SportsHoopla: All In Favor....

[WizardHawk]

6-8 is fine. No need to dilute the system but its fucking criminal that you have situations where a conference champion is left out because they didn't pass the eye test as one of the "best 4"

You could go to 12 and UW wouldn't have belonged in a playoff.

Seriously, this is the posterchid season for why expansion and doing auto anything fails.

 

[WizardHawk]

Tell me how March Madness is not better than the CFP

You want to compare a sport that has 6-8 real players per team and where even fairly poor schools with little resources can seriously compete to what major college football is?

Why don't we just start randomly picking other sports. Maybe we need promotion and relegation like euro pussy football.

 

[jwolt92]

You want to compare a sport that has 6-8 real players per team and where even fairly poor schools with little resources can seriously compete to what major college football is?

Why don't we just start randomly picking other sports. Maybe we need promotion and relegation like euro pussy football.

That's what I compared because... their argument was how the expansion of the NCAA basketball tournament watered down the competition.

Try harder

 

[WizardHawk]

That's what I compared because... their argument was how the expansion of the NCAA basketball tournament watered down the competition.

Try harder

College basketball plays a fuck ton of games and has quick turnaround between games. It sets up for a large tournament. You can't turn round ball into football.

Try harder.

 

[jwolt92]

College basketball plays a fuck ton of games and has quick turnaround between games. It sets up for a large tournament. You can't turn round ball into football.

Try harder.

I wasn't the one who brought up college basketball originally. The argument was "college basketball has watered down their tournament" and I would argue that the NCAAB tournament is still significantly more exciting than the CFB playoff

 

[WizardHawk]

I wasn't the one who brought up college basketball originally. The argument was "college basketball has watered down their tournament" and I would argue that the NCAAB tournament is still significantly more exciting than the CFB playoff

To those that like that sport, sure. I don't gamble or do boards so I really don't watch any of it until the final 4 and that's if I'm not doing something else.

Doesn't change the fact these are two different sports and you can't just copy one and make it work elsewhere.

For one BIG thing, the power of the individual schools in football is off the charts higher than basketball. They don't collectively want this bloated playoff. They want the money they have rolling in now.

 

[jwolt92]

To those that like that sport, sure. I don't gamble or do boards so I really don't watch any of it until the final 4 and that's if I'm not doing something else.

Doesn't change the fact these are two different sports and you can't just copy one and make it work elsewhere.

For one BIG thing, the power of the individual schools in football is off the charts higher than basketball. They don't collectively want this bloated playoff. They want the money they have rolling in now.

To each their own.

But without looking it up, I would say that the NCAAB tournament has a much higher rating than the CFB playoff.

This is also not me saying I would declare the CFB playoff needs to expand, but saying "basketball expanded and it's watered down now" is a terrible argument

 

[WizardHawk]

To each their own.

But without looking it up, I would say that the NCAAB tournament has a much higher rating than the CFB playoff.

This is also not me saying I would declare the CFB playoff needs to expand, but saying "basketball expanded and it's watered down now" is a terrible argument

I have no idea what specifically they bitched about in basketball, but I doubt it was anything about hurting the feel of what is already a long, boring, not much watched regular season.

It's not about diluting the playoff itself, it's about making it so teams don't really have to care about 2 losses, or even 3. Just suck less than the others around you like UW and their 3 loss championship this year. It's ugly watered down football pretending a few end of season games that are supposed to be dream matchups and probably will be just as bad as many of these playoffs now that impact the real part of the sport that makes it so much more special than any other on earth.

Stop trying to fucking ruin football for the rest of us.

 

[NU_FTW]

Tell me how March Madness is not better than the CFP

Ill address this one. Basketball isnt a real sport

FOOTBALL is THEEE SPORT.

 

[4down20]

This is not a playoff. It is an Invitational. The only way the committee will get "The 4 very best football teams in America" is to pick at least 8 teams.

Will there be blowouts? Sure.
Will there be upsets? Occasionally.
Will it lessen the controversy? Probably not.

Is it needed? No.

And it's a playoff. You weren't "invited" because you were a team who got blown out by a shitty team. You know, legit reasons.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Tell me how March Madness is not better than the CFP

This.

You get people who give two shits about sports interested in college basketball for at least a weekend.

 

[HuskerinBig10]

Doesn't look like team 3 and team 4 can compete with Alabama or Clemson. Why expand it? Will team 5, 6, 7, or 8 be able to compete with Alabama or Clemson? Nope.

So, basically, we want to expand it so team 3 through team 8 can say they are in the playoff, and still lose.

Although, I am in favor of expanding if that means some bowl games go away, otherwise, bowl games start allowing teams with 4-8 records in pretty soon. Then 3-9..........

then participation trophies for everyone.

