ericd7633
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Why??
Fun fact:
Harbaugh has the same record after 3 seasons that Brian Kelly had at ND. In other words nothing special. If that's worth a lifetime extension so be it.
Why??
On the other hand, see what Beilein's record looked like after year four....the Football program was only in marginally better shape when Harbaugh took over in the fact that previous coaches had recruited some decent talent. Harbaugh came in and instantly turned things around. The next step is turning us into a national competitor. I think given time he can.
It's a bit different though. In CBB you really just need to be a top-ish team to get into the tournament. Harbaugh has produced a couple of teams that finished in the top 15 in CFB....which is about equivalent to making the tournament in CBB.Beilein took them to 2 NCAA tournament's in his first 4 years and nearly beat Duke in a round of 32 game in his 4th season. That's pretty damn good considering Michigan hadn't made the tournament in the previous decade prior to him getting there. Unless you're Northwestern making the tournament once in a 10 year period is something I think every major program did during that timeframe except for probably Oregon State.
Harbaugh was left with a roster that had the most draft picks in 2017. Obviously some credit goes to Harbaugh for coaching them up, but Michigan's basketball program was in much worse shape IMO.
I actually think it might be better for CFB. Too many good coaches are getting canned after 3-4 years and I think more would find success if given time.This is a joke, right.
.718 gets you a lifetime contract now.
can't be good for college football.
I actually think it might be better for CFB. Too many good coaches are getting canned after 3-4 years and I think more would find success if given time.
It's a bit different though. In CBB you really just need to be a top-ish team to get into the tournament. Harbaugh has produced a couple of teams that finished in the top 15 in CFB....which is about equivalent to making the tournament in CBB.
Michigan had a lot of draft picks after Habaugh's first couple seasons but it's that age old argument of would they have been had Harbaugh not been here? Let's not just pass over the fact that Michigan was 5-7 the year before and 7-6 the year before that. In 3 years, Michigan has more 10 win seasons under Harbaugh that we had in the previous 8 and equaled the number of 10+ win seasons that we had in the previous 10. Our recruiting wasn't bad during that stretch either.
I guess.....but the year Hoke won 11 games it was one of the easiest schedules I've ever seen and OSU was a 6 win team that year. We faced no team that finished with fewer than 3 losses and only faced two ranked teams during the regular season, both outside the top 15. Harbaugh's 2nd year was more impressive of a season I've seen since the 2006 Michigan team; especially given my opinion of the controversial OSU call that decided the game.Obviously it's different comparing CBB and CFB. But the fact Michigan went a decade without making the tournament and beilein made it twice in his 4 years is clearly a sign of him moving it in the right direction. Harbaugh has yet to still accomplish what his predecessor did - winning 11 games at Michigan and a NY6/BCS bowl. Having said that he's still a way better coach than his predecessor, just doesn't have any results of significance yet.
I guess.....but the year Hoke won 11 games it was one of the easiest schedules I've ever seen and OSU was a 6 win team that year. We faced no team that finished with fewer than 3 losses and only faced two ranked teams during the regular season, both outside the top 15. Harbaugh's 2nd year was more impressive of a season I've seen since the 2006 Michigan team; especially given my opinion of the controversial OSU call that decided the game.
Harbaugh walked into a team stocked full of talent. Beilein walked into a dead program going nowhere.On the other hand, see what Beilein's record looked like after year four....the Football program was only in marginally better shape when Harbaugh took over in the fact that previous coaches had recruited some decent talent. Harbaugh came in and instantly turned things around. The next step is turning us into a national competitor. I think given time he can.
I'ts rare if a coach can keep a program on top and producing after 10 years. There is something about the decade mark that tends to see programs start to decline. There are exceptions but in the modern game this has proven to be true for the most part.Yeah, except that coaches get burned out and stop working years before they actually leave in most cases.
5 years out is plenty
I think the major difference is that people expected Harbaugh to be Urban or Saban in year 3. Which, looking back objectively, is unreasonable. I wouldn't call his first 3 years a failure either.Hole was also able to beat multiple .500 or better teams, and a ranked team in year 3, something Harbaugh couldn't do last season. Harbaugh was good his first two years, but I still wouldn't call his tenure a success by any means, given the level of hype and expectation.
That's fine -- except when Harbaugh got here everyone said he wouldn't do well in year one because we had no talent and recruiting talent is different than developing talent. There's a reason basically the same team the year prior could only win 5 games and no one knew a single name from a player on that team.Harbaugh walked into a team stocked full of talent. Beilein walked into a dead program going nowhere.
This is the ideal scenario. What I don't want to do is turn into a team with a perpetually rotating coaching staff. From 1969-2007 Michigan had 3 coaches, all of them studied under Bo and were on staff. That way, transitions aren't a shock to the system.Maybe the first step is a lifetime contract.
Second step??? Yep, Coach in waiting for an assistant.
Just find the right guy.
It will all fall into place.
Right, 2 more wins than Hoke in his first 3 seasons. They bought in on him hard and they're too far in now, so they're doubling down.Fun fact:
Harbaugh has the same record after 3 seasons that Brian Kelly had at ND. In other words nothing special. If that's worth a lifetime extension so be it.
I think the major difference is that people expected Harbaugh to be Urban or Saban in year 3. Which, looking back objectively, is unreasonable. I wouldn't call his first 3 years a failure either.
When seasons are only typically 13 games, 2 wins is significant. It also means Harbaugh has 2 less losses. Apply two losses to any season Harbaugh has had and things take a turn for the worse very quickly. It means a 10 win season is an 8 win season. Or both 10 win seasons are now 9 win seasons. I think you're downplaying the significance of those two wins in just a 3 year span. If Hoke gets 2 more wins in 2014 he might not have gotten fired. In CFB there's a distinct difference between 7 and 8 win seasons or 9 and 10 win seasons. That single game, or two games, is huge.Right, 2 more wins than Hoke in his first 3 seasons. They bought in on him hard and they're too far in now, so they're doubling down.
He's at a blue blood. I don't think that's unreasonable. Hell even Brian Kelly played for a title by his 3rd season and that was with a red shirt freshman quarterback.