So where has Crowder gone??

[gkekoa]

Most likely the teams. But that would be with information from him that something hurts. Now mind you I would never suggest that a player gut through it if they are really injured and risk making it worse. But you also got to remember one of my favorite current players, did an entire college season on a rebuilt knee that e had fixed on Monday, started the game saturday and never missed a game. So Im a bit biased when it comes to the whole Im hurt so I can practice thing.

I understand but he is a young guy that was hurting. The team knew because the doctor asked and they said don't practice. You can't blame the player for that.

 

[ehb5]

Answer is actually much easier than one would think.

Much like a Wes Welker, some guys are just born to play the slot. Moving Crowder out to the X or Y position has drastically hurt his production. If and when Pryor and Dropctson can get up to speed and be the X and Y starters, I dont expect to see the Crowder we were all hoping for.

If those gys can get up to speed, and Crowder goes back into his natural slot position, we might see the Crowder that had us all excited last year.

Strongly disagree. I think Crowders legit. I think he's banged up more than anything.

 

[skinsdad62]

crowder has been hurt a lot this year as well . hammy and hipinjuries since mid pre season

reed doesnt look healthy nor does crowder

but our wrs need to produce

 

[ehb5]

Pryor is the WR we should be worried about

 

[Sharkinva]

I understand but he is a young guy that was hurting. The team knew because the doctor asked and they said don't practice. You can't blame the player for that.

At what point does a guy NOT being able to practice for the better part of a year fall on the player?? HOnest question there??

I get it if a guy tweaks something in a game, or even in practice. But come on man, we are 4 games into his second season, and he has yet to have a single week where he could even participate in practice fully. Either its poor conditioning, or planned slacking.

 

[Sharkinva]

Pryor is the WR we should be worried about

I honestly think Pryor is still adjusting. Crowder has been banged up a bit, but still practices and plays at as full a speed as he can go..

Mean while over on the back lot field

 

[skinz2winz]

Last season Pryor started fairly slow as well. 19 rec, 290 yrds, 1 TD through 4 games. Started to heat up week 6 but only had 2 rec, 18 yrds in week 7. His second half was much better.
Of coarse this year he has 13 rec, 186 yrds, 1 TD.

I'm concerned but not worried yet. I truly believe he will trend upward in the coming weeks.

 

[gkekoa]

Last season Pryor started fairly slow as well. 19 rec, 290 yrds, 1 TD through 4 games. Started to heat up week 6 but only had 2 rec, 18 yrds in week 7. His second half was much better.
Of coarse this year he has 13 rec, 186 yrds, 1 TD.

I'm concerned but not worried yet. I truly believe he will trend upward in the coming weeks.

I expect TP could struggle a good portion of the season in this offense because he is still a baby as a WR. Timing is not something that is quickly learned from all athletes.

 

[gkekoa]

At what point does a guy NOT being able to practice for the better part of a year fall on the player?? HOnest question there??

I get it if a guy tweaks something in a game, or even in practice. But come on man, we are 4 games into his second season, and he has yet to have a single week where he could even participate in practice fully. Either its poor conditioning, or planned slacking.

Fair enough. I am not sure when he has practiced and when he hasn't.

 

[Sharkinva]

Fair enough. I am not sure when he has practiced and when he hasn't.

Tandler is usually pretty good with the daily practice reports through out the year. The days Josh Doctson wasnt reported as individual drills or working with trainers was a shock.

 

[ehb5]

I honestly think Pryor is still adjusting. Crowder has been banged up a bit, but still practices and plays at as full a speed as he can go..

Mean while over on the back lot field

While I agree doctsons injuries have been annoying as all hell I still think he's more willing to play physically than Pryor. At this point I'd rather have him out there (at least a little bit more).

 

[Niner Outlaw]

Last season Pryor started fairly slow as well. 19 rec, 290 yrds, 1 TD through 4 games. Started to heat up week 6 but only had 2 rec, 18 yrds in week 7. His second half was much better.
Of coarse this year he has 13 rec, 186 yrds, 1 TD.

