Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi (2017)

[steelerssb]

Admiral Ackbar deserved better

 

[calsnowskier]

Well, they had other small ships that could go out and run errands at light speed (like the one used by Finn to go to the Casino)... I guess using those small vessels to get some fuel was out of the question, right?

I have no idea what fuel is in the SW universe. Who knows how it I see transported or collected.

 

[juliansteed]

Han also explains to Luke in A New Hope that you can't just jump into light speed in any direction without doing the proper calculations first or you could possibly collide with any number of objects. Of course they had lots of time to perform these calculations, compared to how quickly Han did it in A New Hope, but in the animated series' it's also established that there are very specific hyper space lanes for safe light speed travel. They probably could/should have mentioned something to this effect in the movie.

 

[wildturkey]

They didn’t figure out they were being tracked until they got to the abandoned base. Once the First Order came out if hyperspace, the resistance was about to jump again before Poe(?) realized what was happening and came up with the OJ scenario (low-speed chase).

Remember, the resistance was essentially running on fumes. It was mentioned that they had fuel for another jump, but they would have been completely out when they exited hyperspace. So if they did scatter, they all would have been floating with no way to get the fleet back together.

What base? The base didn't happen until the end of the movie. I thought they figured out they were being tracked after that first jump after they blew up the Dreadnaught. They like figured it out immediately despite this being supposedly brand new tech no one had ever used and Finn/Rose/Poe immediately figured how they were doing it and how to stop it (ridiculously dumb how quick it was). Not only that, didn't they say the tracker was on The Supremacy which wasn't even there when they made their first jump so how the heck where they even tracked to being with. That whole plot is one big sweater that falls apart the instant you tug on a thread.

 

[calsnowskier]

I have only seen it once, but didn’t Finn say he ran into the device while doing janitorial duty? He was ready to run when Rose found him and they traded their menial job histories with each other and he remembered...

 

[Yam]

Kylo, Rey, Luke story was decent and has legs for episode 9.

The casino stuff, completely worthless and forgettable.

Rose, a forced in waste of a character

Benecio del Toro, you could see from a mile away he would pull a lando.

Leia living and her space ghost shit, horrendous

The porgs, more worthless than ewoks and jar jar.

the entire last setting, complete ripoff of the hoth battle.

Disney is slowly ruining star wars. They hit a home run with rogue one, but last Jedi was average at best.

 

[Payton]

Can someone tell me why Leia gets all up in Poe's face over the sacrifice made to destroy the Dreadnaught?

If I'm not mistaken, if the Dreadnaught survived that battle, the entire "chase" would have been a moot point because the gun on the Dreadnaught would have incinerated the remaining fleet within 2 minutes.

Anyway, just saw it and seems my opinions are about the same. I'll say that the trailers I saw did a good job of splicing quotes to give me a different idea of what was going to happen, so that was cool at least. I thought either Rey or Luke were going to go full-on dark side for starters... So Rey, according to Luke is the ultimate in "Loose Cannons" when it comes to her control over her impulses, but seems attracted to the good guys for now? Okay I guess... It almost seems like her decision is based on, "Well shit. Guess Kylo is going to stay a bad guy, so I gotta be the good guy I guess....".

The Casino planet. Yes, stupid and unnecessary. In fact, I projected that it would be so I chose during that time to hit the can. My son came with and I told him, "Now is the time to go. We know they're going to find the guy they're looking for, so we aren't missing much."...

Yes, the final battle was an Empire rip-off. You'd think one of these days that the bad guys would learn to drop the walkers a little closer to the base, but I know... artistic license and all...

Bottom line is that I tend to like the advancement of the plot with the Jedi and Sith and the rest is sort of take-it-or-leave-it for me... As someone mentioned already, I thought Luke deserved a more epic finish... My daughter asked (and I don't know the answer), "So is Luke dead?". I don't know... I guess he has kind of gone the way of Obi-Wan, Yoda, et al... Will we see him again in visions? Or was this Mark Hammil waving goodbye? I know they're trying to pass the baton to the new gen characters, but... And yeah, why does Leia, of all the old characters, survive? LOL! (RIP Carrie)

All and all, I still enjoyed it.

 

[RegentDenali]

Beautiful camera work and music.
The script is a SJW disaster that left me stunned as I watched it unfold in the theater.. Can't believe they would take their butthurt over the 2016 election and proceed to ruin Star Wars, but Kathleen Kenedy and her crew of snowflakes couldnt help themselves. Everything they touch, they destroy with their resentment. Latest victims? Luke Skywalker and any male characters in the SW universe.

