Soooo, Clayton Kershaw...

[PolarVortex]

It's the fucking Hall of Fame for chrissakes, not the hall of I was really good for 8 or 10 years

So then you would be okay with them kicking out Jim Rice, Bobby Doerr, and Pedro Martinez

 

[navamind]

So then you would be okay with them kicking out Jim Rice, Bobby Doerr, and Pedro Martinez

Rice's peak isn't even that great. 2-4 MVP caliber years and a bunch of meh.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Lets say his back never really gets healthy again. Given the mechanics of how he pitches, this is a reasonable possibility. Under those circumstances, has he done enough to make the HOF? He qualifies, given that he is now a 10-year veteran. But has he done enough?

145 wins - Meh, that isn't HOF worthy. It's a nice career total. There have probably been no less than 10,000 players take the pitching mound in that time span. Only 281 pitchers have won as many games as Kershaw. But, meh, his win total isn't HOF worthy.

2173 strikeouts - Ranks 65th. Again, a solid, solid career total but hardly HOF-worthy.

Post season career - unimpressive

So in order to judge his HOF-worthiness, you have to look at the quality of his work rather than the longevity of his work:
7 All Star teams in 10 seasons
5 ERA titles
4 WHIP titles
2 20-win seasons
3 strikeout crowns and 7 seasons of 200+ Ks
9 times with a K/9 ratio of over one per inning.
4 Cy Youngs and 7 in the top 5.
1 MVP, 3 in the top 10 and 6 in the top 17.
60.1 WAR - there are 26 pitchers in the Hall with career WAR than Kershaw. And Pedro is probably the only pitcher in the HOF with a higher WAR/IP ratio although I don't have that stat immediately available.

These are accomplishments that most HOF pitchers did not manage when given twice as long of a career. When you look at the whole body of his career you see that he is more along the lines of Sandy Koufax rather than someone like, say, Early Winn or Phil Niekro. A short period of extreme dominance rather than a long period of solid, if unspectacular, productivity.

I think he is Hall Of Fame worthy based on what he has accomplished to date, even if he never throws another inning in his career.

Ill never read all that

 

[PolarVortex]

Ill never read all that

I need to kill something. Not many useful open hunting seasons around here at the end of June. I could go shoot a raccoon or a puma, but what fun would that be? Maybe I'll poach a black tail or a turkey.

 

[PolarVortex]

because you are a pussy and a metrofagual.

I need to kill something. Not many useful open hunting seasons around here at the end of June. I could go shoot a raccoon or a puma, but what fun would that be? Maybe I'll poach a black tail or a turkey.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

I need to kill something. Not many useful open hunting seasons around here at the end of June. I could go shoot a raccoon or a puma, but what fun would that be? Maybe I'll poach a black tail or a turkey.

Why not a relaxing day with the fishing rod and a few cold ones, maybe cook up some salmon for the Mrs. this evening

 

[PolarVortex]

Why not a relaxing day with the fishing rod and a few cold ones, maybe cook up some salmon for the Mrs. this evening

We had salmon last night. Oregon Sockeye. Good stuff. Very heavy in Omega 3. And I don't drink al key haul so a few cold ones would probably mean several Vitamin Waters, Sobes, or Bai coconut. Also, the Mrs is a dedicated nurse and has the evening shift this weekend. It's just me and the kidlettes and a few hours of Pixar.

 

[Chewbaccer]

No.

You're not nearly capable of defending that stance. Stay on the Pats board. You make an idiot of yourself everytime you post in the MLB boards.

"Justin Verlander went to the NL is why he is pitching better."

 

[Rex Racer]

You're not nearly capable of defending that stance. Stay on the Pats board. You make an idiot of yourself everytime you post in the MLB boards.

"Justin Verlander went to the NL is why he is pitching better."

Fuckoff and die Skippy. I'll post where I want, when I want and if I require the opinions of a pubescent scrote that never played baseball or any other sport I'll give you a holler, Mmmk?

Now get back to that jar of shine, it ain't gonna drink itself.

 

[Rex Racer]

145 wins ain't getting Kershaw into the HOF. More work needs to be done.

 

[Chewbaccer]

Fuckoff and die Skippy. I'll post where I want, when I want and if I require the opinions of a pubescent scrote that never played baseball or any other sport I'll give you a holler, Mmmk?

Now get back to that jar of shine, it ain't gonna drink itself.

So, you have nothing of substance to defend your stance. Gotcha.

And FTR, I played baseball every year from t-ball until I was 19, and still play pickup games from time to time.

And calling me prepubescent and then later telling me to drink my moonshine(which I was gonna do anyways) is contradicting. Work on your craft and try to improve yourself.

 

[Chewbaccer]

Ralph Kiner, Pedro Martinez, Bobby Doerr, Sandy Koufax, Jim Rice, Roy Campanella, etc should be taken out of the Hall of Fame.

- @Rex Racer

 

[Rex Racer]

And FTR, I played baseball every year from t-ball until I was 19, and still play pickup games from time to time.

Cool story bro Did you make the Hall of Fame?

 

[Rex Racer]

And calling me prepubescent and then later telling me to drink my moonshine(which I was gonna do anyways) is contradicting. Work on your craft and try to improve yourself.

You're hick from Georgia, we all know you hillbillies start drinkin at 7 years old.

 

[Rex Racer]

Ralph Kiner, Pedro Martinez, Bobby Doerr, Sandy Koufax, Jim Rice, Roy Campanella, etc should be taken out of the Hall of Fame.

- @Rex Racer

Good grief

 

[Chewbaccer]

Cool story bro Did you make the Hall of Fame?

Stay on topic. Like I said, you're not capable of defending your stance.

And Justin Verlander started pitching better because he was traded to an NL team, right?

 

[Chewbaccer]

You're hick from Georgia, we all know you hillbillies start drinkin at 7 years old.

You're a retard from New Hampshire, and we all know New England retards aren't capable of intelligently discussing baseball.

 

[Rex Racer]

Got that boy dancing like a marionette and he doesn't realize who is holding the strings.

Someone tell chewy what demographics means

 

[Rex Racer]

He's gonna beat that dead horse forever just a good little leftist.

 

[Chewbaccer]

Got that boy dancing like a marionette and he doesn't realize who is holding the strings.

Someone tell chewy what demographics means

You're the one who resorts to death wishes instead of defending your stance. Predictable.