Ole Miss QB Shae Patterson transferring to MI?

[7Samurai13]

Tell us how you really feel.

I’m sick of the constant excuses that Michigan fans make for why it’s ok Harbaugh has failed to deliver.

 

[RobBase]

So will this stop Michigan fans from saying Harbaugh has to get his own players in or did we just restart the clock and have to hear that excuse for another three years?

Imagine the bowl they'll put us in if we actually become a good team.

 

[navamind]

I’m sick of the constant excuses that Michigan fans make for why it’s ok Harbaugh has failed to deliver.

And I'm sick of people that are incapable of grasping the fact that Michigan returned 5 starters and this was going to be a rebuilding year.

Try posting about MSU for once.

 

[7Samurai13]

Imagine the bowl they'll put us in if we actually become a good team.

Maybe you will actually play a decent team.

 

[7Samurai13]

And I'm sick of people that are incapable of grasping the fact that Michigan returned 5 starters and this was going to be a rebuilding year.

Try posting about MSU for once.

Nobody gives a shit about Michigan State so it makes it tough to talk about them.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Nobody gives a shit about Michigan State so it makes it tough to talk about them.

Your just now figuring this out?

 

[7Samurai13]

Your just now figuring this out?

No, I’m not an idiot. But it seems like Michigan fans think by constantly deflecting to Michigan State makes it ok that they choked away their best chance to win the conference since 2006, last year. You are repeating the same shit that you did under Hoke with “wait til he get’s his guys in there” and the program to an expected step back this year. And next year the excuse will be that it’s a first year starting quarterback and there will be a new excuse the year after that.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

I’m sick of the constant excuses that Michigan fans make for why it’s ok Harbaugh has failed to deliver.

What did you expect in year 3 (with only two recruiting classes)? The one glaring issue UM has had is QB.

They returned 1 starter on defense and had a defense filled with freshman and sophomore’s — and they finished with a top 3 defense.

The offense is where we struggled and it goes back to one position. QB. You aren’t going to hit on every recruit. Would it have been great if Peters came in as a true freshman and tore it up? Absolutely. Would it have been great if Peters could have won the starting job this year and excelled? Absolutely. He has shown he has the talent, but struggled with the playbook. I won’t even bring McCaffrey up, as the kid looked like a stick figure coming out of high school, so I knew he wasn’t playing as a true freshman.

I’d think a team who watched Maxwell destroy an entire season for MSU would understand that the one position you can’t miss on, unless you are Alabama, is QB.

I don’t care where we get the QB from, whether it is McCaffrey, Peters or Patterson. If UM can get an above average QB, we’d be dangerous. Until then, we are a team who will play solid defense with an offense that will live and die by the run.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

I’m sick of the constant excuses that Michigan fans make for why it’s ok Harbaugh has failed to deliver.

Honestly, Harbaugh has delivered. He could lose to MSU and OSU for the next 5 years and I'd still be OK with 10-ish win seasons. I've learned my lesson for wishing Lloyd away.

As far as I'm concerned, getting an elite QB like this doesn't come around very often -- so do it. If anything, it should seal next year's season in as a good one. I'm also fine with Peters/McCaffrey but there's still somewhat of an unknown there.

Under Harbaugh, I'm confident our time is coming.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

No, I’m not an idiot. But it seems like Michigan fans think by constantly deflecting to Michigan State makes it ok that they choked away their best chance to win the conference since 2006, last year. You are repeating the same shit that you did under Hoke with “wait til he get’s his guys in there” and the program to an expected step back this year. And next year the excuse will be that it’s a first year starting quarterback and there will be a new excuse the year after that.

Also, if he gets some of these kids they will be "his players". Most will have multiple years of eligibility left. I think there's some legitimate arguments based on the roster as to why Harbaugh's first three years went the way they did. It's hard not to look at this year, who comes back and be excited for next year (and that's without these Ole Miss players).

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

No, I’m not an idiot. But it seems like Michigan fans think by constantly deflecting to Michigan State makes it ok that they choked away their best chance to win the conference since 2006, last year. You are repeating the same shit that you did under Hoke with “wait til he get’s his guys in there” and the program to an expected step back this year. And next year the excuse will be that it’s a first year starting quarterback and there will be a new excuse the year after that.