I'm concerned but not worried yet. I truly believe he will trend upward in the coming weeks.

Pryor came to the Skins on a steal of a deal. He was worth the gamble, but I wouldn't say he started slow and then got "much better" last year. In 2016, he had 532 yards and 3TDs in his first 8 games and 475yds and 1TD in his last 8 games.

Yes, his first 4 games were 19 catches for 290 yards and 1 TD, but his last 4 games totaled up only 15 catches for 152 yards and 0 TDs. The truth is that Pryor's resume last year was based entirely on 5 games--in the other 11, he averaged a mere 40 yards receiving per game.

It'll definitley turn around for one of your WRs in a couple of weeks. Just wait until ya'll play San Fran b/c the Niners crappy secondary guarantees that at least one of the Skins WRs will have a huge day.

 

[Stymietee]

Perhaps Gruden will evaluate AR's play calling and get a little more creative with his mundane play calling. KC used Hunt, Hill and Kelce to the fullest. Why? Because that is their bread & butter. What is our bread & butter? Right now its Reed & Crowder however, it seems they were limited Monday night. Was it because the KC defense simply stifled and blanketed these two players? Hmmm, I doubt it.

Let's not forget C. Thompson, who has been the team MVP going into the Kansas City game.

 

[Breed]

Perhaps Gruden will evaluate AR's play calling and get a little more creative with his mundane play calling. KC used Hunt, Hill and Kelce to the fullest. Why? Because that is their bread & butter. What is our bread & butter? Right now its Reed & Crowder however, it seems they were limited Monday night. Was it because the KC defense simply stifled and blanketed these two players? Hmmm, I doubt it.

Reed n Chowder as our bread n butter? Homey you're gonna have to show your work far as how you came to that answer as I'm not seeing it.

They have 28 receptions between them, 14 a piece, 211 total yards, 105 for Reed, 106 for JC. Both are averaging 7.5 yards a catch. JC has 6 1st dn catches, Reed has 5 1st dn catches and neither has scored, tho JC could have 2 TDs. He does have 3 fumbles already and he's averaging less than 5 yards on his pt ret.

That's not bread n butter, that's wandering in the desert drinking your own urine. Our bread n butter has been Chris Thompson and Cap'n Kirk. thus far. With some nice guest starring roles for Vernon Davis and Ryan "Bet you're glad he wasn't cut the last couple years now" Grant.

 

[Breed]

Drop or not, Josh Doctson needs to play more for the Redskins

Decent article. I think it is being fair to state that on the missed TD you see both the best & worst of Doctson all at the same time. No reason to stop going to him in the next few games. Let's challenge him & see how he responds.

I must've missed the see the best and worst of Doctson all at the same time portion of the article. I'll will co-sign everything said below though.

Doctson didn't make the catch, but he didn't drop the ball either.

To call that play a drop is unfair to the effort put forth by the wideout, and the incredible degreee of difficulty that play required. Be clear though, it was a catchable ball, and a good throw from Cousins.

Not all things are binary. Could Doctson have made the play? Absolutely. He nearly did. Should he have made that play? Few players can, or do. In only his sixth NFL game, Doctson almost did.

The second-year wideout from TCU needs to be on the field more for the Redskins. He's proven that. After the first quarter of the season, Doctson has logged less snaps than Terrelle Pryor, Jamison Crowder and Ryan Grant. Against the Chiefs, Doctson was out there for just 17 snaps. Pryor, who caught his first TD with the Redskins in the first half, logged 43 snaps.

Doctson has gifts. The Redskins need to use them.

With more opportunities, perhaps the debate won't center on drops, but catches

 

[Breed]

Come now, thats a fan view if i ever saw one.

Doctoson and Pryor havent earned the QBs trust. IM not saying he will avoid them. But until Pryor can start running clean routes, and Doctson can actually at minimum PRACTICE with the team, they are not Kirks primary targets. Cause lets face it, the next week Doctson has a full week of practice with no Achilllies, hamstring or other ailments that hold him to limited practice, will be the first week since he was drafted where he wasnt limited in practice in some form. So unless Gruden starts to force it with the play calling, as in two WRs a RB a FB and a blocking TE on a designed pass play, Im just not seeing as to where Kirk is going to force it into either of them. Because they havent earned that level of trust yet.

