Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi (2017)

[juliansteed]

They still could have addressed some of that in the actual films with better writing or dialogue. You don't need minutes long exposition dumps either. The OT was great about establishing enough of the roles just through bits of dialogue, how characters reacted, and other smaller details. Neither 7 or 8 do this well.There's almost nothing explained about the First Order for casual fans to pick up on. I'm fairly certain most probably think its just the Empire. You have to search for it. It shouldn't be that way. I give 7 a very slight pass since it had to introduce so much but there is literally zero excuse for 8 not to provide any more details or any real development for any character.

I agree 100%. Despite all the expanded universe material out there for the hardcore fans, Star Wars is first and foremost a movie franchise and the story told in the movies should be able to stand on its own. The books, video games, animated series' were all inspired by the movies and not vice-versa. The expanded universe stuff is there to enhance the story or tell spin-off stories for the die hards but shouldn't be required to build the universe or fill in huge gaps in the story.

 

[Roy Munson]

If both sides didn't make such a big deal about it, I probably wouldn't have even noticed. The bigger deal one side makes of it, the more the other strikes back. Not sure which side started it.

I couldn't care less what race, gender, sexual orientation, age etc, a character is other than how it might be relevant to the story. I have nothing against any of the actors in these 4 newer movies, including those played by characters I consider to be poorly written. But the way those at Lucasfilm pat themselves on the back for being diverse and make such a huge spectacle of it is a bit annoying.

Am I correct in assuming that is what your issue is on this topic? Diversity in general is not the issue but forced diversity to put themselves on a pedestal is?

Was there gay sex in Solo? Is that why everybody is so upset?

 

[chf]

Yes. Kathleen's crew isn't trying to insert their political beliefs into Star Wars.....It's just right wing derp....

Jon Kasdan - Co-Writer - "Solo, a Star Wars Movie".

Word is Iger is already holding meetings over the past weeks about the disaster that is Disney's LucusFilms division. Not only is all the "A star wars movie" side project movies like the Obi-Wan Kenobi and Boba Fett projects been freezed, but it also involved asking multiple hollywood production heads, including J.J. Abrams, to take over the caca covered house, and so much shit has been sprayed all over the franchise right now, everyone is turning him down. Nobody wants to touch this glowing green diarrhea house of horrors Kennedy has ruined in record time. So now it's bet the house time that they can salvage this dumpster fire with episode 9 that J.J. Abrams has been bribed an ungodly amount of money to oversee after he said he was done with SW after Force Awakens.

 

[chf]

Yes. Kathleen's crew isn't trying to insert their political beliefs into Star Wars.....It's just right wing derp....

Jon Kasdan - Co-Writer - "Solo, a Star Wars Movie".

Word is Iger is already holding meetings over the past weeks about the disaster that is Disney's LucusFilms division. Not only is all the "A star wars movie" side project movies like the Obi-Wan Kenobi and Boba Fett projects been freezed, but it also involved asking multiple hollywood production heads, including J.J. Abrams, to take over the caca covered house, and so much shit has been sprayed all over the franchise right now, everyone is turning him down. Nobody wants to touch this glowing green diarrhea house of horrors Kennedy has ruined in record time. So now it's bet the house time that they can salvage this dumpster fire with episode 9 that J.J. Abrams has been bribed an ungodly amount of money to oversee after he said he was done with SW after Force Awakens.

Oh ffs, you are exactly what you decry, a fucking snowflake.

So if I'm writing a movie about war veterans and I put in a character with PTSD, something that ACTUALLY EXISTS, then that's me shoving my political beliefs down your throat?

Or is it me, telling a story about actual people THAT EXIST?

Are you saying that brown people, or gay people DON'T EXIST? That droids in the SW universe DON'T EXIST?

Look, if Kennedy hijacks a SW movie, and makes it about the formation of the Tatooine GSA, you'd have a fucking point. Including some brown people, or a gay character doesn't mean they're hijacking a movie.

If you weren't so fucking scared of your own shadow, and seeing threats in every corner, you could realize this, but you're a silly scared little man.

If they fire Kennedy, you can declare victory, and feel a little less scared.

If they don't, you can continue to feel persecuted.

Win/win baby.

 

[RP-29]

Ever since Episode 8 my thoughts have been that the prequels had too much George Lucas. This sequel trilogy doesn't have enough George Lucas. The original trilogy had just the right amount of George Lucas.

Yeah, Lucas wrote and directed 1-3. The 1-3 story was pretty good but the execution of that story was underwhelming. With the right director, those movies could've been great. Same with 7-9.

Lucas drives his stories with characters. The reason every kid in the late 70's & early 80's had a room full of Star Wars action figures is because Lucas hit the mark with great stories driven by lovable characters - including the robots and villains. Lucas drove 1-3 through characters too, but the characters were underwhelmingly executed and therefore not as beloved.

Abrams drove 7 through characters too and did a pretty good job of mimicking Lucas's storytelling - with the primary knock being it was a bit too mimicked. Abrams' characters hooked our attention and we invested ourselves in their past and future.

Johnson didn't seem to give the slightest crap about character progression or building emotional attachments to the characters; he just needed the characters to do things.

 

[Sparhawk]

Oh ffs, you are exactly what you decry, a fucking snowflake.

