Seahawks could/should be Super Bowl contenders for real when?

[HaroldSeattle]

I feel there may be some difference in opinion on when the Seahawks are legit SB contenders and this plays into what to do with the QB position. If you feel this is the year then maybe Geno makes sense as it could be a lot to ask of a rookie year one, to come in and take over the starting role without Geno. If you feel it going to take until 2024 or 2025 then perhaps it makes more sense to draft a top 3 QB prospect ( as long as Pete & John feel they can win with the rookie even if it takes some development) and sign an inexpensive experienced QB to maybe start at the beginning of the season and when the rookie is far enough along insert him into the starting role. Geno would be a candidate but seems like he's going too expensive for that role. Lock is also a candidate and he should be affordable. Their are more options if needed.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I'm torn between 2024 and 2025, but want to be optimistic and went with 2024.

 

[MrS]

I think they are still going to be #2 in the division tops next year, even with a really good draft.

if I had my way, we stock up on picks for next year and trade up for one of the top two QBs. we would be a darkhorse team in 24, then we are contenders in 25 with a second year stud QB.

 

[flyerhawk]

I feel there may be some difference in opinion on when the Seahawks are legit SB contenders and this plays into what to do with the QB position. If you feel this is the year then maybe Geno makes sense as it could be a lot to ask of a rookie year one, to come in and take over the starting role without Geno. If you feel it going to take until 2024 or 2025 then perhaps it makes more sense to draft a top 3 QB prospect ( as long as Pete & John feel they can win with the rookie even if it takes some development) and sign an inexpensive experienced QB to maybe start at the beginning of the season and when the rookie is far enough along insert him into the starting role. Geno would be a candidate but seems like he's going too expensive for that role. Lock is also a candidate and he should be affordable. Their are more options if needed.

I think the difference of opinion is that you can't build football teams for 3 years down the road.

A football team is comprised of 53 players. All trying to maximize their career. Playing for teams that are not trying to win, hurts their career opportunities.

So I don't think the team is well served by skipping to next season and not worrying about being competitive THIS year. Signing notable free agents and keeping our own quality free agents often relies on their belief that we are trying to win.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I think the difference of opinion is that you can't build football teams for 3 years down the road.

A football team is comprised of 53 players. All trying to maximize their career. Playing for teams that are not trying to win, hurts their career opportunities.

So I don't think the team is well served by skipping to next season and not worrying about being competitive THIS year. Signing notable free agents and keeping our own quality free agents often relies on their belief that we are trying to win.

Pete always try’s to win ever game no matter the state of the roster, but he also knows how to build a roster and do it quickly, but not in one season. Trading RW signal a rebuild, a rebuild to get back to the SB (IMO). So is the team ready now, next year or the year after? Maybe you feel a SB is out of reach for the foreseeable future? That would be option 4. Vote.

 

[Screamin12th]

I think they have a strong chance to be #2 in the NFC West but thats going to be around a .500 club 8-9 or 9-8 if everything goes their way and they have some luck fall their way ALSO. I don't think they make the playoffs in 2023 and might squeak by and steal a spot in 2024 if they have the defense trending in the right direction. By this time Lockett most likely will start winding down his career and the Hawks will need another strong replacement at WR. If they find a game manager QB build a strong defense and have the pieces in place to fill in for a older Lockett then I can see a run in 2025, a swan song season for Pete Carroll.

 

[flyerhawk]

Pete always try’s to win ever game no matter the state of the roster, but he also knows how to build a roster and do it quickly, but not in one season. Trading RW signal a rebuild, a rebuild to get back to the SB (IMO). So is the team ready now, next year or the year after? Maybe you feel a SB is out of reach for the foreseeable future? That would be option 4. Vote.

For the Seahawks to win a Super Bowl they are going to need to significantly improve the defense AND get lucky at QB.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Too many holes on the front 7... I mean sure if you can draft 3-4 front 7 guys and they all work out, great... but the chance of that is ridiculous... It's kind of when Pete came in... everyone discounted the Seahawks the first year... and despite a crappy 7-9 record, we luckily got into the playoffs because the rest of the NFC West sucks.

We really weren't any better than that team this season... and it took another season to start to materialized playoffs before SBOWL was even a discussion. Carroll probably has one more SuperBowl in him, and it's 2025 - his final year...

Seattle had back to back AMAZING drafts in 2010-2011. We had an amazing draft in 2022... but can we do that again in 2023, and then re-create a culture with a mid 70s coach? Meh.

 

[Screamin12th]

you know what i am tired of hearing? No shark this isn't aimed at you lol
I am tired of hearing how this reminds such and such about 2011 or 2012 type shit. It's a statement said to only make people say OH YEAH and we won the Superbowl the following year YEAH! it's hyperbowl and sensationalism. Sensationalism- the use of exciting or shocking stories or language at the expense of accuracy, in order to provoke public interest or excitement. I'm sick and TIRED of this trope being used EVERY year after 2014.

 

[returnofjakedog]

If this draft turns out anywhere near as good as this last one we could be back there in a couple of years.

This draft is key.

 

[flyerhawk]

If this draft turns out anywhere near as good as this last one we could be back there in a couple of years.

This draft is key.

We still need a game changer on defense.

