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Yes, and accusations are merely that. Accusations. The number of them don’t matter if none are ever proven to be true.
Yes and no. Accusations are also often more than accusations. And when there is a significant volume of credible accusations thats a massive red flag. I think thats pretty indisputable.
But, there is not a sufficient volume of credible accusations.
This counterargument doesnt apply when your being sued by the DOJ (though Im not sure its a good one even if it were somebody else suing).
He settled the case.
He settled. So, your best example was settled out of court which proves nothing, as the rich will often settle out of court to avoid negative press.
No, I am providing it as part of Donald Trump's past. Why was he so determined to have the death penalty without evidence?
Why? I don’t know. Neither do you. But you’re instantly willing to chalk it up to racism, with zero evidence.
Why when evidence showed it was not them, did he deny that?
Why? I don’t know. Neither do you. But you’re instantly willing to chalk it up to racism, with zero evidence.
OJ is not a similar case - these men were exonerated by DNA evidence.
My point remains. Acquittal does not mean innocent, though, I’ll take your word these men are. Why does Trump maintain? If he still does I can only assume it’s either from being unaware, or stubborn. Both are bad. But, it’s a far cry from racism.
The argument does not fall apart. Youve shown nothing to prove that quote is false. Now of course - I showed nothing to prove it was true. But as I pointed out Trump himself said the book was probably true. And while that specific remark is not corroborated (or disputed) by any other witnesses (we dont know there were any anyways), there are many other claims from former employees and people who have known Trump of his racism.
In a court of law, the burden would be on the accuser to prove it true. As to the second, no, you claimed Trump said that….cite WHERE he specifically said it was likely true. And, if so, PROVIDE these employers examples and evidence. Until you do, it’s hearsay and, not evidence of ANYTHING.
Now sure - could they ALL be lying? I guess. But if you once again dismiss that and don't find it concerning, I think you have some questions to ask yourself.
As for dismissing “multiple claims”, the problem there is when you’re as famous, rich, powerful and polarizing as Trump, you’re going to have far more accusations, true or false, than most people ever would. People could lie being disgruntled (Amarosa for example), or looking to hurt Trump career wise or politically, but in a digital age it’s very surprising Trump’s NEVER ONCE been shown saying or doing anything racist, despite “so many” claims from employees apparently he does? If you don’t find that curious, I think you have some questions to ask yourself.
I mean - I guess? Why not dismiss everything he says as a joke except the parts you like? Words matter.
Words do matter, but so does context.
What other reason did Trump have for pushing birtherism?
The same reason everyone did…if Obama was not a citizen he could not be President!
Why did he leap to that conclusion? And yes, why did so many other people jump right on board and buy in without any evidence?
Probably because it was plausible? His father wasn’t American, he was a bastard of a hippie mother who was often abroad and it wasn’t immediately produced to silence criticism. And, conspiracy in this case grew because it took SO LONG to produce the birth certificate. I could provide mine within the hour. Why was the President unable to do so for so long? It seemed sketchy, so anyone that felt he wasn’t a citizen felt lack of evidence of his authenticity meant he was illegitimate.
Yeaaaaa somebody with the username whitegenocidetm is probably racist. And would you look at that a cursory search finds blatantly anti-semitic tweets from that account. Gee what a surprise.
Arguable, but I’ll say when I used to use Twitter, I didn’t look at every persons username, much less visit their page to see who they were.
Here is the post i was referring to.
Trump's Pants on Fire tweet that blacks killed 81% of white homicide victims
Its blatantly false. It is not seemingly credible. And if the president of the united states thinks that is credible he is either racist or extremely stupid (or both).
I’ll grant you, the president shouldn’t tweet things out without verifying it first. You must forgive me though if someone not fact checking a tweet is akin to racism, as if it were 99% of Twitter users are.
In context: Trump's racial comments about federal judge
So your argument is he's just xenophobic not racist? Thats...bold.
