The reigning champs arrive at the Grill for a weekend set: ATL @ TEX 4/29-5/1

[Kelleyman]

It does not apply only to pitchers so it is becoming a norm.

Besides Odor and maybe Gallo who we got a haul for who else is getting this treatment?

 

[Kelleyman]

This drastically changes his career path

 

[DT LUNA]

I am not saying we give up on him but think for now Gray, Perez, Dunning Hearn and Otto should be the rotation for now. Like said I would like for him to hav 5he opportunity to work out of jams and develop pitches more. He can do that in AAA.

BTW Hearn is not too far behind him. At best both have lapses. Both can get swing and misses so we might regret releasing Howard too hastily. And that ain’t gonna happen regardless what us as armchair GMs think

Reminds me of two position players we kept hanging on too. How did that work out?

 

[BULLPEN FAILURE]

I am not saying we give up on him but think for now Gray, Perez, Dunning Hearn and Otto should be the rotation for now. Like said I would like for him to hav 5he opportunity to work out of jams and develop pitches more. He can do that in AAA.

BTW Hearn is not too far behind him. At best both have lapses. Both can get swing and misses so we might regret releasing Howard too hastily. And that ain’t gonna happen regardless what us as armchair GMs think

I don't disagree. And I have no idea what they do when Gray comes back.

Besides Odor and maybe Gallo who we got a haul for who else is getting this treatment?

need to tap the brakes on that. Odor got ran out there every day for 2-3 SEASONS.

Spencer has pitched 10 games. Those are nowhere near comparable situations.

 

[DT LUNA]

Besides Odor and maybe Gallo who we got a haul for who else is getting this treatment?

That was enough so adding Howard extends the list.

 

[DT LUNA]

I don't disagree. And I have no idea what they do when Gray comes back.



need to tap the brakes on that. Odor got ran out there every day for 2-3 SEASONS.

Spencer has pitched 10 games. Those are nowhere near comparable situations.

But the theory applies.

 

[Kelleyman]

That was enough so adding Howard extends the list.

They dumped both so using your logic means they will eventually dump Howard.
Still confused how this is a norm

 

[saddles]

It does not apply only to pitchers so it is becoming a norm.

Sorry, but I have never seen anything like it.

 

[Kelleyman]

I don't disagree. And I have no idea what they do when Gray comes back.



need to tap the brakes on that. Odor got ran out there every day for 2-3 SEASONS.

Spencer has pitched 10 games. Those are nowhere near comparable situations.

Obviously Howard is in a much different situation. Currently I just prefer the rotation I mentioned

 

[DT LUNA]

They dumped both so using your logic means they will eventually dump Howard.
Still confused how this is a norm

The norm is trying to hide/cover up mistakes. They made efforts to justify Odor Gallo and now Howard.

 

[Kelleyman]

 

[BULLPEN FAILURE]

The norm is trying to hide/cover up mistakes. They made efforts to justify Odor Gallo and now Howard.

I guess that's not what I'm seeing.. what are they doing to "justify" Howard?

 

[BULLPEN FAILURE]

what they need to do is justify why Kole friggin' Calhoun is the LO hitter.

 

[DT LUNA]

I guess that's not what I'm seeing.. what are they doing to "justify" Howard?

Not sending down because he is certainly not cutting it in the rotation or BP. Seems more logical to send him down to try and work out issues than to bounce him around trying to fix him in the rotation.

 

[BULLPEN FAILURE]

Sorry, but I have never seen anything like it.

I lump it in with the many changes the game has undergone recently. "Starters," extreme shifts, pitch clocks, pulling a starter after 6 who is only at 7 IP... lots of new "schools of thought" in the game. Not a whole lot of them seem to be that beneficial.

 

[Kelleyman]

what they need to do is justify why Kole friggin' Calhoun is the LO hitter.

I guess where I am at is this year is still a rebuild and Kole surely is not considered part of the future.
Not saying we have an OF at this point who is 100 percent ready but yeah absolutely rather gave a guy even the other Calhoun up there At least 5hey got Adolis at 4

 

[saddles]

Besides Odor and maybe Gallo who we got a haul for who else is getting this treatment?

Odor got too many chances, but wasn't coddled. Gallo at least gave us gold glove caliber defense and some spurts of very good production.

 

[BULLPEN FAILURE]

Not sending down because he is certainly not cutting it in the rotation or BP. Seems more logical to send him down to try and work out issues than to bounce him around trying to fix him in the rotation.

I see that side of it, but I also see giving Howard a shot to work out those issues at this level. If this was a different year then I'd be more inclined to pull the AAA trigger quicker. And by shot I don't mean the whole season. If his next 2-3 appearances are more of the same, then pull that trigger. It would be mid-May at that point, with Howard here less than a year.

FWIW, Howard has a better WHIP and AVG against than Hearn at the moment. Not defending Howard there, just pointing out that Hearn has some issues too, and long term those might be bigger.

 

[BULLPEN FAILURE]

I guess where I am at is this year is still a rebuild and Kole surely is not considered part of the future.
Not saying we have an OF at this point who is 100 percent ready but yeah absolutely rather gave a guy even the other Calhoun up there At least 5hey got Adolis at 4

I really want El Bombi to have a monster year

 

[DT LUNA]

I see that side of it, but I also see giving Howard a shot to work out those issues at this level. If this was a different year then I'd be more inclined to pull the AAA trigger quicker. And by shot I don't mean the whole season. If his next 2-3 appearances are more of the same, then pull that trigger. It would be mid-May at that point, with Howard here less than a year.

FWIW, Howard has a better WHIP and AVG against than Hearn at the moment. Not defending Howard there, just pointing out that Hearn has some issues too, and long term those might be bigger.

No doubt Hearn has issues and he too may need more time in AAA.