1990 MLB Draft Playoff Game 5

[Nosferatu]

Please vote for the better team.


TEAM NINE

Starting Lineup
1. (R) 2B- Paul Molitor - .375 OBP or higher in 8 seasons, 3,319 hits, 4 SS at 2B
2. (R) SS- Hubie Brooks - 2 SS at SS, 3 seasons of 90+ RBI, .340 Avg in 86'
3. (L) CF- Ken Griffey, JR- 13x A.S., 10 GG's, 630 homers
4. (L) DH- Fred McGriff- 493 homers, 2,490 hits, 8 seasons of 100+ RBI
5. (L) RF- Dave Parker- 2x batting champ, 2,712 hits, 34 homer/125 RBI in 85'
6. (S) LF- Reuben Sierra- 306 homers, over 2,000 hits, RBI champ in 89'
7. (L) 1B- Kent Hrbek - .367 career OBP, 107 RBI in 84', 34 homers in 87'
8. (R) C- Benito Santiago- 4xSS, 3x GG, 30 homer in 96'
9. (L) 3B- Robin Ventura- 6x GG, .362 career OBP, 32 homer 120 RBI in 99

Bench
(R) LF-Lonnie Smith- 370 SB, .371 career OBP, 6 seasons w/+.300 B.A.
(L) 1B/LF - Hal Morris- .304 career BA, .385 OBP in 94', 246 doubles
(R) C- Don Slaught- .283 career BA, .338 career OBP, .345 BA in 92'
(L) 2B- Delino Deshields- 463 career steals, .352 career OBP, 14 triples in 97'
(S) 2B- Bill Doran- 42 SB in 86', 209 career steals, .354 career OBP
(L) 3B- Dave Magadan- .288 career BA, .390 career OBP, That's all I got

Starters
1. LHSP- Tom Glavine- 2 NL CY, 10x All Star, 1st ballet HOF, 4 time Silver Slugger(Magadan carry over)
2. RHSP- Bert Blyleven- 3,701 K's, 242 CG's, No hitter in 77'
3. LHSP- Chuck Finley- 5x AS, 13 CG in 93', 2.40 ERA in 90'
4. LHSP- Bruce Hurst- 83 CG's, 6 straight years of 200+IP, 3.02 ERA from 90'-92'
5. RHSP- Mike Boddicker- GG, ERA champ, 2.78 ERA 83-84'

Bullpen
Closer RHP- Doug Jones- 5x AS, 303 Saves, 909 K's
Set up RHP- Dave Smith- 216 Saves, 2.67 career ERA, 1.65 ERA in 87'
Set up LHP- Norm Charlton- 808 K's, A part of nasty boys relief core, WS champ
Long RHP- Danny Darwin- ERA Champ, 53 CG, over 3,000 innings
Long LHP- Dan Schatzeder- Good reliever 82-86'

VS

TEAM TEN

Starting line up
Willie Wilson, DH S 1980 28/15/3 EBH
Omar Vizquel, SS S 1999 36/4/5 EBH
Tony Gwynn, LF L 1987 36/13/7 EBH
Larry Walker, RF L 1997 46/4/49 EBH
Eric Davis, CF R 1987 23/4/37 EBH
Don Mattingly, 1B L 1986 53/2/31 EBH
Todd Hundley, C S 1996 32/1/41 EBH
Terry Pendleton, 3B S 1991 34/8/22 EBH
Harold Reynolds, 2B S 1989 24/9/0 EBH

Bench
Bob Boone, C R 1978 18/4/12 EBH
Mark McLemore, 2B/3B/OF S 1996 23/4/5 EBH
Shawon Dunston, SS R 1990 22/8/17 EBH
Jack Clark, 1B/RF R 1987 23/1/35 EBH
Brady Anderson, OF L 1996 37/5/50 EBH

Rotation
Doc Gooden R 1985 24-4 1.53/0.965 16/8
Orel Hershiser R 1988 23-8 2.26/1.052 15/8
JohnTudor L 1985 21-8 1.93/0.938 14/10
Kevin Brown R 1996 17-11 1.89/0.944 5/3
Dave Stewart R 1990 22-11 2.56/1.157 11/4

Bullpen
Jose Mesa (CL) R 1995 3-0 1.13/1.031 62/57/46
Mark Eichhorn (SU) R 1986 14-6 1.72/0.955 69/38/10
Bill Swift R 1991 1-2 1.99/1.107 71/30/17
Church MCElroy L 1991 6-2 1.95/1.283 71/12/3
Mike Fetters R 1992 5-1 1.87/0.989 50/11/2

 

[Nosferatu]

Please vote for the better team and give reasons if you'd like...

