Suddenly, it's Wake Forest

[foster4prez]

S&P+ is probably the single best metric. Here are the rankings for each team's opponents to-date.

Ohio State		Wake Forest
Minnesota	12.9​	23​		Old Dominion	-12.7​	118​
Oregon	11​	31​		Norfolk St	NR	NR
Tulsa	2.1​	73​		Florida State	10.6​	32​
Akron	-20​	127​		Virginia	12​	27​
Rutgers	3.4​	65​		Louisville	9.8​	35​
Maryland	10.3​	33​		Syracuse	6.4​	54​
Indiana	5.4​	56​		Army	-0.5​	84​
	3.585714​	58.28571​			4.266667​	58.33333​

And lining up side by side....

Minnesota	23​	Virginia	27​
Oregon	31​	Florida State	32​
Maryland	33​	Louisville	35​
Indiana	56​	Syracuse	54​
Rutgers	65​	Army	84​
Tulsa	73​	Old Dominion	118​
Akron	127​	Norfolk St	NR

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Thinking of the records of those 4 teams, I'd have to say SMU would have the best SOS with 2 ranked teams. Cincy and Houston.

But SMU hasn't played either yet, have they? Cinci is going to beat SMU, of that I'm pretty sure.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

S&P+ is probably the single best metric. Here are the rankings for each team's opponents to-date.

Ohio State		Wake Forest
Minnesota	12.9​	23​		Old Dominion	-12.7​	118​
Oregon	11​	31​		Norfolk St	NR	NR
Tulsa	2.1​	73​		Florida State	10.6​	32​
Akron	-20​	127​		Virginia	12​	27​
Rutgers	3.4​	65​		Louisville	9.8​	35​
Maryland	10.3​	33​		Syracuse	6.4​	54​
Indiana	5.4​	56​		Army	-0.5​	84​
	3.585714​	58.28571​			4.266667​	58.33333​

And lining up side by side....

Minnesota	23​	Virginia	27​
Oregon	31​	Florida State	32​
Maryland	33​	Louisville	35​
Indiana	56​	Syracuse	54​
Rutgers	65​	Army	84​
Tulsa	73​	Old Dominion	118​
Akron	127​	Norfolk St	NR

Wait? Some metric is trying to claim UMn has been tOSU's toughest opponent so far? Bet the Oregon fans hate seeing that, lol. Even I can't support that, I'd love to, but I can't.

 

[tabascojet]

Wurst then Hilter!!!

#diabolical

 

[navamind]

Wait? Some metric is trying to claim UMn has been tOSU's toughest opponent so far? Bet the Oregon fans hate seeing that, lol. Even I can't support that, I'd love to, but I can't.

S&P+ is not high on the PAC-12 conference as a whole. Hell, going by SRS (Simple Rating System from Sports-Reference), there's only one team in the top 20 (Arizona State at 20th) and two more in the top 30 (Utah and Oregon are 29th and 30th).

 

[wazzu31]

If Wake and Cinci both go undefeated I would like Wake to make it and Cinci get left out. At least be consistent.

 

[foster4prez]

If Wake and Cinci both go undefeated I would like Wake to make it and Cinci get left out. At least be consistent.

That's likely what would end up happening. Something like....

1. Georgia
2. Oklahoma
3. Ohio St
4. Wake Forest
5. Cinci

 

[PIBuckeye]

That's likely what would end up happening. Something like....

1. Georgia
2. Oklahoma
3. Ohio St
4. Wake Forest
5. Cinci

What if mich only loses by 3 to the Buckeyes and goes 11-1?
Could be interesting their sos I bet would be much higher than wak……

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

That's likely what would end up happening. Something like....

1. Georgia
2. Oklahoma
3. Ohio St
4. Wake Forest
5. Cinci

Well Wake Forest has to beat NCSU, who is currently ranked, Clemson, who won't be an easy out, and then Pitt in the CCG, all three wins would give them a bump in the rankings, Cincinnati has no games left really other than SMU where they can improve they're resume. Question is, can Wake make up the difference and jump them in the minds of the voters?

And for the above to happen, Georgia, Oklahoma and Ohio State all have to win out. If Oklahoma loses and Ohio State loses and neither Michigan or Michigan State win out, both Wake and Cincinnati could get in?

