In light of the Matt Ryan trade. Once again a strategy employed by the used to be Skins now the Commanders......

[skinsdad62]

 

[Breed]

I disagree. Ryans best years are behind him.

True, Doesn't change what I said though.

 

[Breed]

Aww fuck. That's funny.

 

[Stymietee]

So Ryan has more upside than Wentz?

Yes he does in a very peculiar way! The Colts know what they're getting in Ryan and essentially just gave him a two year deal, keep that in mind as I remind you that this is a make it or break it season for Wince. If I'm betting, I'll take the odds that Ryan will still be a starting QB, while Washington will either be prepared to start a rookie or draft one in 2023. (Upside doesn't always apply to potential, it also applies to longevity)

 

[rmilia1]

I disagree. Ryans best ye

ars are behind him.

Thats impossible to say really. Atlanta hasnt had a decent OL or run game in 3 years. Hasnt had a decent D in 4. Ryans spent 2 years without a legit WR1

Despite all that Ryans average season since his mvp season is still

4400, 29/11 and 95 qb rating

 

[Stymietee]

Wentz had a pretty good season with Indy.

A few games weren't so great but overshadowed a solid 1st with the Colts.

Not bad, however, now he's in Washington the place where players essentially lie in their career graves and scoop dirt over themselves. Wince was in a better situation with the Colts. I don't see how he gets better here.

 

[skinsdad62]

Not bad, however, now he's in Washington the place where players essentially lie in their career graves and scoop dirt over themselves. Wince was in a better situation with the Colts. I don't see how he gets better here.

i agree wince getting better here doesnt look like its happening

 

[skinsdad62]

Should Commanders have let QB market settle before trading for Carson Wentz?

After the recent quarterback movement, should the Commanders have let the market settle before they traded for Carson Wentz?

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old warriors become old warriors by not rushing in

 

[skinsdad62]

Shear panic

 

[chillerdab]

Well, they’re probably right. Sherff left. TM isnt signing a long term deal.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…

 

[skinsdad62]

What do Matt Ryan , MM , Trubisky , Winston Grap Mayfield and Wince need to take a team to the playoffs ?

Weapons , and decent defenses . Not one of them can carry a team on their shoulders , make others around them better , have to be game planned for or are game changers .

So why spend more money then necessary and needlessly burn resources for a guy you need to support ?

 

[skinsdad62]

In 2016 when the Redskins had Cousins, Garcon, Jackson, and Reed, they had the 3rd ranked offense in the NFL...the next season when Bruce allowed Jackson and Garcon to leave, they were 16th. Talent and skill matters.
They kneecapd Kirk and then convinced the fanbase he was the problem. They still haven’t recovered from that.

KC can’t carry a team either

 

[Breed]

In 2016 when the Redskins had Cousins, Garcon, Jackson, and Reed, they had the 3rd ranked offense in the NFL...the next season when Bruce allowed Jackson and Garcon to leave, they were 16th. Talent and skill matters.
They kneecapd Kirk and then convinced the fanbase he was the problem. They still haven’t recovered from that.

KC can’t carry a team either

Good grief. The only thing Snyder n Allen convinced the fan-base of, except for possibly the homers, is that they were and still are petty, vindictive dickheads with no vision beyond what was right in front of their nose. That had no business running a professional football team. Some within the fan-base thought Cousins hung the moon. Others thought he was a guy who put up glossy stats, but came up short in critical times in games especially against top tier teams.

Cuz has been in Minnesota 4 years now. Go ask Vikes fans what they think of him. In all 4 of those years he's had a vastly better offense than the Skins had in the same 4 years. And the Vikes defense has given up less points than the Skins defense in 3 of the 4 years. And what do the Vikes have to show for it? A last second, just throw it up and pray play where the prayer was answered. for a TD And that doesn't happen w/o one of the most blatant n missed PI calls maybe in playoff history. Followed by 2 quick whippins and exit stage left from the p[layoffs

He does have some nice reg season stats though.

 

[Stymietee]

In 2016 when the Redskins had Cousins, Garcon, Jackson, and Reed, they had the 3rd ranked offense in the NFL...the next season when Bruce allowed Jackson and Garcon to leave, they were 16th. Talent and skill matters.
They kneecapd Kirk and then convinced the fanbase he was the problem. They still haven’t recovered from that.