 

[Ritzarmy]

Team 9

 

[Nosferatu]

Very little power on team 10 swings it for me.

I VOTE TEAM NINE

 

[broncosmitty]

I love the speed 9 has off the bench. And really like the lineup to begin with.

Ten may have the best rotation. (Definitely did before the Big Unit Trade) but as has been mentioned, no power.

I vote 9.

 

[UK Cowboy]

One of the closest matchups for sure, team 9's lineup and pen are a little better, team 10 has a stronger bench and a stout pitching staff. I'd say team 10 wins 4-3 in another coin toss

 

[mr.hockey4242]

Team 9 only has a speed in a couple spots in the starting lineup but it's at the top with two of the best hitters. I like that the whole lineup has shown the combination of power but also hitting for good averages throughout their careers.


If team 10 provided more stats to show more of the offense it could be tougher. But the vast edge in power then combined with on base ability makes 9 better. 10 also has 2 lefties on the staff and I see team 9 abusing right handed pitching.


Both benches are good. But 9 has the extreme on base and stealing ability that I look for in a good bench.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Team 9

 

[Pack 500]

Team 10 because I think 9's top 2 starters are overrated

 

[wlk3]

As much as I want to go with the pitching of team 10, 9 just has more run scoring ability and it plays out in a 7 game series... Again when you put these teams together and list them it's easier to vote preference... But when you face off with a 7 game series in mind, it gets tough! Only voted 3 games so far but this was the toughest... 4-3 team 9

 

[blstoker]

Sorry, guys, have been without internet since Sunday.

Ii went with ten 10, but I do have one question.

In theory, pitching always beats batting, or at least that's the saying, so why is it that in every matchup on this play off, everyone states that the better pitching team can't win due to too much bat on the other side?

As for power, team 10's 4-7 hitters averaged 40 home runs each during their best seasons. As a team, their batting average is over .320, and all but 2 had at least 1 season with 30 or more steals (2 had 80 steal seasons). This doesn't even consider the the 40+ gold gloves and a pitching staff who's ERA in their best seasons was less than 2.00.

 

[broncosmitty]

On the power thing, only Walker and Hundley hit 40 homers, and they both only did it once. I know we're judging guys in their prime. But I consider that more than just one season. (Not that I don't love Donnie Baseball)
Team 9's 8th hitter smacked 30 homers, once. I didn't consider him a 30 homer type power guy because of that. But his 9th hitter hit over 30 a couple times and over 20 in numerous seasons. (I did consider Pendleton a 300-20 homer guy, because he did it for two years.)
These lineups are the equivalent of All-Star teams and I don't think any pitching staff can breeze thru an All Star lineup. (Im not basing that off AllStar games, starters don't go over three for other reasons.). That said, I think you prolly have the best staff.

 

[Nosferatu]

Team 10 because I think 9's top 2 starters are overrated

Blyleven is not overrated, he had maybe the best right handed curve of all time. He also pitched on some really chitty teams.

 

[Nosferatu]

Sorry, guys, have been without internet since Sunday.

Ii went with ten 10, but I do have one question.

In theory, pitching always beats batting, or at least that's the saying, so why is it that in every matchup on this play off, everyone states that the better pitching team can't win due to too much bat on the other side?

As for power, team 10's 4-7 hitters averaged 40 home runs each during their best seasons. As a team, their batting average is over .320, and all but 2 had at least 1 season with 30 or more steals (2 had 80 steal seasons). This doesn't even consider the the 40+ gold gloves and a pitching staff who's ERA in their best seasons was less than 2.00.

