Top Three Most Poorly Operated NBA Franchises

[lebron23james]

So to sum this up, the Cavs according to you drafted horribly, but also should have been a dynasty. Also, if it was all lebron, why didn't he just make and win finals before? Maybe Kyrie and Love are better than you think and it was a great draft pick and trade? Odd argument.

 

[Rockinkuwait]

So to sum this up, the Cavs according to you drafted horribly, but also should have been a dynasty. Also, if it was all lebron, why didn't he just make and win finals before? Maybe Kyrie and Love are better than you think and it was a great draft pick and trade? Odd argument.

What?? Why didn't he make finals with Mom Williams and 500 year old Shaq? Are you listening to what you are saying there. The moment he left the Cavs they immediately set the record for most consecutive losses in nba history. You are asking me why he didn't win a championship with that?

And if love and Kyrie were so good why couldnt they win together when LeBron was out? Remind me how many playoff appearances those two have in their careers without Lebron? It's... Almost one?


And it's not according to me . I have been looking for a streak of a worse outcome in the draft. It's hard to find worse. So according to NBA history they've drafted really poorly.


Yeah. They had more elite draft picks than some franchises in their entire history to put with prime LeBron playing at his best.

 

[Rockinkuwait]

You keep changing around the subject lol. Why did Orlando not have a dynasty with Howard, Webber and Shaq? Why did none of those other teams win? I thought it's easy right?

So is it the Cavs drafted badly how did they manage to win? You seem confused.

Because:

A. They got those picks over 30 years, not 4 years where they could put them all together

B. Lebron isn't from orlando and didn't join that group.

 

[Rockinkuwait]

Just a second ago you were trying to knock Kyrie for having a bad record on a pre lebron team lol

Now he joins a team which he is leading and the best player on it you are knocking him for that

You are still confusing regular season with how good a player is.

Toronto won 59 games in 2017. The Cavs won 50 games in 2017. Lebron sucks!

No. You wanted to discuss how Kyrie makes them better. I just mentioned that they were the number one seed in the East without him. And right now tied for number 5 in the East with him. Discuss?

 

[Rockinkuwait]

Just a second ago you were trying to knock Kyrie for having a bad record on a pre lebron team lol

Now he joins a team which he is leading and the best player on it you are knocking him for that

You are still confusing regular season with how good a player is.

Toronto won 59 games in 2017. The Cavs won 50 games in 2017. Lebron sucks!

Oh so we're talking about Kyrie's record in the playoffs without LeBron? Remind me again what the plus-minus of the Cavs was when Kyrie was on the floor and lebron wasn't?

 

[Stakesarehigh]

No. You wanted to discuss how Kyrie makes them better. I just mentioned that they were the number one seed in the East without him. And right now tied for number 5 in the East with him. Discuss?

Kyrie played 60 games

 

[Rockinkuwait]

Kyrie played 60 games

Yup. And nearly got the first seed in the East with him that year.

Remind me again what seed they were the year before?


Yes Kyrie was their good hit in the draft. Yes he is a great player. No I don't think the Cleveland front office got a good deal for him. Maybe this year he will take them to the finals and do better than they were with him out.

 

[lebron23james]

This is hilarious...

The Cavs in 4 years drafted Kyrie, Waiters, TT, Wiggins and Bennett. They then signed Lebron James. Traded Wiggins and Bennett for Kevin Love.

Went on to 4 NBA finals, winning a championship against the only 73 win team in NBA history. You must have some high standards for what you consider good for management of a basketball team. Lets play it another way. In those 4 years which teams outside of GS did any better from a management standpoint?

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Yup. And nearly got the first seed in the East with him that year.

Remind me again what seed they were the year before?

What exactly is the point of your argument about Kyrie anyway? Anyone with a brain would tell you he was the best choice for his slot. Again you can't play Kobe in 96 with Kawhi. Anyone who has come in this thread has tried explaining this to you albeit unsuccessfully.

Yes the Celtics were the one seed the year prior. And the Warriors won a finals without Durant so by your logic he is useless.

 

[lebron23james]

Because:

A. They got those picks over 30 years, not 4 years where they could put them all together

B. Lebron isn't from orlando and didn't join that group.

Shaq was drafted in 1992

Webber was drafted in 1993

A swing and a miss

 

[WiggyRuss]

And I agree with you that some owners are cheap. And it must suck to be a FO with an ownership that doesn't even try to win.



I think he's actually meaning to do championship-less teams. Which is true. Cleveland got one.