There might be one or two others, like Oregon, with one loss that could win out and stay ahead of wake, as well? Makes for an interesting season.

 

[SteelersPride]

Wakes gonna lose to pitt.

 

[Golden Spur]

Wakes gonna lose to pitt.

Pitt could run the table and win the ACC.

 

[SteelersPride]

Pitt could run the table and win the ACC.

They should. But pitt always goes pitt, like the western mich game. Pitt has a top 5 offense and a really good d.

 

[foster4prez]

What if mich only loses by 3 to the Buckeyes and goes 11-1?
Could be interesting their sos I bet would be much higher than wak……

Absolutely zero chance that an 11-1 non-conference champ Michigan goes in above an undefeated P5 conference champ. Zero. Nada. Zilch.

 

[foster4prez]

Well Wake Forest has to beat NCSU, who is currently ranked, Clemson, who won't be an easy out, and then Pitt in the CCG, all three wins would give them a bump in the rankings, Cincinnati has no games left really other than SMU where they can improve they're resume. Question is, can Wake make up the difference and jump them in the minds of the voters?

And for the above to happen, Georgia, Oklahoma and Ohio State all have to win out. If Oklahoma loses and Ohio State loses and neither Michigan or Michigan State win out, both Wake and Cincinnati could get in?

There might be one or two others, like Oregon, with one loss that could win out and stay ahead of wake, as well? Makes for an interesting season.

This is all prognostication until we see the playoff rankings on Tuesday. They certainly will not mirror the AP.

 

[PIBuckeye]

Absolutely zero chance that an 11-1 non-conference champ Michigan goes in above an undefeated P5 conference champ. Zero. Nada. Zilch.

still have to say resume has to matter and strength of schedule.

just fyi, it's going to be a very bad look if WF gets in at 4 and then gets their doors blown off by GA or OSU like 50-3........

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Absolutely zero chance that an 11-1 non-conference champ Michigan goes in above an undefeated P5 conference champ. Zero. Nada. Zilch.

Michigan would have wins over probably ranked PSU/MSU & maybe getting votes Maryland/Wisconsin. Wake Forest would have wins over probably ranked Pitt and maybe getting votes NCSU. Only difference would be Michigan playing 3 ranked teams and losing to the highest ranked of them while Wake only plays one ranked team, and no where near as highly ranked as tOSU. I don't know that anyone can say with certainty that Michigan would never get in over Wake in those circumstances.

 

[PIBuckeye]

Michigan would have wins over probably ranked PSU/MSU & maybe getting votes Maryland/Wisconsin. Wake Forest would have wins over probably ranked Pitt and maybe getting votes NCSU. Only difference would be Michigan playing 3 ranked teams and losing to the highest ranked of them while Wake only plays one ranked team, and no where near as highly ranked as tOSU. I don't know that anyone can say with certainty that Michigan would never get in over Wake in those circumstances.

I think it will be considered and highly looked at. and not blown off as easy as foster thinks......

 

[foster4prez]

Michigan would have wins over probably ranked PSU/MSU & maybe getting votes Maryland/Wisconsin. Wake Forest would have wins over probably ranked Pitt and maybe getting votes NCSU. Only difference would be Michigan playing 3 ranked teams and losing to the highest ranked of them while Wake only plays one ranked team, and no where near as highly ranked as tOSU. I don't know that anyone can say with certainty that Michigan would never get in over Wake in those circumstances.

I can. I say with absolute unequivocal certainty that undefeated ACC champ Wake Forest would make the playoff over 1-loss non B1G champ Michigan. It's not even up for debate. There is literally zero chance of Michigan jumping them.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

I can. I say with absolute unequivocal certainty that undefeated ACC champ Wake Forest would make the playoff over 1-loss non B1G champ Michigan. It's not even up for debate. There is literally zero chance of Michigan jumping them.

We don't know yet if Michigan has to jump them? Michigan could be ahead of Wake Forest in the first college football playoff rankings already? And with several big-time opponents ahead of them if they beat two out of the three, Wake Forest may not be able to jump them?

 

[foster4prez]

We don't know yet if Michigan has to jump them? Michigan could be ahead of Wake Forest in the first college football playoff rankings already? And with several big-time opponents ahead of them if they beat two out of the three, Wake Forest may not be able to jump them?

Bless your heart thinking anything resembling logic applies to the playoff selection committee.