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Soooo, Clayton Kershaw...

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Lets say his back never really gets healthy again. Given the mechanics of how he pitches, this is a reasonable possibility. Under those circumstances, has he done enough to make the HOF? He qualifies, given that he is now a 10-year veteran. But has he done enough?

145 wins - Meh, that isn't HOF worthy. It's a nice career total. There have probably been no less than 10,000 players take the pitching mound in that time span. Only 281 pitchers have won as many games as Kershaw. But, meh, his win total isn't HOF worthy.

2173 strikeouts - Ranks 65th. Again, a solid, solid career total but hardly HOF-worthy.

Post season career - unimpressive

So in order to judge his HOF-worthiness, you have to look at the quality of his work rather than the longevity of his work:
7 All Star teams in 10 seasons
5 ERA titles
4 WHIP titles
2 20-win seasons
3 strikeout crowns and 7 seasons of 200+ Ks
9 times with a K/9 ratio of over one per inning.
4 Cy Youngs and 7 in the top 5.
1 MVP, 3 in the top 10 and 6 in the top 17.
60.1 WAR - there are 26 pitchers in the Hall with career WAR than Kershaw. And Pedro is probably the only pitcher in the HOF with a higher WAR/IP ratio although I don't have that stat immediately available.

These are accomplishments that most HOF pitchers did not manage when given twice as long of a career. When you look at the whole body of his career you see that he is more along the lines of Sandy Koufax rather than someone like, say, Early Winn or Phil Niekro. A short period of extreme dominance rather than a long period of solid, if unspectacular, productivity.

I think he is Hall Of Fame worthy based on what he has accomplished to date, even if he never throws another inning in his career.
 

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If Kershaw never takes the mound again, he is still a first ballot HOFer.

EOT
 

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the 2171 strikeouts lack context. It might rank "only" 65th all-time, but his strikeout rate is the 7th highest of all-time. He's finished in the top 3 in strikeouts five times and he's finished in the top 10 in K/9 eight times. So it's not like he isn't a strikeout pitcher.

He also has the highest ERA+ of all-time among starting pitchers (the only guy ahead of him is Rivera).

Easy yes. He's one of the best pitchers I'll ever watch even if the rest of his career is in question.
 

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He's no doubt a future Hall of Famer for the accomplishments he has achieved in his ten seasons in the MLB. It's difficult for any pitcher to duplicate his success, maybe Scherzer, but it's remarkable on how much he has accomplished.

Speaking of Kershaw, he's returning to the mound tomorrow against the Mets. The Dodgers could really use him right now.
 

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He was (and is) dominant enough to get in if he never throws another pitch. It won't be first ballot, but he's getting in for sure short of some insane personal scandal.
 

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He was (and is) dominant enough to get in if he never throws another pitch. It won't be first ballot, but he's getting in for sure short of some insane personal scandal.


No.
 

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145 career wins and he's a sure fire HOF lock? :laugh3:

Sorry fellas, the "Hall of Very good for a Short While " thread is thataway ------>
 

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It's the fucking Hall of Fame for chrissakes, not the hall of I was really good for 8 or 10 years :L
 

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145 career wins and he's a sure fire HOF lock? :laugh3:

Sorry fellas, the "Hall of Very good for a Short While " thread is thataway ------>
3 CYAs and an MVP. 7 ASGs in 10 years. 5 ERA titles. 2 20-Win seasons. 5 200 IP season (in 10). 3 Strikeout titles. 4 ERA+ titles. 4 WHIP titles. 3 FIP titles.

First ballot HOFer. Even if he never pitches again.
 

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He’s the best pitcher I’ll see in my lifetime. I hope he never wears a World Series ring. Ever. Fuck him and fuck the dodgers.
 

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3 CYAs and an MVP. 7 ASGs in 10 years. 5 ERA titles. 2 20-Win seasons. 5 200 IP season (in 10). 3 Strikeout titles. 4 ERA+ titles. 4 WHIP titles. 3 FIP titles.

First ballot HOFer. Even if he never pitches again.


145 wins does not equal HOF. Period.

Sadly the roid abuse broke his body down and he didn't get to enjoy a career long enough to get in to Cooperstown. Sadly for you that is.
 

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He’s the best pitcher I’ll see in my lifetime. I hope he never wears a World Series ring. Ever. Fuck him and fuck the dodgers.
He is great, but Maddux, Clemens, Johnson and Martinez all say “Hi”.
 
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