But like I am showing here they had 40 years worth of elite draft picks in a 4 year span leading up to adding Lebron James in his prime. I mean sure, if the Bulls won a single championship with Jordan and then messed up draft picks and were so bad when he left for baseball they were a basement team immediately, and he came back but went to NY... That's still a huge success for Chicago to win it's first title. But should we judge them hard since their bad moves cost them another 5?

I get teams have failed. But none in a LONG time (talking Russells Celtics) has been given more to succeed.

Five top 4 picks including 3 #1's like I said, some franchises haven't seen that in their entire history and this happens to them in 4 years.

And adding arguably the greatest NBA player in history in his prime. And 1 championship and a 4 year run is all they could make out of it? A second time where the second he leaves they are fighting to be the worst team in the NBA. One guy keeping them from that. It's insane.

Teh Cavs got the Kyrie pick because of Gilbert's deep pockets.

plus- the Cavs front office knew that the best way to win in the NBA is to tank and gather those high picks.

I mean- take the Nuggets- a team that has consitently been, for the most part- in the middle- the worst place to be in the NBA.

The Cavs did what was smart- realized the cupboard was bare- and tanked, added tons of extra draft picks by renting out their cap space, taking on bad contracts. etc.

and then you have a total failure of an organization like the Nuggets who is just content to be in the middle- the worst place to be- practically in perpetuity.

the Cavs were smart- stripped it the studs, gathered a ton of high lotto picks, and went from there- and were buoyed by being the biggest spender in the league

the Sixers much the same- realized the cupboard was bare- tanked- rented out their cap space, got a ton of high draft picks- and now they are in great shape with Simmons and Embiid going forward


seems to me like that is a better and smarter way to go then being perpetually mediocre and winning 2 playoff series in a 25 year time span. LOL

its not bad luck when you win 2 playoff series in 25 years- thats total abject incompetence.

 

[lebron23james]

Teh Cavs got the Kyrie pick because of Gilbert's deep pockets.

plus- the Cavs front office knew that the best way to win in the NBA is to tank and gather those high picks.

I mean- take the Nuggets- a team that has consitently been, for the most part- in the middle- the worst place to be in the NBA.

The Cavs did what was smart- realized the cupboard was bare- and tanked, added tons of extra draft picks by renting out their cap space, taking on bad contracts. etc.

and then you have a total failure of an organization like the Nuggets who is just content to be in the middle- the worst place to be- practically in perpetuity.

the Cavs were smart- stripped it the studs, gathered a ton of high lotto picks, and went from there- and were buoyed by being the biggest spender in the league

the Sixers much the same- realized the cupboard was bare- tanked- rented out their cap space, got a ton of high draft picks- and now they are in great shape with Simmons and Embiid going forward


seems to me like that is a better and smarter way to go then being perpetually mediocre and winning 2 playoff series in a 25 year time span. LOL

Actually the Kyrie pick was a stroke of genius. The management traded old Baron Davis to the Clippers for that pick. That pick happened to land #1. The Cavs great move is the reason lottery picks are always protected now. The Clippers are the example of the team of what not to do. @Mecca

The management played it perfectly. I mean outside of this clown, most people view 4 finals and 1 championship successful. Would i have liked more sure? But like i said, timing is also important and the Cavs ran into a team that won 73 games and then added Durant. Timing and luck also play a role in dynasties. Not sure what this kid can't understand tbh

 

[WiggyRuss]

Actually the Kyrie pick was a stroke of genius. The management traded Baron Davis to the Clippers for that pick. That pick happened to land #1. The Cavs great move is the reason lottery picks are always protected now. The Clippers are the example of the team what not to do.

yah after taking Baron Davis' bad contract from the Clippers the league basically adjusted and there are rarely if ever trades of unprotected picks- you are exactly right.


Cavs were smart- stripped it to the studs, took on bad contracts like Baron Davis, Luke Walton, Maurice Speights, Wayne Ellington, etc. for extra picks.

They made it so when LeBron was a free agent he had a stud young player already on the team in Kyrie, and had the draft capital to trade for another stud in his prime- Kevin Love.

the rest is history.

The Cavs, in one season, won more playoff series than the Nuggets in 25 years. lol

think about that- seriously think about that. Its almost funny if it was just not so fucking sad on the Nuggets part.

Its HARD to win only 2 playoff series in 25 years in the NBA. You have to be a special brand of incompetent.

 

[lebron23james]

yah after taking Baron Davis' bad contract from the Clippers the league basically adjusted and there are rarely if ever trades of unprotected picks- you are exactly right.


Cavs were smart- stripped it to the studs, took on bad contracts like Baron Davis, Luke Walton, Maurice Speights, Wayne Ellington, etc. for extra picks.