On June 2, 2016, Trump told the Wall Street Journal that Curiel had "an absolute conflict" in presiding over the litigation given that he is "of Mexican heritage" and a member of a Latino lawyers’ association. (When Trump said in a separate interview that Curiel "is a member of a club or society, very strongly pro-Mexican" in referfence to the group, PolitiFact National rated his statement Mostly False.) Trump told the journal the judge’s background was relevant because of his campaign stance against illegal immigration and his pledge to seal the southern U.S. border. "I’m building a wall. It’s an inherent conflict of interest," Trump said.
See, this isn’t racist. He wasn’t claiming him unable to judge based on his race but because he’s part of a Mexican-proud organization. It’s nationalistic perhaps and even rude but not racist.
No it was not. He said "ALL MUSLIMS".
In ONE example he said that, when, talking quickly to a crowd (and Trump struggles with public speaking anyway), he said “all Muslims”. In hundreds of times before and after he’d say radical Islam, or extreme Islam, etc. Anyone with common sense, anyone not blatantly biased knew he didn’t mean ALL Muslims from anywhere. And, Trump himself came out clarifying he didn’t mean ALL Muslims.
Look - when you have to explain away every statement a man makes about minorities as, "well ya see he didnt really mean what he said" thats a problem.
When you take a partial truth and make it a lie, that’s a problem. As stated above, ONE TIME Trump said “all Muslims”. That’s what the left uses to justify the bullshit lie that he means ALL Muslims when he had often before and continually after said me meant Muslims from spheres of islamic terrorism. AS EVIDENT BY THE FACT THAT HE NEVER TRIED BANNING ALL MUSLIMS.
Well, both.
Aye, your mind is made of regardless of a lack of evidence. Bet you think Kavanaugh tried raping Ford, and the Covington boys started the shit with the old man.
"Oh yea who cares about a little racial profiling and infringing on peoples rights - he caught some of those dang illegals! Worth it!"
Racial profiling works. It’s demonstrable. It’s also unethical. So, it’s a complicated practice….doing something wrong, despite it’s effectiveness. it’s just a matter of whether you think it’s justifiable. I’m honestly on the fence on it, to be honest. As for ALLEGEDLY infringing on the rights of criminals, alleged by criminals? I don’t care. Fuck them. Infringing on illegals? They have no rights, as they are not citizens. Treat them humanely, sure, but, if they get upset by it? Who cares?
No? You're free to post his quote with full context if you like - there was nothing wrong with what I said though.
Sigh, if you insist.
“I think there is blame on both sides. You had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides.”
That’s his exact quote. And he’s absolutely right. Literally word for word. Unless you feel there was no one of value on either side, there was an over abundance of white nationalists on the side defending the statues, and an overabundance of antifa, BLM and communists on the side attacking the right. Both sides got violent, both sides looking for a fight. So, Trump’s right. And, the motivations of people on both sides range from hateful, to noble.
He drew the outrage of far more than leftist media.
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This is a really common defense of racism and other trumpisms - "the leftists and leftist media were outraged".
It’s true. That’s why it’s a good defense.
Trump is extremely unpopular DESPITE a strong economy.
That is a lie.
People of many walks of life, races, and political beliefs think he's a racist and an idiot and a sexist and on and on.
People of many walks of life, races, and political beliefs think he’s NOT a racist, is brilliant, and a great President, and on and on.
For one - everybody you refer to as "leftists", as though that should be some insult, makes up a massive portion of the country.
No. Leftists is an insult, and progressives are evil. The left, as in democrats and liberals, make up a large portion of the country. Leftists make up a small, but belligerently loud and violent and activist portion of that left side. Leftists are cowards, and human trash. Democrats/liberals are just people….I disagree with them on many things but they’re just folks.
But plenty of independents and conservatives feel the same way. Some people still care more about country than party.
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I’d say it’s the democrats who care more about party than country. And FWIW, plenty of RHINOs have opposed and undermined Trump all along.