Like Smitty said pitching beats hitting unless their facing a lineup of the best players of the generation then nobody gets through these lineups 2 or 3 times without getting smacked around.

 

[blstoker]

Like Smitty said pitching beats hitting unless their facing a lineup of the best players of the generation then nobody gets through these lineups 2 or 3 times without getting smacked around.

I look at it the other way around. All time great pitchers make all time great hitters their bitches j/k. But still, it's not like a batter will always hit a pitcher just because he's seen him a lot. If a pitcher makes his pitches, no batter will do much to him.

I'm not saying that a great line up can't hit a great pitcher, just that it doesn't just go without saying. I mean, Rickey Henderson is considered a great hitter, but he hit only .115 against Randy Johnson (I use that because he saw Randy 89 times in his career). Barry Bonds hit .306 (second highest of anyone who saw Randy 60 or more times). It's not just as easy as saying, hey this line up is awesome, so it doesn't matter who's throwing the ball, cause then there's no reason to even draft pitchers.

 

[Nosferatu]

I look at it the other way around. All time great pitchers make all time great hitters their bitches j/k. But still, it's not like a batter will always hit a pitcher just because he's seen him a lot. If a pitcher makes his pitches, no batter will do much to him.

I'm not saying that a great line up can't hit a great pitcher, just that it doesn't just go without saying. I mean, Rickey Henderson is considered a great hitter, but he hit only .115 against Randy Johnson (I use that because he saw Randy 89 times in his career). Barry Bonds hit .306 (second highest of anyone who saw Randy 60 or more times). It's not just as easy as saying, hey this line up is awesome, so it doesn't matter who's throwing the ball, cause then there's no reason to even draft pitchers.

You can vote however you want, I choose to think an all star lineup beats an all star pitcher, I didn't hold a gun to your head and threaten to shoot if you don't agree with me. Of course the pitchers matter if two teams both have a great lineup then pitching can and will help me decide who I vote for but I do look at the lineup first and as I've stated before I look at many things within the lineup. I will also give a slight advantage to those who had the best pitchers in this... Johnson, Maddux, Clemens as those guys have a much better shot at stopping a top lineup.

Also, I would like if you changed your three things about each player, you listed like 30 and I erased some of it.

 

[blstoker]

You can vote however you want, I choose to think an all star lineup beats an all star pitcher, I didn't hold a gun to your head and threaten to shoot if you don't agree with me.

So, you don't like me posting stats (cause I'm sure my posting the stats for all the teams in the 1977 draft brought about the 3 stat rule), and now I can't discuss differing tactics without hyperbole? Sheesh, I'm beginning to think that I am rubbing you the wrong way.

I'll get the new stats up as soon as I can, nearly had it finished and browser closed, so have to start over again.

 

[da55bums]

Nos is always picky of how he is rubbed. Heck he has said all star pitching always beats all star hitting, the opposite of what he is saying now. Just wait, next draft he will say, the best bench decides games.


Team 9 offense too strong up and down. Vote team 9.

 

[Nosferatu]

So, you don't like me posting stats (cause I'm sure my posting the stats for all the teams in the 1977 draft brought about the 3 stat rule), and now I can't discuss differing tactics without hyperbole? Sheesh, I'm beginning to think that I am rubbing you the wrong way.

I'll get the new stats up as soon as I can, nearly had it finished and browser closed, so have to start over again.

I have no idea where this came from. I actually liked you posting stats, you posting the stats before is what made me think about adding stats to our team posts. The reason it's three is to keep people from writing a book for each player.

Funny thing, I posted my tactics and you bashed it saying we might as well not draft pitchers but I can't say anything in response to yours. I'll remember that for future posts.

 

[Nosferatu]

Nos is always picky of how he is rubbed. Heck he has said all star pitching always beats all star hitting, the opposite of what he is saying now. Just wait, next draft he will say, the best bench decides games.


Team 9 offense too strong up and down. Vote team 9.

Show me where I said that and i'll leave the Hoop forever in disgrace...