 

[JMR]

Sometimes things can turn rapidly in the NFL, so it's tough to say. If there was just a grocery list of things to check off in order to become a contender, I guess that would be nice but we all know it doesn't really work that way. Hitting last year's draft for the first time in quite a while was a great step. Now we need to make strides on the DL while not falling off in other areas, and that should give opportunity to make the next step toward becoming a contender.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

We will probably know better after FA and the draft. The Dre'mont Jones signing is a massive step and with likely 3 QBs coming off the board ahead of them, a possible stud may be there with that 5 pick. The LB situation is my biggest concern on D and interior Oline needs to be addressed. Whether in the draft or FA signings. I voted 2024 for now only because I don't think there's any team in the NFC that can compete with the Chiefs, Bengals, etc. Philly will be weakened some but still have Hurts. San Fran has that great defense so still the favorite to win the division which makes the road harder. But the Niners QB situation is still a little bit of a mystery. Does Purdy come crashing back down to earth? What, if any, injuries effect them. Hell, Sam Darnold could very well be playing meaningful games in December. No reason the Hawks can't be in the mix to win the division but by next season be capable of being the top team in the NFC.

 

[Screamin12th]

Jones is a decent signing because he was a good ( Not great ) player who was all over the line. Hand in the dirt, standing up, also he is young and should continue to get better. I see to many people think he is some big time awesome player. He wont be a Nwosu step up but he will be a good player that can play inside and out all over that DL minus NT. This gives them a rotational player with starter experience who is solid but not a stud.

To many of you just a little carried away is all lol. He is unique because of his ability to move around and plays well all over. I like him on the team as he could turn into a boarder line pro bowl player with the right coaching and i like our new pass rush specialist coach!

 

[flyerhawk]

Jones is a decent signing because he was a good ( Not great ) player who was all over the line. Hand in the dirt, standing up, also he is young and should continue to get better. I see to many people think he is some big time awesome player. He wont be a Nwosu step up but he will be a good player that can play inside and out all over that DL minus NT. This gives them a rotational player with starter experience who is solid but not a stud.

To many of you just a little carried away is all lol. He is unique because of his ability to move around and plays well all over. I like him on the team as he could turn into a boarder line pro bowl player with the right coaching and i like our new pass rush specialist coach!

He provides interior pressure, something we simply did not have last year. Of course he is just one piece to the puzzle.

We still need to get a NT, likely to 2 since Big Al isn't getting any younger.

 

[flyerhawk]

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

He provides interior pressure, something we simply did not have last year. Of course he is just one piece to the puzzle.

We still need to get a NT, likely to 2 since Big Al isn't getting any younger.

True, but he is a bit of a liability in run defense, which was why we were punished a lot of games last year. Al Woods is just gettin' too old... great player, but he can't be on the field that much anymore. We do definitely need to address nose tackle if we're going to run this 3-4 thing (and for the love of God stop with the 2-4-5 thing).

That said Jones is one of the younger guys on the list (Simmons and Lawrence I think are 1 year younger). Hargrave is damn good but he's probably peaked in terms of his performance - the Eagles also had a great defensive line in general (granted he was part of that reason but still, the supporting cast was damn good).

I think it was an okay signing. Think I posted last night if it was around $25M guaranteed I'd give it a B range... it's $30M and based on spotrac it's basically a 2 year deal, so I'll keep it around a B. He's not going to overnight change this D, but he will be a good player for 3rd down passing situations or 2nd and long, etc. And he's also 26 and likely playing for the final 'BIG' contract in a couple years, so he can improve and will likely try hard to.

 

[flyerhawk]

True, but he is a bit of a liability in run defense, which was why we were punished a lot of games last year. Al Woods is just gettin' too old... great player, but he can't be on the field that much anymore. We do definitely need to address nose tackle if we're going to run this 3-4 thing (and for the love of God stop with the 2-4-5 thing).

That said Jones is one of the younger guys on the list (Simmons and Lawrence I think are 1 year younger). Hargrave is damn good but he's probably peaked in terms of his performance - the Eagles also had a great defensive line in general (granted he was part of that reason but still, the supporting cast was damn good).

I think it was an okay signing. Think I posted last night if it was around $25M guaranteed I'd give it a B range... it's $30M and based on spotrac it's basically a 2 year deal, so I'll keep it around a B. He's not going to overnight change this D, but he will be a good player for 3rd down passing situations or 2nd and long, etc. And he's also 26 and likely playing for the final 'BIG' contract in a couple years, so he can improve and will likely try hard to.

Our line is going to be pretty young. Bringing in a vet DT makes sense. Not sure what other options would have been better.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Our line is going to be pretty young. Bringing in a vet DT makes sense. Not sure what other options would have been better.

Oh agreed, I still gave it a B grade. I think walterfootball is being too harsh with a C- grade. I just can't give it in the A range. Had it been $16M guaranteed ($13M signing and $3M guaranteed in 2023) like I originally thought - basically a 1 year deal in the worst case, then I would've given it in the A range.

$17M per for a younger interior pass rusher that can move all over the line and improve (with an incentive to do so since the majority of his payout is in the final year where he can be cut) is fine with me.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

I’m skeptical Geno is that leader, although he did show some good stuff last year so if he can improve even more, and our D improves dramatically through the draft, maybe we can make a run next year …