USA Today's Way-Too-Early Top 25 for 2020

[7Samurai13]

Sorry, what is "fvcking"?

It’s something special needs kids say because they are afraid of getting in trouble with their mommy.

 

[batchaps4me]

SEC fans use every excuse imaginable as to why they refuse to play their own conference members.

But none for beating everyone else … I have never seen someone make an excuse for winning.

 

[AlaskaGuy]

Great win, BTW but that was in the post season. Being in the post season does not diminish the win in any shape or form, but going into the playoff discussion was an unknown. What was known was that you lost to an 8 win Auburn and a 6 win ASU team. For the 9 conference game argument to come into play, you have to argue that this year ASU would have been that game and without it you would have been a playoff contender. The crux of the argument that @AlaskaGuy is making is that playing ASU and eight other PAC teams is somehow worse than playing UGA, LSU, Bama, the other five SEC games and an FCS team. It is purely a quality versus quantity argument without any merit. The SEC went through a period of being looked at as a weak conference … until we started winning the BCSCGs and having great OOC/bowl records.

It's a mathematical fact that conferences that play a 9 game conference schedule lose more games than conferences that play an 8 game conference schedule. That isn't speculation, that is a mathematical fact and is the reason the SEC and ACC refuse to play their own conference members.

North Carolina, Wake Forest to meet in non-conference game on Friday - CollegeFootballTalk | NBC Sports <--- LOL?

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

Great win, BTW but that was in the post season. Being in the post season does not diminish the win in any shape or form, but going into the playoff discussion was an unknown. What was known was that you lost to an 8 win Auburn and a 6 win ASU team. For the 9 conference game argument to come into play, you have to argue that this year ASU would have been that game and without it you would have been a playoff contender. The crux of the argument that @AlaskaGuy is making is that playing ASU and eight other PAC teams is somehow worse than playing UGA, LSU, Bama, the other five SEC games and an FCS team. It is purely a quality versus quantity argument without any merit. The SEC went through a period of being looked at as a weak conference … until we started winning the BCSCGs and having great OOC/bowl records.

The OOC record for the SEC was not stellar going into the postseason.

 

[We Are Decent]

Oh look a ND team is Top 10...again...look out for the 8-4/9-3 year.

 

[batchaps4me]

It's a mathematical fact that conferences that play a 9 game conference schedule lose more games than conferences that play an 8 game conference schedule. That isn't speculation, that is a mathematical fact and is the reason the SEC and ACC refuse to play their own conference members.

North Carolina, Wake Forest to meet in non-conference game on Friday - CollegeFootballTalk | NBC Sports <--- LOL?

You are falling back on the conference record instead of any team … When LSU beat a SEC team, did that hurt LSU's chances at the CFP because the SEC lost one??? They beat UGA, Vandy and UF from the East, which remaining SEC East team would have made them stumble?

The OOC record for the SEC was not stellar going into the postseason.

No it was not. We are currently enjoying the flip side of what we were facing pre 06 which is the benefit of the doubt. That did not happen by accident and it won't last forever but eight conference games is not the reason nor is it a factor.

 

[AlaskaGuy]

You are falling back on the conference record instead of any team … When LSU beat a SEC team, did that hurt LSU's chances at the CFP because the SEC lost one??? They beat UGA, Vandy and UF from the East, which remaining SEC East team would have made them stumble?



No it was not. We are currently enjoying the flip side of what we were facing pre 06 which is the benefit of the doubt. That did not happen by accident and it won't last forever but eight conference games is not the reason nor is it a factor.

Facts of the matter is not only does the SEC refuse to play its own conference members, it also plays less P5 team on average than any other P5 conference. Now we all know why the SEC teams refuse to play each other so no need to kid ourselves into thinking they do this in order to schedule better OOC games .. because that is not a fact.

 

[Wamu]

Facts of the matter is not only does the SEC refuse to play its own conference members, it also plays less P5 team on average than any other P5 conference. Now we all know why the SEC teams refuse to play each other so no need to kid ourselves into thinking they do this in order to schedule better OOC games .. because that is not a fact.

Do you think the Pac 12 is a better conference than the SEC?

 

[batchaps4me]

Facts of the matter is not only does the SEC refuse to play its own conference members, it also plays less P5 team on average than any other P5 conference. Now we all know why the SEC teams refuse to play each other so no need to kid ourselves into thinking they do this in order to schedule better OOC games .. because that is not a fact.