 

[Zwalt]

I thought they did a good job with the visuals and music....other than that, so much shit show...

I think it's important to note that you can view this movie one of three ways:

1. Stand alone
2. The "new" Star Wars
3. The 8th chapter of the Star Wars universe

I'm basing my opinion on the 3rd viewpoint, as Star Wars is what I grew up on.

Right off the bat you have the "rebels/resistance" fleeing a base just ahead of the Empire/First Order attacking. This has happened dozens of times and never before has fuel ever been brought up. Not only didn't they remember to fill up one cruiser, but, you guessed it, all of them. wut?

A single X Wing attacking a star destroyer/dreadnaught and said star destroyer/dreadnaught doesn't have weapons capable of fending off small fighters....after 30 years you would think the empire/first order would figure out they aren't fighting capital ships 99% of the time. The phone call was mildly amusing but clearly done for comedic effect and pretty much stupid, especially that it bought time.

Bombers....what the ever loving fuck? The visuals are of world war II B-17 bombers but...um...there is no gravity in space so ...what the fuck? And one bomber destroys a dreadnaught?

Side note, the male/female dynamic is pretty painful, but I'm not going to dive into that pool in this post.

Now we have the sub space chase...which makes zero sense from either side. It feels like it is fought by naval ships on an ocean, only two dimensions and no tactics that violate that are allowed. Since when are cruisers able to withstand shots from a star destroyer if far enough away? If that is the case, why couldn't Leia's corvette (a much faster ship if I recall than a medical frigate) outrun and withstand the attack of a star destroy in ANH? And the empire/first order are content to follow, not jump ahead with hyperspace? Or here is an idea, why don't the rebels/resistance not send the multiple cruisers off in different directions? Ugh, the dumb ass tactics are painful!

I went into this with an open mind, but I found the movie completely underwhelming, other than the visuals and music score. There is a lot more I could go into but that is a start...

 

[RegentDenali]

And this stuff was already being mentioned long before the movie was released. With all the press events leading up to this all through the summer and fall, everyone was seeing how political and sjw Kathleen Kennedy was making this all out to be.

And this video makes such valid points about how some of the best female leads of all time in modern sci-fi movies like Sarah Conner and Ripley from Aliens were strong, but they didn't pander to feminists by making them mary sue's who are instantly all knowing and powerful over all males, but have vulnerabilities and it's that part of it that makes the stories of them soo watchable. They worked to overcome the odds and had to fight to win at the end.

Hopefully she's out soon as Disney doesn't usually have qualms about firing studio heads who fuck up this bad with their major crown jewels, but Disney is political as well these days, she'll probably get a pass on this and seek to wreck the next one as well.

Nuff said.....

One of Kathleen's crew of writers who whose worked on her Star Wars projects. No political bias at all when it comes to his thoughts on Star Wars.

Yes. These are the clowns who are now in charge of Star Wars.

 

[Cave_Johnson]

And this stuff was already being mentioned long before the movie was released. With all the press events leading up to this all through the summer and fall, everyone was seeing how political and sjw Kathleen Kennedy was making this all out to be.

And this video makes such valid points about how some of the best female leads of all time in modern sci-fi movies like Sarah Conner and Ripley from Aliens were strong, but they didn't pander to feminists by making them mary sue's who are instantly all knowing and powerful over all males, but have vulnerabilities and it's that part of it that makes the stories of them soo watchable. They worked to overcome the odds and had to fight to win at the end.

Hopefully she's out soon as Disney doesn't usually have qualms about firing studio heads who fuck up this bad with their major crown jewels, but Disney is political as well these days, she'll probably get a pass on this and seek to wreck the next one as well.

Nuff said.....

One of Kathleen's crew of writers who whose worked on her Star Wars projects. No political bias at all when it comes to his thoughts on Star Wars.

Yes. These are the clowns who are now in charge of Star Wars.

I mean, I try not to let it bother me too much but it is kind of undeniable that all the main rebel characters are minorities or women except the returning white male characters from episodes 4-6 (both of whom have now been killed off). And yeah, all the bad guys are white people. It's not exactly subtle.

I think they mean "The First Order is a white supremacist organization because we wrote it to be that way".

And "The Force is Female"?

Uh...what the fuck does that even mean?

Tards gonna tard man. Overall this movie had a lot of cool shit that I really liked (the stuff with Rey, Luke, Kylo, and Snoke), some really dumb shit that I didn't care for (most of the Finn and Rose stuff, the Leia Mary Poppins thing, Phasma), and some shit I was indifferent too (most of the space chase stuff).

