Coach_Ed_LPW
Coach of the Year
I didnt know I had a theory. I guess my theory with Stafford is I think he has the arm and the moxy(i love that word) to win, now lets have a little patience and wait and see. When guys talk about Manning for instance in all his greatness or any of the other greats not named Brady, they forget they took time, they had chances. Manning is a great example because he had some real stinkers and there were murmurs of playoff choker.Obviously you have the time. Cough it up buddy. We're comparing Peyton to Stafford here, so let's compare wins, wins vs winning teams and division titles.
C'mon Ed, sell me on your theory.
For instance....his 3rd straight 1 and done exit was a 41-0 drubbing by the Jets. He was 14/31 for a 137 yards 0 TD's 2 INTs with a rating of 31! If Stafford does that I honestly think someone from this board would hunt him down and kill him.
The following year, Manning made it to the AFC championship vs the Pats. 23/47 237 yards 1 TD 4 INT's for a 35 rating. I can see it now, a mob of fans setting up a huge a cross on woodward and literally kidnapping Matt Stafford and crucifying him. Literally.
The next year 2004, they beat Denver, then he put up 3 points vs NEW England...again another shitter.
2005 1 and done vs Pitt but had a decent game, only 1 TD though.
2006, they won the Superbowl, BUT people dont remember the 2 bad games he had in the first 2 rounds that year.
In round 1 vs KC they won 23-8...Peyton threw 1 TD but 3 INT's.
In round 2 vs Baltimore, they won 15-6. Peyton 15/30 170 yards 0 TD's 2 INT's.
Then came the New England game and the drive, which wouldnt have happened had Belichick ran the ball.
That entire playoff including the Superbowl, the great Peyton had 3TD's to 7 INT's in 4 games!!!!
Seems crazy huh? Its funny because I can see this happening to us and everyone talking about how we won in spite of sorry ass Stafford and what a piece of shit he is lol. But the final result changed history and perception. Had INDY's D not played lights out that year...what would be the perception of Peyton right now? Playoff choker?
2007-2008...2 more one and dones.
I bring this up because people keep making the point of well...we didnt win in our 2 playoff appearances. While I agree thats a bummer...I believe it will come with time.
Anywho....on to the question at hand.
The stats you request are tough to find. I found that Manning is 3-9 vs Brady in the regular season 6-13 vs the Pats overall.
First of all Stafford was injured part of year 1 and almost all of year 2.(remember that he was injury prone...hasnt missed a game since)
So in Matt's first 4 full seasons he is 10-6, 4-12, 7-9, 11-5.
Peyton was ..................3-13, 13-3, 10-6, 6-10. 6-10 in his 4th year wtf...sandwich those on with 1 and dones.
ah the question...i forgot.
Division titles...in his first 4 full seasons Manning had 1....Matt ZERO.
Is it OK to compare the seasons that way?
OK here goes.
1998 3-13 1-9 vs winning teams.
1999 13-3 4-2 vs winning teams
2000 10-6 4-4 vs winning teams. With a sidenote...one of their wins was vs your 9-7 Detroit Lions.
2001 6-10 1-9 vs winning teams.
Overall 10-24 vs winning teams in his first 4.
There it is, my wife is bitching she wants to leave the house.
What was the point of all this? I dont know.