They made it so when LeBron was a free agent he had a stud young player already on the team in Kyrie, and had the draft capital to trade for another stud in his prime- Kevin Love.

the rest is history.

The Cavs, in one season, won more playoff series than the Nuggets in 25 years. lol

think about that- seriously think about that. Its almost funny if it was just not so fucking sad on the Nuggets part.

Its HARD to win only 2 playoff series in 25 years in the NBA. You have to be a special brand of incompetent.

I guess you could say they didn't draft very well lol

 

[WiggyRuss]

I guess you could say they didn't draft very well lol

they just were not run well

how bad do yo uhave to be to win 2 playoff series in 25 years?

I mean thats tough to do...just throwing darts at the dart board youd think youd win a playoff series more than once every decade. lol

 

[lebron23james]

they just were not run well

how bad do yo uhave to be to win 2 playoff series in 25 years?

I mean thats tough to do...just throwing darts at the dart board youd think youd win a playoff series more than once every decade. lol

The Cavs moves is what got them Lebron back even after clowning him in that letter and never really apologizing.

The funniest part of his argument is he says the Cavs got multiple picks in a row. Well the lakers got 3 #2 overall picks in a row (15,16,17) and landed Ball, Ingram and Dangelo Russell...I would take Kyrie, TT, Wiggins over that. Out of those 6 only 1 is a true superstar

The Cavs injuries in year 1 didn't help. I still think they would have had 2 if they stayed healthy, but i am not greedy lol

 

[Rockinkuwait]

So is it the Cavs drafted badly how did they manage to win? You seem confused.

Let's see . How were those drafts doing for them without LeBron? 4-20 record when he sat. Playing for the first pick in the draft right up to the moment he signed with them. A half game out of last in the NBA the second he left.

What about those picks as a whole do you like? Irving...

Simply put.

What franchises have turned that level of picks (3 1sts and 2 4ths) into less talent?

Or what 4 years in the history of the league has a 1/4, 4, 1, and 1 in the draft, come up with less talent?

And if you can't find those things, can't find a worse pickup of talent across the entire league through it's entire history, why is it wrong to call that bad?

 

[Rockinkuwait]

The Cavs moves is what got them Lebron back even after clowning him in that letter and never really apologizing.

The funniest part of his argument is he says the Cavs got multiple picks in a row. Well the lakers got 3 #2 overall picks in a row (15,16,17) and landed Ball, Ingram and Dangelo Russell...I would take Kyrie, TT, Wiggins over that. Out of those 6 only 1 is a true superstar

The Cavs injuries in year 1 didn't help. I still think they would have had 2 if they stayed healthy, but i am not greedy lol

No it wasn't. Cleveland is what got LeBron back. Period. Put that roster in any city outside of LA or NY and he's not going.


Let's do the Lakers last 5 top four picks if you want... Ball, Ingram, Russell, worthy, magic. Now add LeBron. You are really saying you put Irving over magic, tt over worthy? Come on man. That can't be your defense.

 

[lebron23james]

Let's see . How were those drafts doing for them without LeBron? 4-20 record when he sat. Playing for the first pick in the draft right up to the moment he signed with them. A half game out of last in the NBA the second he left.

What about those picks as a whole do you like? Irving...

Simply put.

What franchises have turned that level of picks (3 1sts and 2 4ths) into less talent?

Or what 4 years in the history of the league has a 1/4, 4, 1, and 1 in the draft, come up with less talent?

And if you can't find those things, can't find a worse pickup of talent across the entire league through it's entire history, why is it wrong to call that bad?

Because that wasn't the original argument. You have been moving the goal posts desperately i will add. Your argument has been exposed ad nauseam already by other posters but it looks like it goes in one ear and out the other

Kyrie and Love sat in games that lebron played in so your 4-20 quote has already been proven false as fake news. Not to mention the fact that the team was custom built specifically around Lebron so they had to change the entire style of play for the games lebron wasn't in and the players weren't use to that...

You still don't get it. It's a combination of drafting, trading and signing players. The Cavs made 4 finals and won a championship from all of their moves. That is not what anyone except you would consider bad management...Let that sink in...

 

[lebron23james]

No it wasn't. Cleveland is what got LeBron back. Period. Put that roster in any city outside of LA or NY and he's not going.


Let's do the Lakers last 5 top four picks if you want... Ball, Ingram, Russell, worthy, magic. Now add LeBron. You are really saying you put Irving over magic, tt over worthy? Come on man. That can't be your defense.

Lets see the lakers had 2 great great picks with Magic and Worthy

The Cavs had 2 great great picks with Lebron and Kyrie

Both seem good to me. not sure where you are going with this again tbh lol