Detroit Tigers Ongoing 2016 Thread

[MiamiVice]

see this?Tigers reportedly interested in a Rockies outfielder

 

[broncosmitty]

see this?Tigers reportedly interested in a Rockies outfielder

Hope it's not Carlos Gonzalez.

I'd prefer Blackmon. (They're basicly the same age.) Less injury history and more speed.

But Dickerson seems most likely, just on account of money. Then again, Colorado will prolly try and purge Cargos contract. He would cost the least in a trade, Id imagine. Still, not confident he'd stay healthy.

Wonder what they're looking for? MLB ready or youngsters?

Parra didn't get much, woulda expected more years and more money.

 

[MiamiVice]

Hope it's not Carlos Gonzalez.

I'd prefer Blackmon. (They're basicly the same age.) Less injury history and more speed.

But Dickerson seems most likely, just on account of money. Then again, Colorado will prolly try and purge Cargos contract. He would cost the least in a trade, Id imagine. Still, not confident he'd stay healthy.

Wonder what they're looking for? MLB ready or youngsters?

Parra didn't get much, woulda expected more years and more money.

Yeah Gonzalez contract is backloaded big time so the Rockies are probably trying to get out that. 17 mil this year.. and 20 mil next year. Granted... you are only on the hook for 2 years and his age 30 and 31 seasons.. but damn.. he is expensive.

 

[MiamiVice]

But damn..

Iglesias
Kinsler
Miggy
Gonzalez
JD
Vmart
Castellanos
Mccann
Gose (assuming they trade maybin to colorado in a salary exchange)

 

[MiamiVice]

that lineup would be nuts... completely nuts...

 

[broncosmitty]

Yeah Gonzalez contract is backloaded big time so the Rockies are probably trying to get out that. 17 mil this year.. and 20 mil next year. Granted... you are only on the hook for 2 years and his age 30 and 31 seasons.. but damn.. he is expensive.

He's a fabled 5 tool guy, but man, the injuries are piling up on him. The knees really have slowed him down the last couple years.

I guess two years isn't a huge risk. But I'd hope we wouldn't give up a great deal to take that nearly 40mil on.

Gose, Moya or Collins would be expendable. Not for this potential deal, but for something.

 

[Lions=TeHsUcKs]

Too bad Cespedes wants $150 million which is utterly ridiculous considering he is 30.

 

[MiamiVice]

Too bad Cespedes wants $150 million which is utterly ridiculous considering he is 30.

agreed... i am not worried about the first 3 years or so of a deal with cespedes.. i am however worried about what he would look like at the age of 34,35,36.

 

[MiamiVice]

reports are out that raiders are staying in oakland.. St Louis and San Diego to LA. Wonder how this will affect the A's getting a new stadium that doesn't blow cock. I can't name a MLB team with a stadium shared with a football team that is a nice park.

 

[Howie115]

reports are out that raiders are staying in oakland.. St Louis and San Diego to LA. Wonder how this will affect the A's getting a new stadium that doesn't blow cock. I can't name a MLB team with a stadium shared with a football team that is a nice park.

I don't think you'd see Sonny Gray continuing to carry a sub-3.00 ERA in a normal ballpark. Don't get me wrong, he is an excellent pitcher, but he and all A's pitchers are helped tremendously by that ridiculous stadium with its acres of foul territory. Could you imagine JV's ERA, with all the foul balls he induces, pitching in that park for the last 9 years? How many more foul balls would be playable? He wouldn't have nearly as many wins though.

 

[Howie115]

I doubt verlander gets into the HOF myself.. unless he has 2 or 3 more legit cy young seasons and at least one more great playoff run... but would you really want to bet who would get more votes at this point?

Yeah, Verlander would have to pitch really well until he's 40 to have a shot, IMO. I look at a guy like Bert Blyleven -- 287 wins, 3700+ strikeouts, 3.31 ERA -- Verlander won't touch those wins and Ks, and it took Blyleven 15 years of eligibility to get in.

 

[MiamiVice]

Yeah, Verlander would have to pitch really well until he's 40 to have a shot, IMO. I look at a guy like Bert Blyleven -- 287 wins, 3700+ strikeouts, 3.31 ERA -- Verlander won't touch those wins and Ks, and it took Blyleven 15 years of eligibility to get in.

I think if Verlander won another Cy young award along with a couple more all star caliber seasons he would probably get in... I also think if he won a WS along with a few more all star caliber seasons he could get in. He needs to win about 15+ games for four or five more years too probably with an ERA under 3.5.

 

[MiamiVice]

Once again.. to be clear.. I doubt he gets in.

 

[MiamiVice]

I think David Price and Felix Hernandez are both on the outside to at this point. My guess out of active pitchers to get into HOF would be Kershaw...out of sheer numbers... his playoff performance probably would hurt him. But I can't think of anyone else with a real solid case as a pitcher right now.

 

[Howie115]

I think David Price and Felix Hernandez are both on the outside to at this point. My guess out of active pitchers to get into HOF would be Kershaw...out of sheer numbers... his playoff performance probably would hurt him. But I can't think of anyone else with a real solid case as a pitcher right now.

The Hall may have to re-evaluate "volume" based criteria for starters. They just don't get the number of starts they used to. Again looking at Blyleven ... he had 3700 Ks, but a pretty "meh" K/9 rate of 6.9. He was making 36-40 starts a year in the 1970s. Verlander is at 8.3 K/9 for his career, and he'll never touch 3700 Ks. He has to stay pretty healthy just to get to 3,000.

 

[broncosmitty]

I don't think you'd see Sonny Gray continuing to carry a sub-3.00 ERA in a normal ballpark. Don't get me wrong, he is an excellent pitcher, but he and all A's pitchers are helped tremendously by that ridiculous stadium with its acres of foul territory. Could you imagine JV's ERA, with all the foul balls he induces, pitching in that park for the last 9 years? How many more foul balls would be playable? He wouldn't have nearly as many wins though.

Normally Id agree. Cuz the Coliseum is HUGE!

But....


Grays ERA there last year was 2.82. (15 starts, 105 innings. ) And his overall ERA was 2.73. Batting average against was a tick lower at home though.

 

[broncosmitty]

Sonny Gray career splits. (It's only 3 years)

2015
Home 2.82 105.1 innings
Away 2.63 102.2innings
2.73 overall

2014
Home 3.60ERA 115innings
away 2.51ERA 104innings
3.08overall

2013
Home. 1.99 40.2innings
away 3.86 23.1 innings
2.76era overall

His ERA last year before the AS break was a measly 2.04. And 3.74 after. 1.78 during Day games.

I'm clearly bored.

 

[broncosmitty]

JVs ERa was 4.04 at home last year. With an impressive 2.61 on the road.

I don't know of any site that lets me do career splits. (Maybe CBS, but fuck them. Not giving em the hits.)

 

[MiamiVice]

JVs ERa was 4.04 at home last year. With an impressive 2.61 on the road.

I don't know of any site that lets me do career splits. (Maybe CBS, but fuck them. Not giving em the hits.)

baseball reference does career splits.

Justin Verlander Career Pitching Splits | Baseball-Reference.com

 

[broncosmitty]

baseball reference does career splits.

Justin Verlander Career Pitching Splits | Baseball-Reference.com

Thanks Vice!

I usually only use my phone. BR looks a lot different via your link than when I go there.