KC can’t carry a team either

This league is quickly turning into one that has two categories for QBs... those that are capable of winning the SB and everybody else. Call it the Stafford effect or Mayfield effect, your choice, but the evidence is clear, one is getting paid the other looking for a job.

 

[j_y19]

This league is quickly turning into one that has two categories for QBs... those that are capable of winning the SB and everybody else. Call it the Stafford effect or Mayfield effect, your choice, but the evidence is clear, one is getting paid the other looking for a job.

That’s because everyone believes that the only way to success is via a “franchise” QB. They are wrong. You do need a capable QB, but can build the rest of the team around a young QB because you have the money to do so. Look to Buffalo, Cincy, Arizona, San Diego, New England, and a few others for the model.

 

[Stymietee]

That’s because everyone believes that the only way to success is via a “franchise” QB. They are wrong. You do need a capable QB, but can build the rest of the team around a young QB because you have the money to do so. Look to Buffalo, Cincy, Arizona, San Diego, New England, and a few others for the model.

I don’t believe that they are wrong in how they type cast QBs at all. Take a look at the list of teams that you noted in your respons, and what they all have in common regarding this sort of categorizing. If you notice they all have a QB, in character,, style of play, and, most important a proficiency level, that each team believes that they can win a Superbowl with. It has nothing to do with believing that the "only way" to win a SB is this and that but what type of person leading them happens to be.

 

[skinz2winz]

Shear panic

Panic? Not really, no one wants to play for the franchise owned by Snyder. Once he is gone, you will see a shift in this ideology. RR is seeing now that his hands are tied and he can do very little to change the culture until Danny boy is gone. Sad reality he is dealing with and NO FA wants to sign here. He had to trade for an overpaid under performing QB just to get a guy, which is merely a slight upgrade over TH. Sad but true.

 

[Niner Outlaw]

That’s because everyone believes that the only way to success is via a “franchise” QB. They are wrong. You do need a capable QB, but can build the rest of the team around a young QB because you have the money to do so. Look to Buffalo, Cincy, Arizona, San Diego, New England, and a few others for the model.

I disagree. Guys like Allen, Burrow, and Herbert ARE franchise QBs, and NE and Arizona certainly think their guys are franchise QBs. Not to mention they were high picks (7, 1, 1, 6, 15).

Buffalo, Cincy, Arizona, etc. all drafted their young QB and tried to build a team around him. BUT, the reason we saw Cleveland, Denver, and Indy go and get established, PB-level QBs isn't b/c there was only one way. It was b/c they tried the "build around the young QB" and the QB was a bust, so it failed. They ended up with a good team, but without the most important part. And that good team was gonna be drafting too late to land them another young QB prospect. So, rather than endure mediocre results under a reclamation project QB or a draftee, they went out and got an established, franchise QB--b/c that is the piece they were missing.

I don’t believe that they are wrong in how they type cast QBs at all. Take a look at the list of teams that you noted in your respons, and what they all have in common regarding this sort of categorizing. If you notice they all have a QB, in character,, style of play, and, most important a proficiency level, that each team believes that they can win a Superbowl with. It has nothing to do with believing that the "only way" to win a SB is this and that but what type of person leading them happens to be.

Bingo!

 

[Stymietee]

I disagree. Guys like Allen, Burrow, and Herbert ARE franchise QBs, and NE and Arizona certainly think their guys are franchise QBs. Not to mention they were high picks (7, 1, 1, 6, 15).

Buffalo, Cincy, Arizona, etc. all drafted their young QB and tried to build a team around him. BUT, the reason we saw Cleveland, Denver, and Indy go and get established, PB-level QBs isn't b/c there was only one way. It was b/c they tried the "build around the young QB" and the QB was a bust, so it failed. They ended up with a good team, but without the most important part. And that good team was gonna be drafting too late to land them another young QB prospect. So, rather than endure mediocre results under a reclamation project QB or a draftee, they went out and got an established, franchise QB--b/c that is the piece they were missing.


Bingo!

Interesting wording and I don't think that there's a call for disagreement here. Yes they are all either "franchise QBs or types that their teams believe are capable of being a SB winning QB. That was and is my original point. Essentially, teams/organizations are now looking at the QB position and giving a thumbs up or thumbs down at the guy currently there in association with how the team is currently built.

 

[skinz2winz]

Well, they’re probably right. Sherff left. TM isnt signing a long term deal.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…

Do you want to see a fan base completely dump their team? Don't resign TM and see what happens. That could be the final straw for those fans hanging on...