 

[uncfan103]

This is not a playoff. It is an Invitational. The only way the committee will get "The 4 very best football teams in America" is to pick at least 8 teams.

Will there be blowouts? Sure.
Will there be upsets? Occasionally.
Will it lessen the controversy? Probably not.

The playoff isn't about determining the four best. It's about crowning the best. Only one year has the 4 team playoff left out a team with an argument to be the best, and a lot of people don't think they had a leg to stand on with their argument. So...I think we're doing just fine with 4.

 

[uncfan103]

Tell me how March Madness is not better than the CFP

March Madness is without a doubt better than the CFP. But, college basketball regular season is absolutely meaningless for over half the teams. College basketball doesn't really start until the conference tournaments. As soon as the regular season ends every single team is still playing for a National Championship and it doesn't matter if you won all of your regular season games or zero. College football is better than College basketball

 

[rmilia1]

Just remember the arguments that caused it to expand to 4. 2 is not enough. The #3 team surely deserved a shot. They have morphed to. 4 is not enough. The number 5 or 6 team deserved a shot. Then once you expand to 8 the argument will become. 8 is not enough the number 9 or 10 team clearly deserved a shot.

This is how you water a championship process down and it happened in NCAA basketball.

Except the NCAA tournament is FARRRR more popular than the CFB playoff . So not sure what your premise here is

 

[huskers1217]

Call it what it really is, the BCS 2.0!

WRONG WRONG WRONG

At least the BCS had some computer element. not just biased people jerking off in a room

 

[Droopdog51]

Doesn't look like team 3 and team 4 can compete with Alabama or Clemson. Why expand it? Will team 5, 6, 7, or 8 be able to compete with Alabama or Clemson? Nope.

So, basically, we want to expand it so team 3 through team 8 can say they are in the playoff, and still lose.

Although, I am in favor of expanding if that means some bowl games go away, otherwise, bowl games start allowing teams with 4-8 records in pretty soon. Then 3-9..........

then participation trophies for everyone.

That is asuming that there are going to be 2 dominate teams every year. Didn't Ohio State win it all as the #4 seed a few years ago?

I would not have problem with 6 teams. #3-#6 play the 1st week to see who gets to go against the top 2. I'm definately not a OSU fan, but who's to say they couldn't have got their act together and at the very least given Clemson a better game than ND? Maybe UGA would have "wanted to be there" and beat OU.

At the very least, we get 2 more potentially good games in the first week and possibly better games the next.

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

Just remember the arguments that caused it to expand to 4. 2 is not enough. The #3 team surely deserved a shot. They have morphed to. 4 is not enough. The number 5 or 6 team deserved a shot. Then once you expand to 8 the argument will become. 8 is not enough the number 9 or 10 team clearly deserved a shot.

I hear this argument a lot, the ol "slippery slope," but at a certain point it defies logic. 2 lead to 4 and 4 might lead to 8, sure, but I doubt it would just keep going forever. Most reasonable people would never claim "#16 deserves a shot!" when the #16 team in the nation is usually a third- or even fourth-place finisher with 3 or 4 losses.

I'm not voting in the poll because my feet hurt, but my feeling is that they shouldn't expand, yet they eventually will. However, we've all heard for years about how expanding the season is bad because they don't want college teams playing 16-game seasons. So my guess is that they would cap it at 8, which would allow all the CCG winners AND the next best 2-3 teams (depending on what Notre Dame does)

 

[Hawk2916]

There is normally no argument about who are the top 8 teams. The argument comes from 4-6 or 4-8. So having 8 teams eliminates the issue

 

[7Samurai13]

I hear this argument a lot, the ol "slippery slope," but at a certain point it defies logic. 2 lead to 4 and 4 might lead to 8, sure, but I doubt it would just keep going forever. Most reasonable people would never claim "#16 deserves a shot!" when the #16 team in the nation is usually a third- or even fourth-place finisher with 3 or 4 losses.

I'm not voting in the poll because my feet hurt, but my feeling is that they shouldn't expand, yet they eventually will. However, we've all heard for years about how expanding the season is bad because they don't want college teams playing 16-game seasons. So my guess is that they would cap it at 8, which would allow all the CCG winners AND the next best 2-3 teams (depending on what Notre Dame does)

It’s not people saying #16 deserves a shot, it’s people saying every conference champion deserves a shot. An 8 team playoff would have excluded Washington this year and people would have cried about how dare they leave a conference champ out and ignore the 3 losses.

A lot of people are arguing that the top G5 team should always get an automatic bid to the playoffs so you are often going to get a team outside of the top 8 in there because a G5, regardless of record and schedule, should always be in the playoffs.