Game Thread: NY Giants vs LA Rams 930 AM/NFLN

[DutchBird]

Quick didn't read the change. QB called fly route because of the blitz.

That rainbow still would have made for an interception...

 

[JMR]

And this should be a safety - DRC not kneeling, but stepping out of the endzone.

Advocating a rule change or just confused on the current rule?

 

[DutchBird]

Advocating a rule change or just confused on the current rule?

Huh?

If a punter steps out of the endzone with the ball in hand it is a safety.

If a returner tries to bring out the ball out of the endzone, and it is tackled, it is a safety.

If the QB steps OOB in the endzone, it is a safety.



Especially the second endzone INT, Rodgers-Cromartie had enough time to give up play (and kneel down), to make sure he had no intention of returning and making it a touchback. Now he stood still, started to shake and bake, and then stepped out. No different than a QB running around and finally stepping out (which is a safety).

 

[JMR]

Huh?

If a punter steps out of the endzone with the ball in hand it is a safety.

If a returner tries to bring out the ball out of the endzone, and it is tackled, it is a safety.

If the QB steps OOB in the endzone, it is a safety.



Especially the second endzone INT, Rodgers-Cromartie had enough time to give up play (and kneel down), to make sure he had no intention of returning and making it a touchback. Now he stood still, started to shake and bake, and then stepped out. No different than a QB running around and finally stepping out (which is a safety).

You're confused on the rule.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

Yeah, on an int, the db can shake and bake all he wants and run around the endzone all day as long as he doesn't bring the ball out of the endzone and go back in. It's just a touchback. He doesn't have to kneel down or anything.

 

[Lions=TeHsUcKs]

Time to get Goff ready

 

[DutchBird]

You're confused on the rule.

This is the rule (taken from the 2016 NFL Rule book)

ARTICLE 1. SAFETY.

It is a Safety:

(a) if the offense commits a foul in its own end zone or;

(b) when an impetus by a team sends the ball behind its own goal line, and the ball is dead in the end zone in its possession or the ball is out of bounds behind the goal line.

Exceptions: It is not a safety:

(1) If a forward pass from behind the line of scrimmage is incomplete in the end zone.
(2) If a defensive player, in the field of play, intercepts a pass or catches or recovers a fumble, backward pass, scrimmage kick, free kick, or fair catch kick, and his original momentum carries him into his end zone where the ball is declared dead in his team’s possession. The ball belongs to the defensive team at the spot where the player’s foot or other body part touched the ground to establish possession.

(a) If a player of the team which intercepts, catches, or recovers the ball commits a foul in the end zone, it is a safety.
(b) If a player who intercepts, catches, or recovers the ball throws a completed illegal forward pass from the end zone, the ball remains alive. If his opponent intercepts the illegal pass thrown from the end zone, the ball remains alive. If he scores, it is a touchdown.
(c) If a player of the team which intercepts, catches, or recovers the ball commits a foul in the field of play, and the ball becomes dead in the end zone, the basic spot is the spot of the change of possession.(d) If the spot where possession changed is inside the one-yard line, the ball is to be spotted at the one-yard line.

Notes: (1) A ball in the end zone which is carried toward the field of play is still in the end zone until the entire ball is in the field of play (3-12-4). (2) The impetus is always attributed to the offense, unless the defense creates a new force that sends the ball behind its own goal line by muffing a ball which is at rest or nearly at rest, or by batting or kicking any loose ball (3-17)

On the second INT, Rodgers Cromartie was standing still, and started to do some dancing, before he stepped OOB.

The moment Rodgers Cromartie stood still exception 2 was no longer in play. And that point he became responsible for the impetus of the ball. Rodgers Cromartie did not give himself up (making the play a dead play). The very act of him stepping out of bounds after having stood still and some fancy dancing (and actually moving forward) made him the one providing the impetus for the ball going out of bounds behind the goal line, therefore it should have been ruled a safety.

 

[DutchBird]

Yeah, on an int, the db can shake and bake all he wants and run around the endzone all day as long as he doesn't bring the ball out of the endzone and go back in. It's just a touchback. He doesn't have to kneel down or anything.

Not how I read the rule, but if this is how it is interpreted, my bad... thing is, how does it account for him being tackled in he endzone (just as a returner)?

 

[bksballer89]

Rams' Fisher: 'We're staying with Case' at QB

 

[bksballer89]

"Quarterback is not the reason we lost," Fisher said from London, after falling to 3-4 heading into his team's bye week. "We're staying with Case."

 

[JMR]

This is the rule (taken from the 2016 NFL Rule book)



On the second INT, Rodgers Cromartie was standing still, and started to do some dancing, before he stepped OOB.

The moment Rodgers Cromartie stood still exception 2 was no longer in play. And that point he became responsible for the impetus of the ball. Rodgers Cromartie did not give himself up (making the play a dead play). The very act of him stepping out of bounds after having stood still and some fancy dancing (and actually moving forward) made him the one providing the impetus for the ball going out of bounds behind the goal line, therefore it should have been ruled a safety.

the rules you're citing explain plain as day why an INT in the EZ is not a safety but a ball snapped to a punter who steps out is.