YES!!!!!!

[Black Adam]

LOL, yeah a guy is either right, or he's married.

true...

my 32nd anni is on the 29th. she's a hard worker, keeps a good house, even does our taxes...

that woman DESPERATELY needs me...

 

[True Lakers Fan]

true...

my 32nd anni is on the 29th. she's a hard worker, keeps a good house, even does our taxes...

that woman DESPERATELY needs me...

Do you realize that Christmas is already right around the corner?

 

[tlance]

I disagree. I don't think Oladipo or Sabonis will be as good as Clarkson or Randle and I'm not sure they'll be better than the guys the Lakers got with their picks.

I know you're pretty high on Oladipo, but I'm not sold on him. I don't think Westbrook is entirely to blame for how he performed last year.

Time all tell on Dipo.

Do you think that Lakers package would have made Indy demonstrably better? Would it have made them bad enough to be in the bottom 5?

Both packages place the Pacers in NBA purgatory which is why I hate them equally. Maybe with your package would have given the Pacers a couple extra wins, maybe not. Neither yield last the top of high upside future assets the Pacers should have been seeking. Neither package improves their outlook.

Had they made that Lakers deal, I think people would have said the exact same things. The only difference is that people may have assumed the Pacers had no better alternative.

 

[tlance]

Yeah, Clarkson came off the bench and had numbers virtually identical to Oladipo. So, the Pacers could have had a player every bit as good as Oladipo, plus Randle and this years late first rounders.

That's better than just Oladipo and Sabonis.

Eh.

Clarkson might be almost as good as Dipo on offense. Dipo is a good defender though too. Definitely more upside for Dipo. We really don't know what sabonis is yet either. I think he could possibly be every bit as good as Randle. Different, but similar.

I don't see either as high impact players. Neither do you, or you wouldn't have wanted the Lakers to deal them away.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Eh.

Clarkson might be almost as good as Dipo on offense. Dipo is a good defender though too. Definitely more upside for Dipo. We really don't know what sabonis is yet either. I think he could possibly be every bit as good as Randle. Different, but similar.

I don't see either as high impact players. Neither do you, or you wouldn't have wanted the Lakers to deal them away.

for once i agree with you. Oladipo is definitely a superior player to Clarkson- much better defender...better athlete...better upside

plus as i said to hurricane--- i do not think it hurt OKC's trade chances that Oladipo is a former IU product and someone the fans could root for.


Sabonis was a lotto pick just the previous year- and looked good. Unlike Randle- Sabonis has good size- hes 6' 11"- and can play both front court positions- and looks to be the makings of a solid defender. Randle is definteily better offensively though.

Sabonis is more valuable than the 2 late first rounders the Lakers offered--- ill always take the 1 lotto pick over the 2 late first rounders.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Time all tell on Dipo.

Do you think that Lakers package would have made Indy demonstrably better? Would it have made them bad enough to be in the bottom 5?

Both packages place the Pacers in NBA purgatory which is why I hate them equally. Maybe with your package would have given the Pacers a couple extra wins, maybe not. Neither yield last the top of high upside future assets the Pacers should have been seeking. Neither package improves their outlook.

Had they made that Lakers deal, I think people would have said the exact same things. The only difference is that people may have assumed the Pacers had no better alternative.

Wow--- on a roll.

I tell people the same thing--- being in the middle is the worst place to be in the NBA.......

some people would rather have their team win a few extra games though and ruin their lotto chances- even though they have no realistic shot at winning anything......incredibly dumb if you ask me.

 

[flyerhawk]

Time all tell on Dipo.

Do you think that Lakers package would have made Indy demonstrably better? Would it have made them bad enough to be in the bottom 5?

Both packages place the Pacers in NBA purgatory which is why I hate them equally. Maybe with your package would have given the Pacers a couple extra wins, maybe not. Neither yield last the top of high upside future assets the Pacers should have been seeking. Neither package improves their outlook.

Had they made that Lakers deal, I think people would have said the exact same things. The only difference is that people may have assumed the Pacers had no better alternative.

Well said and pretty much my point. Maybe the Lakers offer was better but it was hardly clear cut. And I can certainly see why Pritchard saw more upside to Oladipo/Sabonis that Randle/Clarkson and two late 1sts.

 

[trojanfan12]

LOL, yeah a guy is either right, or he's married.

FACT!!

 

[trojanfan12]

Rumor has it, huh? Maybe.

I think it is entirely possible that the Pacers rushed things. They most likely would have got something better from the Celtics as well had they waited. Not entirely sure why he felt the need to pull the trigger so quickly.

But I doubt spite was a big factor.

Yeah, definitely a rumor has it situation. It was discussed on a sports talk show out here that has really good Lakers access and is usually spot on when it comes to the Lakers, which is why I tend to believe it. But literally the next day, the Pacers took the OKC offer.

