2017 Texas Rangers offseason thread

[donaldson79]

Seven reasons why the free agent market won't budge

 

[Kelleyman]

More Yu news of course

 

[DT LUNA]

More Yu news of course

To much money at his age for five years. Could easily end up with another bad contract like Choo. IMO it is time to re-evaluate and start putting this team into perspective. Yu alone will not help this team before they get things worked out and before he starts a decline.

 

[scotsman1948]

To much money at his age for five years. Could easily end up with another bad contract like Choo. IMO it is time to re-evaluate and start putting this team into perspective. Yu alone will not help this team before they get things worked out and before he starts a decline.

so don't do anything until we get better

 

[Kelleyman]

To much money at his age for five years. Could easily end up with another bad contract like Choo. IMO it is time to re-evaluate and start putting this team into perspective. Yu alone will not help this team before they get things worked out and before he starts a decline.

Of course the question is if Yu can be serviceable for years 3-5 which is likely window. At 18 million per year or even less then I am all for pulling that trigger. To me it is about value We could flip him easy. Issue now is the luxury tax is driving down prices. Get a bargain while you can.

 

[DT LUNA]

so don't do anything until we get better

That doesn't even deserve an answer but here goes
1. solve Choo's contract
2. improve CF
3. improve LF
4. improve 2B
5. improve pitching in minor league
6. improve BA/OBP
7. improve base running

These things make a better team more that one pitcher unless he is a real bargain.

 

[saddles]

That doesn't even deserve an answer but here goes
1. solve Choo's contract
2. improve CF
3. improve LF
4. improve 2B
5. improve pitching in minor league
6. improve BA/OBP
7. improve base running

These things make a better team more that one pitcher unless he is a real bargain.

I think at the price mentioned above Yu would be a tremendous bargain. If he signs for anything close to that with another team it is going to make our ownership look very cheap.

 

[DT LUNA]

I think at the price mentioned above Yu would be a tremendous bargain. If he signs for anything close to that with another team it is going to make our ownership look very cheap.

I don't mind signing Yu if it's a bargain. My point is he is getting older and with elbow history he could be a contract/ health problem if we overpay. We have so much more to do that any blip will not net much.

 

[Kelleyman]

And more Yu pros and cons

 

[donaldson79]

If he signs for anything close to that with another team it is going to make our ownership look very cheap.

And perhaps inept.

 

[donaldson79]

I don't mind signing Yu if it's a bargain. My point is he is getting older and with elbow history he could be a contract/ health problem if we overpay. We have so much more to do that any blip will not net much.

But overall.....this price isn't an overpay at all......This may be one of those situations where "you're paying to compete, and/or put butts in the seats" all the while knowing you're probably not in WS contention.

 

[DT LUNA]

But overall.....this price isn't an overpay at all......This may be one of those situations where "you're paying to compete, and/or put butts in the seats" all the while knowing you're probably not in WS contention.

Remembering what he turned down with NY does not indicate cheap for anyone.

 

[Kelleyman]

Remembering what he turned down with NY does not indicate cheap for anyone.

Never trust a Yankee! Yu disputed that the figures advertised were correct.

(Although I married a Yankee albeit from Minnesota)

 

[fordman84]

To much money at his age for five years. Could easily end up with another bad contract like Choo. IMO it is time to re-evaluate and start putting this team into perspective. Yu alone will not help this team before they get things worked out and before he starts a decline.

I'd put up 5/100 for Yu in a heartbeat, if I were JD. That's about $100M less over 5 years than I thought he would get this time last year. It's $50M less than I thought we should offer him a couple of months ago.

 

[fordman84]

Of course the question is if Yu can be serviceable for years 3-5 which is likely window. At 18 million per year or even less then I am all for pulling that trigger. To me it is about value We could flip him easy. Issue now is the luxury tax is driving down prices. Get a bargain while you can.

That and the reluctance some teams have to sign players and give up draft picks. We could get Yu back without losing any other compensation.

 

[fordman84]

Never trust a Yankee! Yu disputed that the figures advertised were correct.

(Although I married a Yankee albeit from Minnesota)

Truth!
Who knows what the details of the contract were, and perhaps he just doesn't want to live in NY. Article out over the weekend about Kinsler where he talked about why he put all the Cali and NY teams on his no trade clause...because of the taxes. I think more and more players will start to think that way. It used to be you needed to be on a coast if you wanted the big sponsorship dollars or coverage in the news. However now you can get just as much coverage in Cleveland as you can in NY. Sponsors will pay big bucks no matter where you are. Couple that with all leagues moving to a competitive balance plan and it makes more and more sense to play where you can live for less. In the next decade I fully expect to see a complete 180 from where we were 10 years ago...the teams on the costs will have to pay MORE in order to attract the top talent as opposed to paying less because the off-the-field pay makes up the difference. Markets like Dallas, Houston, OKC, etc where taxes are lower will become the destination for biggest name FA's.

 

[BULLPEN FAILURE]

To much money at his age for five years. Could easily end up with another bad contract like Choo. IMO it is time to re-evaluate and start putting this team into perspective. Yu alone will not help this team before they get things worked out and before he starts a decline.

5/90? For Yu? I do that in a heartbeat.

 

[scotsman1948]

But overall.....this price isn't an overpay at all......This may be one of those situations where "you're paying to compete, and/or put butts in the seats" all the while knowing you're probably not in WS contention.

right now it is more to put butts in the seats during 2018 and 2019 seasons. Hamels, Fister, Perez, Moore and Minor aren't going to do that. competing in 2018 may entail just staying out of the West basement because even if we sign Yu, we wouldn't even be close to competing with Houston, Los Angeles and Seattle with our pitching, defense or offense

 

[scotsman1948]

Bleacher Report ran a poll of where Yu would end up with the teams being the Twins, Cubs, Dodgers, Yankees, Rangers or another team.
Cubs got 26.8%
Yankees got 19.13%
Twins got 17.49%
Some other team got 15.5%
Rangers got 13.16%
Dodgers got 8.41%
so in other words out of 30 teams the fans think that the Rangers would be the 29th choice for Yu only beating the Dodgers

 

[saddles]

Bleacher Report ran a poll of where Yu would end up with the teams being the Twins, Cubs, Dodgers, Yankees, Rangers or another team.
Cubs got 26.8%
Yankees got 19.13%
Twins got 17.49%
Some other team got 15.5%
Rangers got 13.16%
Dodgers got 8.41%
so in other words out of 30 teams the fans think that the Rangers would be the 29th choice for Yu only beating the Dodgers

It seems to me it is saying we would be his 5th choice according to how those polled thought.

Actually, I think his choice is to sign with us. The problem in doing that seems to be our limited 2018 budget.