Have you shown any evidence that Doctson isn't practicing or is hurt as you've claimed numerous times?

Pryor leads the team in targets with 24, Thompson is next with 21 and JC and Reed tied for 3rd with 19. Last Monday night, Reed with open with a good step on his defender, who he beat pretty much at the LOS on the 3rd dn play to Doctson. Open with a step and it would've been an easier, safer, higher percentage throw to make to Reed on that play.

Pryor along with Reed were the 2 most targeted players by Cuz against KC with 5 each, followed by Grant, Doctson and Vernon Davis with 3 targets each. JC got 1 target. And as Cuz went to Doctson on the the game's biggest play.

I'm not sayin you don't know what the fuck you're talkin about with this lack of trust thing Kirk supposedly has in Pryor and Doctson. You're handling that like a champ all on your own. And look at it like this. Now you can start spreading that Gruden is making Kirk throw to Doctson and Pryor bullshit in full force.

I'm not privy to the awesome inside dope you seem to think you are, but maybe, just maybe, Kirk has more trust in Pryor and Doctson than you think. Probably due to all that practice time Doctson isn't getting due to hurting himself again in the KC game I would imagine.

 

[Breed]

Who was it that made mention of Kelley running the wrong way on his goal line carry from the 2 yd ln? SoCal? Sportser? Whoever it was when I first saw your comment. I thought back to a re[play I saw on game night.

It looked like Kelley ran between the guard center gap and the guard tackle gap looked to be the much better choice.....until I saw the play again Tuesday.

Good grief Kelley didn't just screw the pooch on that play. He performed unspeakable acts on the pooch, the cat and a ferret on the play. Had he merely followed BS. He could back pedaled into the end-zone after smokin a cigarette.

If we can ever get to the point where we stop sticking our head in our ass at critical points in the game. We may actually be a team to contend with come playoff time. As it stands right now though. We continue to be our own worst enemy.

 

[Sharkinva]

Have you shown any evidence that Doctson isn't practicing or is hurt as you've claimed numerous times

Check the practice report or the team report done by Tandler on the daily bro. I know you obviously think Im being hard on the kid or didnt like the pick. But the history is there, Doctson is usually listed as limited or day to day in practice. And has not taken part in off season programs except to rehab and class work.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Who was it that made mention of Kelley running the wrong way on his goal line carry from the 2 yd ln? SoCal? Sportser? Whoever it was when I first saw your comment. I thought back to a re[play I saw on game night.

It looked like Kelley ran between the guard center gap and the guard tackle gap looked to be the much better choice.....until I saw the play again Tuesday.

Good grief Kelley didn't just screw the pooch on that play. He performed unspeakable acts on the pooch, the cat and a ferret on the play. Had he merely followed BS. He could back pedaled into the end-zone after smokin a cigarette.

If we can ever get to the point where we stop sticking our head in our ass at critical points in the game. We may actually be a team to contend with come playoff time. As it stands right now though. We continue to be our own worst enemy.

It was Casserly who made that pt. in the link that I provided in my response. He was dead on w/ his analysis - Kelley should have had an easy TD - hopefully he learns from this & doesn't make the same mistake again.

Similar pt for the play Casserly noted about Kerrigan. He bull rushed his way up the middle (which sometimes results in success) & effectively took himself out of the play & allowed Alex Smith to extend the play & make a key big gain & 1st down. Defensive players are going to have to be more disciplined (& they have been for the most part this season).

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Check the practice report or the team report done by Tandler on the daily bro. I know you obviously think Im being hard on the kid or didnt like the pick. But the history is there, Doctson is usually listed as limited or day to day in practice. And has not taken part in off season programs except to rehab and class work.

Most recent injury reports show no mention of Doctson possibly missing any time. The only key injuries at this time I believe are for Norman & Trent Williams. However you don't really get good injury reports during a bye week.