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[tlance]

Yep, and it would be so easy to make quality starts a very good measure of starting pitching value. Change it to 6 innings and 2 or fewer runs or 7+ innings and 3 or less runs.

Very sad that as awful of a category wins is, we don't have a better alternative.

Maybe we should invent a stat that is skill dependent.

Something like QFip:

SP gets a QFip if their Fip for the outing is less than 3.75.

 

[TKOSpikes]

Well, so much for that. Scherzer went at 12, Arrieta at 13 (last year's owner)... Machado made it to me and couldn't pass him up. Sale went on the turn, and I couldn't pull the trigger on Harvey. Hope he gets back to me. Ended up going with Joey Bats (real DH league). Hope his contract BS doesn't mentally effect him....

 

[Omar 382]

What are we ranking them by? 5 x 5 standard stats, or actual value? By actual value:
1. Kershaw
2. Scherzer
3. Kluber
4. Price
5. Arrieta

Tough to leave off Sale. He's a close 6

 

[Chef99]

Well, so much for that. Scherzer went at 12, Arrieta at 13 (last year's owner)... Machado made it to me and couldn't pass him up. Sale went on the turn, and I couldn't pull the trigger on Harvey. Hope he gets back to me. Ended up going with Joey Bats (real DH league). Hope his contract BS doesn't mentally effect him....

There is no way you could've passed on Machado. Joey Bats over Harvey? For me, that's a tough call.

 

[TKOSpikes]

There is no way you could've passed on Machado. Joey Bats over Harvey? For me, that's a tough call.

Normally I'd agree but our DH spot makes him a little more valuable than just an OF.

 

[Chef99]

Thinking about Machado...3B is so ugly and such a crapshoot once you get past, say, Seager. Starting to look hard at digging-for-gold guys like Travis Shaw. Huge contract aside, do the Sox really think Panda is a guy to count on? Farrell doesn't seem to think so, but the money issue may take it out of his hands, at least for awhile.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Maybe we should invent a stat that is skill dependent.

Something like QFip:

SP gets a QFip if their Fip for the outing is less than 3.75.

I honestly don't understand the hate of the Quality start stat... It is one of my favorite real life stat...

With that said though I dont like it more than WINS in fantasy... What I love about Wins in fantasy, is that it is a team stat... Just like RBIs and Runs... You SHOULD be drafting with some influence of what team the player is on...

 

[TKOSpikes]

I honestly don't understand the hate of the Quality start stat... It is one of my favorite real life stat...

With that said though I dont like it more than WINS in fantasy... What I love about Wins in fantasy, is that it is a team stat... Just like RBIs and Runs... You SHOULD be drafting with some influence of what team the player is on...

I especially agree with your last sentence. It would be nice to split the difference. A QS-PW (quality start-probable win)... in which a pitcher leaves the game with a quality start and the lead.

Even though a good bullpen can be a difference maker for a draft day decision, it would be nice to keep the potential win for the SP who did well for you. Understand the flip side of that though, where having the pen confirm the win is part of baseball.

...still

 

[molsaniceman]

I honestly don't understand the hate of the Quality start stat... It is one of my favorite real life stat...

With that said though I dont like it more than WINS in fantasy... What I love about Wins in fantasy, is that it is a team stat... Just like RBIs and Runs... You SHOULD be drafting with some influence of what team the player is on...

The hate is due to its a 4.50 era
Greinke had 30 QS if changed to 7/3 it would be 17
wade miley 4.46 era had 17 QS if changed to 7/3 it would be 9

Bobby cox explained it as it gives the team a chance to win cause most teams can score 4 or more runs

 

[MilkSpiller22]

The hate is due to its a 4.50 era
Greinke had 30 QS if changed to 7/3 it would be 17
wade miley 4.46 era had 17 QS if changed to 7/3 it would be 9

Bobby cox explained it as it gives the team a chance to win cause most teams can score 4 or more runs

Ill be honest, the problem is that most people take QS as an alternative to wins... I dont, I take it to test consistant play... I do like QS% more than just QS... I dont know of any other stat that measures consistent play like QS does... At the end of a season, or career, dont you want to know HOW OFTEN the pitcher was "quality"???