You are falling back on the conference record instead of any team … When LSU beat a SEC team, did that hurt LSU's chances at the CFP because the SEC lost one??? They beat UGA, Vandy and UF from the East, which remaining SEC East team would have made them stumble?

 

[AlaskaGuy]

You are falling back on the conference record instead of any team … When LSU beat a SEC team, did that hurt LSU's chances at the CFP because the SEC lost one??? They beat UGA, Vandy and UF from the East, which remaining SEC East team would have made them stumble?

It's a mathematical fact that conferences that play a 9 game conference schedule suffer more losses compared to the conferences that refuse to play their own conference members and is the very reason the 14 member SEC is not only a 12 year rotation but they also play the least amount of regular season P5 opponents compared to the other four P5 conferences.

 

[Deep Creek]

Do you think the Pac 12 is a better conference than the SEC?

They gotta be. Don't you know they are the "Conference of Champions"?

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

The way-too-early college football Top 25 for 2020

1. Clemson
2. Alabama
3. Ohio State
4. LSU
5. Oklahoma
6. Oregon
7. Penn State
8. Florida
9. Notre Dame
10. Iowa
11. Georgia
12. Michigan
13. Auburn
14. Texas
15. Memphis
16. Cincinnati
17. USC
18. Wisconsin
19. Texas A&M
20. Boise State
21. Iowa State
22. Baylor
23. Cal
24. Washington
25. North Carolina

Cal and North Carolina? How can that be, they are on Minnesota's ooc schedule in the future, they must suck.

 

[batchaps4me]

It's a mathematical fact that conferences that play a 9 game conference schedule suffer more losses compared to the conferences that refuse to play their own conference members and is the very reason the 14 member SEC is not only a 12 year rotation but they also play the least amount of regular season P5 opponents compared to the other four P5 conferences.

You are starting to sound like HRC arguing the popular vote versus the EC and blaming everyone else for you not winning. Lets try this again:

You are falling back on the conference record instead of any team … When LSU beat a SEC team, did that hurt LSU's chances at the CFP because the SEC lost one??? They beat UGA, Vandy and UF from the East, which remaining SEC East team would have made them stumble?

 

[AlaskaGuy]

You are starting to sound like HRC arguing the popular vote versus the EC and blaming everyone else for you not winning. Lets try this again:

You are falling back on the conference record instead of any team … When LSU beat a SEC team, did that hurt LSU's chances at the CFP because the SEC lost one??? They beat UGA, Vandy and UF from the East, which remaining SEC East team would have made them stumble?

I'm sticking to facts, not speculation.

SEC 12-Year Non-Division Football Schedule Rotation

 

[nathans8823]

Notre Dame has some potential this year, the games that really worry me is Wisconsin and definitely that Clemson game.

 

[ericd7633]

Oh look a ND team is Top 10...again...look out for the 8-4/9-3 year.

The last 5 years we've only been overrated one time and that was in 2016.

2015 start: 11
2015 finish: 11

2016 start: 10
2016 finish: UR

2017 start: UR
2017 finish: 11

2018 start: 12
2018 finish: 5

2019 start: 9
2019 finish: 12

 

[AlaskaGuy]

Funny story from the Rivals board. That board due to shitty moderation became a SEC circle jerk board towards the end and one of the threads over there that stick in my mind was the preview thread that was posted two months are more before on the Bama @ UGA game during Richts last year at UGA. It was the game were UGA got pasted at home. Anyways some of the Bama posters were asking the UGA posters questions such as where were the best places to stay, eat, etc .. and come to find out it had been over a decade since Bama had played at UGA. That was too surreal for the rest of us outside the SEC. We were like 'how the fvck is that even possible?'

 

[7Samurai13]

Cal and North Carolina? How can that be, they are on Minnesota's ooc schedule in the future, they must suck.

It’s not about where they are ranked in the preseason it’s where they finish. Or is Minnesota not a good team because they aren’t ranked in the preseason?

 

[ericd7633]

I'm sticking to facts, not speculation.

SEC 12-Year Non-Division Football Schedule Rotation

I'm not sure why you keep bringing this up. All that shows me is the Pac 12 plays .8 OOC games next season on average. Why is the Pac 12 as a whole afraid to play P5 teams OOC?

 

[AlaskaGuy]

I'm not sure why you keep bringing this up. All that shows me is the Pac 12 plays .8 OOC games next season on average. Why is the Pac 12 as a whole afraid to play P5 teams OOC?

The PAC teams play nearly one more regular season P5 opponent on average compared to their SEC counterparts. Please don't tell me you attended college.