Remember when you were harping about the top recruiting classes Harbaugh inherited his first two years. Those guys were gone this year. We had to replace 17 starters. Michigan wouldnhave has to hit on every single recruit they brought in the last two years to be really good this year and one of them had to be Peters.

Instead, we had 3 different QB’s start 3 or more games. We had over half of our starters being true freshman or true sophomores. And the only WR who proved he could get open consistently (Tarik Black) broke his foot three games into the year. So the guy who I said I didn’t think would see the field (Grant Perry) led our WR’s with like 275 yards.

For UM’s offense to be why it can be — you have to have a QB who can throw the ball down field. Speight was able to do that his first year and UM was scoring a ton of points. Then Iowa happened where he was injured and he never looked the same.

I called 9-3 for this year. I didn’t think we’d lose to MSU, but on the road at UW and on the road at PSU, and OSU — I thought we’d lose. I didn’t expect to be blown out by PSU, but at the same time, I didn’t expect to have a chance to beat OSU.

As much as I’d like to think UM could beat anyone with a mediocre QB — it isn’t happening. They need to a big time QB just like every other program not named Bama.

 

[7Samurai13]

Also, if he gets some of these kids they will be "his players". Most will have multiple years of eligibility left. I think there's some legitimate arguments based on the roster as to why Harbaugh's first three years went the way they did. It's hard not to look at this year, who comes back and be excited for next year (and that's without these Ole Miss players).

So why was OKorn not one of his guys, but these guys will be his guys?

 

[7Samurai13]

Remember when you were harping about the top recruiting classes Harbaugh inherited his first two years. Those guys were gone this year. We had to replace 17 starters. Michigan wouldnhave has to hit on every single recruit they brought in the last two years to be really good this year and one of them had to be Peters.

Instead, we had 3 different QB’s start 3 or more games. We had over half of our starters being true freshman or true sophomores. And the only WR who proved he could get open consistently (Tarik Black) broke his foot three games into the year. So the guy who I said I didn’t think would see the field (Grant Perry) led our WR’s with like 275 yards.

For UM’s offense to be why it can be — you have to have a QB who can throw the ball down field. Speight was able to do that his first year and UM was scoring a ton of points. Then Iowa happened where he was injured and he never looked the same.

I called 9-3 for this year. I didn’t think we’d lose to MSU, but on the road at UW and on the road at PSU, and OSU — I thought we’d lose. I didn’t expect to be blown out by PSU, but at the same time, I didn’t expect to have a chance to beat OSU.

As much as I’d like to think UM could beat anyone with a mediocre QB — it isn’t happening. They need to a big time QB just like every other program not named Bama.

Remember when you said those guys all sucked and were busts and were replacing them with better players that had plenty of experience and it was addition by subtraction?

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

So why was OKorn not one of his guys, but these guys will be his guys?

OKorn was one of hsi guys. He was just bad. There's a reason OKorn never won the starting job.

 

[4down20]

@ Michigan "upgrading" by taking Ole Miss players.

 

[7Samurai13]

@ Michigan "upgrading" by taking Ole Miss players.

Well Ole Miss does pay top dollar for their players, so...

 

[4down20]

Well Ole Miss does pay top dollar for their players, so...

I guess Harbaugh thinks it's Costco. Gotta buy a 7 pack.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Remember when you said those guys all sucked and were busts and were replacing them with better players that had plenty of experience and it was addition by subtraction?

Huh? UM has had two full recruiting classes by Harbaugh. Where was the ‘experience’ going to come from? We were replacing 17 starters. The one part of the team I said we wouldn’t see a drop off is the defensive line, because Winovich, Gary and Hurst were returning. I’d say I was spot on with that — as they combined for like 20 sacks and 40 TFL. The rest of our team was going to be first time starters with next to no experience.

And the addition by subtraction comment I made is getting rid of the leftover players from Hoke classes. We’ve already had a half dozen guys announce they are transferring out since the OSU game. All Hoke recruits. The reason why — we only had like enough for 15 incoming recruits in our next class — by the time it is said and done, I’d bet my life we end up with 23-25.

That is how teams like Bama, OSU, etc. simply reload. They have full rosters of recruits they’ve brought in, they take the 3rd and 4th year guys and sprinkle in the top freshman and sophomores each year. The top guys leave and you rinse and repeat.

UM doesn’t have that right now.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Well, it's official:

 

[7Samurai13]

Well, it's official:

So who transfers first, Peters or McCaffery?