Good, solid movie. Probably not worthy of the ridiculous critical acclaim, but still good.

 

[Payton]

BTW, was it just me, or did Luke's explanation of the Force to Rey pretty much give the finger (thankfully so) to the whole "mitichloriants" thing?

 

[packerzrule]

A somewhat twist of irony is that the only "survivor" of the original three is the only person who has passed in real life.

Da fuq

 

[RobBase]

Saw it today. Loved the stuff w Kylo Ren and Rey. Nothing really likeable about any of the supposed "good guy" Resistance characters. They all come off like a bunch of whiney trouble makers. HATED the annoying purple haired lady.

Luke Skywalker stuff was weird.

B-/C+

 

[juliansteed]

So far I'm kind of "meh" about this new trilogy the same way I was about the prequels after watching the first 2 installments of that trilogy but for completely different reasons. This new trilogy has much better visuals, better acting, better dialogue, and better special effects, but I don't find the story to be very interesting at all. The prequels on the other hand told a great story in my opinion but just told it very poorly. I feel like they threw out the baby with the bathwater when they banned George Lucas from having any input at all with any of the new movies. I really wish they kept him around to contribute to the general story arc but have others direct and write the dialogue.

I really don't care much about any of these new characters. There are no Jar Jars but there are no Vaders or Han Solos either. They are all just okay. The 2 characters that probably had the most potential to be interesting, Finn and Kylo Ren, don't really make a lot of sense as far as their motivations and backstories go, especially Finn.

 

[broncosmitty]

Saw it today. Loved the stuff w Kylo Ren and Rey. Nothing really likeable about any of the supposed "good guy" Resistance characters. They all come off like a bunch of whiney trouble makers. HATED the annoying purple haired lady.

Luke Skywalker stuff was weird.

B-/C+

Im sitting in the parking lot right now. Just got out of the show. (Same parking lot I had an ecig inthree hours ago. )


Felt like a little kid watching this one. Fuckin loved it.


guess it didn't really matter who the fuck Snoke is.

 

[broncosmitty]

BTW, was it just me, or did Luke's explanation of the Force to Rey pretty much give the finger (thankfully so) to the whole "mitichloriants" thing?

Do acid, you'll get it.

 

[Clayton]

BTW, was it just me, or did Luke's explanation of the Force to Rey pretty much give the finger (thankfully so) to the whole "mitichloriants" thing?

Does it?

I just thought midiclorians were basically symbiotic cells that allow you to use the force.

 

[Niner Outlaw]

guess it didn't really matter who the fuck Snoke is.

I agree. I keep hearing people knock the film for not explaining who Snoke is, but that criticism doesn't hold much water for me since the original trilogy never explained who the Emperor was, where he came from or how he got there and those films still worked.

 

[calsnowskier]

I agree. I keep hearing people knock the film for not explaining who Snoke is, but that criticism doesn't hold much water for me since the original trilogy never explained who the Emperor was, where he came from or how he got there and those films still worked.

But they built him up slowly and he was the central figure in the climax.

In ANH, he was only referenced to, outside of a quick scene through the holo-communicator. But he clearly has pull over the Baddest bad that ever badded, Darth Vader.

In ESB, he is further established as the true puppet master. Vader has been promoted to the overall #2 (at least militarily), but he still completely betas to Palpatine.

Then, in ROTJ, he manipulated the other two most powerful known force-users in the galaxy into a daddy/son battle, and even demonstrates a power that no other force-user has ever demonstrated. He was the Emporor if a galaxy-wide Empire, AND he was a SHOWN force-wielded.

Snoke, by contrast, is little more than a “modern day” General Grieveous. He has a primary follower who is a weak-willed goth teenager who got spanked by his uncle, and his primary right-hand, non-force-using military general is a sniveling, temper-tantrum throwing spoiled brat.

And as for Snokes DEMONSTRATED force abuilites? He pushes Rey back into a Matrix pose. That’s it. He CLAIMS to have controlled the Skype-sessions between Kylo and Rey, but there is no evidence of that. He was completely fooled by Kylo’s true intentions with the lightsaber.

Snoke was a bait-and-switch. Only there was nothing put in his place when he was removed.


The fact that they haven’t explained who he was is not a huge issue in my opinion. He is allowed to be his own entity. I am ok with that. I would have preferred that he turned out to be Luke, but that was just my personal fan theory. Those rarely pay off.