The other thing about QS, is that it is NOT ERA... Bringing up ERA is not what the stat is about... If you look at the stat as a separate stat, it really is not as bad you think it is...

You want to complain about it being arbitrary??- well you forget baseball is a game of 3s... 3 strikes your out, 3 outs is one inning, 9(3X3) innings is one game, there are 3 bases(not including home), 3 OF positions, 9 batters in a lineup... In fact originally it was 9 balls= a walk... so making it 6(3x2) innings and 3 runs is very fitting to the integrity of the game...

If you still want to argue arbitrary- then look at the MLB average in runs throughout baseball history, it has almost always been over 3 and around 4... Leaving the game with the hypothetical lead, is very important...

So try to make a clean looking stat that shows leaving the game with the Hypothetical lead, and that is QS.... QS is very clean, very simple... And it is an amazing stat to show consistency... in my opinion it is the most UNDER-RATED, and UNDER-USED stat...

But again, dont love it in fantasy...

 

[DHoey]

Here is how I feel about starting pitching and fantasy baseball. There isn't enough seperation between the best and the 20th best starting pitcher. Whenever they start falling off the boards, I'll grab one and then wait till the later rounds to grab 2-3 more. Last year, I ended up taken Kluber in the late 2nd, then Wacha and Archer in the 7th and 8th rounds last year, and it worked pretty well.

 

[DHoey]

Double post

 

[Chef99]

Here is how I feel about starting pitching and fantasy baseball. There isn't enough seperation between the best and the 20th best starting pitcher. Whenever they start falling off the boards, I'll grab one and then wait till the later rounds to grab 2-3 more. Last year, I ended up taken Kluber in the late 2nd, then Wacha and Archer in the 7th and 8th rounds last year, and it worked pretty well.

Archer in the 8th round this year would be pure gold.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

I think Kluber can be in the conversation for 3rd this season

Hate the Jose Fernandez innings watch, and I have him

A Gut feeling Arrietta will be very good, but I expect a dropoff from his insane season

Not crazy about Grienkes' new ballpark

Really love Kluber and Keuechel as well this season

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

What are we ranking them by? 5 x 5 standard stats, or actual value? By actual value:
1. Kershaw
2. Scherzer
3. Kluber
4. Price
5. Arrieta

Tough to leave off Sale. He's a close 6

Mostly agree....Id actually slide Price off of the Top 5,, push Arrietta to 4 and Sale to 5

Dont love Prices' new digs, and will probably lead to a few more clunkers than the other guys on the list

 

[Brees#1]

I have Arrieta 3, but will not draft him unless he falls to the mid 3rd round.

Bumgarner 4, Sale 5, Jose Fernandez 6 for me.

Well on CBS he is ranked second behind Kershaw and will be first round.

 

[TKOSpikes]

Okay... next batch.

Coming up on 3rd round.... seven picks away. Staring at me is Strasburg, Kuechel, Archer.

How would you rank em?

 

[Chef99]

Okay... next batch.

Coming up on 3rd round.... seven picks away. Staring at me is Strasburg, Kuechel, Archer.

How would you rank em?

Probably in that order. But I love Archer.

 

[tlance]

Probably in that order. But I love Archer.

I don't put Archer in the same tier. Would rather take a chance on Carrasco or Syndergaard.

Also, Kluber at 3? Kluber and Strasburg are very similar. Kluber is excellent, but he gives up a lot of hard contact. The K rates are nice, but he will be more inconsistent than the true elite guys because of the hard contact.

I am all in on Stras if you don't mind taking a little risk.

 

[Chef99]

I don't put Archer in the same tier. Would rather take a chance on Carrasco or Syndergaard.

Also, Kluber at 3? Kluber and Strasburg are very similar. Kluber is excellent, but he gives up a lot of hard contact. The K rates are nice, but he will be more inconsistent than the true elite guys because of the hard contact.

I am all in on Stras if you don't mind taking a little risk.

Even though the gap is closing, Thor can still be had a little bit later than Archer. If I had to choose, it would be tough for me to decide between the two.

As to Kluber, I had him ranked 5th or 6th and that was before I remembered Harvey. At this point, Harvey would be my number 3 rank behind Kershaw and Mad Max.