So if I'm writing a movie about war veterans and I put in a character with PTSD, something that ACTUALLY EXISTS, then that's me shoving my political beliefs down your throat?

Or is it me, telling a story about actual people THAT EXIST?

Are you saying that brown people, or gay people DON'T EXIST? That droids in the SW universe DON'T EXIST?

Look, if Kennedy hijacks a SW movie, and makes it about the formation of the Tatooine GSA, you'd have a fucking point. Including some brown people, or a gay character doesn't mean they're hijacking a movie.

If you weren't so fucking scared of your own shadow, and seeing threats in every corner, you could realize this, but you're a silly scared little man.

If they fire Kennedy, you can declare victory, and feel a little less scared.

If they don't, you can continue to feel persecuted.

Win/win baby.

If only there were some way in which folks didn’t have to watch these movies....

 

[wilwhite]

Star Wars was must-see cinema as a cultural lodestone, even if you thought it was silly. The Force Awaken took advantage of that.

Rogue One was a pretty good side movie - still felt like the Star Wars universe.

But The Last Jedi engaged in deliberate destruction of some of the iconic elements in Star Wars; but one in particular - that biological relationships matter - is what feels the most different.

What is the single central, iconic moment in all of Star Wars - the revelation that underpins the entire first trilogy and drives our interest in the prequels?

"Luke, I am your father."

The Last Jedi takes the position that that doesn't matter.

 

[Clayton]

Rogue One has a solid final act but I'm still not convinced that its all that great of a movie. Its just a movie that fits into the Star Wars universe better than any other movie that came after the originals.

Its totally disposable, though. Its nothing without its attachment to the original Star Wars movie which I really think explains the backlash to The Last Jedi.

 

[R.J. MacReady]

Fair. Honestly, one of the reasons why people seem to like Rogue One more than the others is because it was a much darker story and eschewed the cutsey stuff.

IMO, the TLJ faltered because too often they wanted to appeal to the kids with silly little penguin things and the racing animals on the casino planet. Rather than building a serious plot, they went light.

You would think that someone would eventually realize that the movies that people like the most(Rogue One, Empire Strikes Back) were the most serious.

TLJ had a great story line with Rey and Kylo. I enjoyed the scene with Luke facing down the First Order. But otherwise the non-Rey stuff was just light.

To me a really good movie is 2 parts.
Good production values and it's ability to make an emotional connection.

For the latter you need good acting performances but more importantly you need a solid uncomplicated plot.
Rouge One got you emotionally invested early on. You understood the mission right away so you were free to just disappear into the movie.

 

[R.J. MacReady]

Rogue One has a solid final act but I'm still not convinced that its all that great of a movie. Its just a movie that fits into the Star Wars universe better than any other movie that came after the originals.

Its totally disposable, though. Its nothing without its attachment to the original Star Wars movie which I really think explains the backlash to The Last Jedi.

Rouge One is so good because it's the complete opposite of this.
It stands on it's on 2 feet with barley a connection to the often complicated story line.

 

[Clayton]

Rouge One is so good because it's the complete opposite of this.
It stands on it's on 2 feet with barley a connection to the often complicated story line.

Wouldn't you be upset with the ending if the other movies didn't exist?

Maybe my issue is that I never made an emotional connection with any character except the droid and the marital artist. Everyone else? Meh

 

[R.J. MacReady]

Wouldn't you be upset with the ending if the other movies didn't exist?

In today's world of greed ..no. They always find a way to bring you back.

Remember Mike from Breaking bad?

 

[Clayton]

In today's world of greed ..no. They always find a way to bring you back.

Remember Mike from Breaking bad?

Doesn't TLJ and R1 functionally have the same ending? Rebels fight against the big bad empire and its the next generation that has to carry on the fight.

 

[redseat]

Just watched it while I was waiting to get my car fixed.... My impression.... MEH... Nothing special... Special effects were pretty good, I think it could have been a little shorter imo

 

[Roy Munson]

Just watched it while I was waiting to get my car fixed.... My impression.... MEH... Nothing special... Special effects were pretty good, I think it could have been a little shorter imo

every movie now has to be 2.5 hours. its fucking insane

 

[redseat]

every movie now has to be 2.5 hours. its fucking insane

Yeah don't get that... Though I will admit if I actually go to the theater and pay to see a movie I would want it to be long, costs too much

 

[Cave_Johnson]

What has Boba Fett done. Cried like a bitch and did nothing in the prequels, relied on other people to do his job for him in the originals, and then falls in a hole when a blind guy slightly bumps him. Did I miss anything?

Boba Fett is the biggest bitch in all of star wars and some how people think he is cool.

Phasma is literally and figuratively a bigger bitch.

 

[Mebert]

Phasma is literally and figuratively a bigger bitch.

Solid argument for this. Everyone at least acknowledges Phasma sucks. Boba Fett is Phasma that people think is cool somehow.

 

[redseat]

I'm baffled why so many people hate this movie.

There are some flaw with the movie. Certainly the space bombers were more than a little ridiculous. But the whole series is filled with silliness like that.

What is it that you hated about this movie so much?

Yeah I didn't get those bombers.... And was this supposed to be the "pinhole" in the Death Star type of deal in this movie? I mean it looked just like it for the most part. Not sure why people were giving Daisey Ridley crap for her performance. Thought she did well

 

[Ojb81]

Pfff. Star wars