at winning without a snap being taken . you dont tank which is what you advocate

We don’t have a shot at winning. That is where you have a problem. You are being a blind homer.

Tanking is not attempting to win. I want these guys to play hard. I want to put a team together that can win a SB. I will tell you this, we will never make a SB with TW or RK on this team.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

you say we have no shot at winning without a snap being taken . you dont tank which is what you advocate

Tanking would actually be doing everything possible to lose every game in a season. This is basically what the 76ers did a few years back to ensure that they would have high draft picks. Although it has has never been proven it is highly assumed to occur for certain teams in the NBA where one player (e.g. LeBron James) can transform a team.

Highly unlikely for this to occur in the NFL. Even if you traded certain stars you could still stumble into victories during the season (sort of like what the Skins did early last season) & again players and coaches won't tank games.

I could perhaps buy your premise if you are suggesting that all of the proposed moves should not be made (an argument could be made). However - if you are suggesting that none of the vets (TW, RK, etc) should be traded to protect next season then I think you might want to reconsider your stance.

The only ultimate goal for any NFL team should be winning the SB. The Redskins seem to be happy making the playoffs every 3-4 years & never advancing beyond that pt. That is unacceptable. If you are suggesting keeping all of these vets & barely missing or making the playoffs next season & never advancing beyond that & then repeating this whole process year after year after year then I say please consider another direction.

As gke alluded to - this has been their MO for the past 20 years. When do you ever see them plan long term & have even 2 consecutive playoff seasons? They have 3 10 win seasons during this time & no NFC championship game appearances. That is beyond embarrassing. It shows a completely misguided approach for only worrying about the upcoming season.

I am totally OK with having a poor upcoming season (while still having players try to win games) if it is tied in with an approach where a solid foundation is being laid out for the future. Why do you have such a problem even considering that type of philosophy? And again - I don't think that should be labeled "tanking" but rather long term planning. Oh well - I am just getting tired of all of us just accepting this crap year after year after year. HTTR.

 

[skinsdad62]

Tanking would actually be doing everything possible to lose every game in a season. This is basically what the 76ers did a few years back to ensure that they would have high draft picks. Although it has has never been proven it is highly assumed to occur for certain teams in the NBA where one player (e.g. LeBron James) can transform a team.

Highly unlikely for this to occur in the NFL. Even if you traded certain stars you could still stumble into victories during the season (sort of like what the Skins did early last season) & again players and coaches won't tank games.

I could perhaps buy your premise if you are suggesting that all of the proposed moves should not be made (an argument could be made). However - if you are suggesting that none of the vets (TW, RK, etc) should be traded to protect next season then I think you might want to reconsider your stance.

The only ultimate goal for any NFL team should be winning the SB. The Redskins seem to be happy making the playoffs every 3-4 years & never advancing beyond that pt. That is unacceptable. If you are suggesting keeping all of these vets & barely missing or making the playoffs next season & never advancing beyond that & then repeating this whole process year after year after year then I say please consider another direction.

As gke alluded to - this has been their MO for the past 20 years. When do you ever see them plan long term & have even 2 consecutive playoff seasons? They have 3 10 win seasons during this time & no NFC championship game appearances. That is beyond embarrassing. It shows a completely misguided approach for only worrying about the upcoming season.

I am totally OK with having a poor upcoming season (while still having players try to win games) if it is tied in with an approach where a solid foundation is being laid out for the future. Why do you have such a problem even considering that type of philosophy? And again - I don't think that should be labeled "tanking" but rather long term planning. Oh well - I am just getting tired of all of us just accepting this crap year after year after year. HTTR.

i dont see how you take a team from crappy to 500 during the gruden era , get rid of everything all at once and not call that tanking . it is tanking

you arent trotting out anderson and cassonova and telling me we are competitive at OLB . you arent trotting out holtz and flanagan with sprinkle and telling me we are competitive at TE

you arent trotting out christian and tell me we are competitive at LT

i dont give a damn about history . i am saying you cant make all those moves at once and be competitive next year

we are basically a good qb away from breaking through to being a consistent playoff team . i have no issue rolling with a FA qb and picking guys to build the team up to eventually draft the guy at qb .

in my opinion you give me rosen and this team is a playoff team if healthy you give me any of the rookie qbs and this team is a playoff team and i mean consistently

a look at TW's RK's and reed's contracts preclude any trades for meaningful draft picks its a poor concept

i can only imagine a game thread next year putting the va cavaliers on the field and calling that a good product