As for spite, maybe not. But the only things that seem to make sense are either panic, spite or a little of both. None of that is a good look for the Pacers.

 

[flyerhawk]

As for spite, maybe not. But the only things that seem to make sense are either panic, spite or a little of both. None of that is a good look for the Pacers.

Panic or poor judgment are far more likely causes of the trade than spite.

If the Pacers really wanted to spite George they would have sent them to the Magic or Kings. I don't see how sending them to a top 4 Western conference team is really spite.

 

[trojanfan12]

Time all tell on Dipo.

Agree and he's definitely young enough to prove me wrong.

Do you think that Lakers package would have made Indy demonstrably better? Would it have made them bad enough to be in the bottom 5?

I don't think it would have made them demonstrably better, but neither does the trade they made. What it would have done is given them a couple of young players who both have solid upside (Randle more than Clarkson at this point) and 2 first round picks. That's a pretty nice haul considering that once it was known PG wanted out, they were never going to get fair value for him.

As for bottom 5. Maybe. Hard to say since they're in the East.

Both packages place the Pacers in NBA purgatory which is why I hate them equally. Maybe with your package would have given the Pacers a couple extra wins, maybe not. Neither yield last the top of high upside future assets the Pacers should have been seeking. Neither package improves their outlook.

Had they made that Lakers deal, I think people would have said the exact same things. The only difference is that people may have assumed the Pacers had no better alternative.

Overall, the Celtics offer was the best, even if they didn't sweeten the pot. The problem with both the Lakers and OKC offers is, as you say, it puts them in NBA purgatory. But it's because they play in the East. Put that same roster in the West and they are definitely bottom 5.

The difference, imo, is that with the Lakers offer, they at least have more to build on. Whether it be because they keep the players they got and develop them or trade them for other assets. Getting Oladipo and Sabonis doesn't really do much of anything for them.

 

[trojanfan12]

I don't see either as high impact players. Neither do you, or you wouldn't have wanted the Lakers to deal them away.

Yeah, neither are high impact. I see them both as good role players on a future winning team. Clarkson is a younger Lou Williams and I see Randle as a potential Zach Randolph type. Neither is leading you to a title, but both could be nice pieces on a contending team.

For me, it's the 2 draft picks that make the difference. Sure they were late first rounders, but there's still good value there, especially if you have a decent scouting department.

 

[trojanfan12]

Panic or poor judgment are far more likely causes of the trade than spite.

If the Pacers really wanted to spite George they would have sent them to the Magic or Kings. I don't see how sending them to a top 4 Western conference team is really spite.

Any spite involved would more about making sure he didn't go to his preferred destination. But you are probably right that it was more about panic or bad judgement.

To be clear, I don't think the Lakers offer (even if it included both Randle and Clarkson) was the best offer they received. The best offer came from the Celtics. It's more that they took the worst offer they received.

Heck, if memory serves, the Cavs offered Love and I think Shump for PG. Kevin Love straight up for PG would have been better than what they got from OKC.

 

[Wamu]

LeBron @ the barbershop...

Spoiler

 

[WiggyRuss]

Yeah, neither are high impact. I see them both as good role players on a future winning team. Clarkson is a younger Lou Williams and I see Randle as a potential Zach Randolph type. Neither is leading you to a title, but both could be nice pieces on a contending team.

For me, it's the 2 draft picks that make the difference. Sure they were late first rounders, but there's still good value there, especially if you have a decent scouting department.

Zach Randolph type is pretty high praise....i dunno about that---- highly doubtful id say

. multi time all star. 5 20/10 seasons.

 

[Wamu]

 

[trojanfan12]

Zach Randolph type is pretty high praise....i dunno about that---- highly doubtful id say

. multi time all star. 5 20/10 seasons.

Zach Randolph type, not Zach Randolph. I don't know if Randle will get to 20/10, but I think he can get close. He's faster and more athletic than Z-Bo, but not the defender Z-Bo is and likely won't ever be.

Also, in today's NBA, I'm not sure Randolph would be an all-star. He'd still be really good, but the position has changed so much that I'm not sure his skills carry the same value that they did a few years ago.

 

[LogicMan]

The Pacers screwed the pooch on this whole situation. I dont feel Lakers tampered I just feel the Pacers are fools and are now crying because they got very little and they themselves could have and should have moved earlier and taken the better deals.

 

[The Oldtimer]

true...

my 32nd anni is on the 29th. she's a hard worker, keeps a good house, even does our taxes...

that woman DESPERATELY needs me...

Funny, but true.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

That one was for @Mecca since she is a fan of GOT. Pretty sure there are wizard's in GOT.

Wizards?

There are no lame ass Wizards on the GREATEST SHOW ever.

His name is the 3-eyed raven......lol