10,000 Posts for a Flyers Cup in 2019

[lasgop8]

Absolutely I am. He played with Marner (69pts) and Bozak(43pts) mostly last year. Assuming he plays with Patrick (30pts, but we expect good growth) and Voracek (85pts), his linemates will be at least as good. I'll be disappointed if "his linemates are significantly better than last year" isn't something we're saying by about November.

As for Panarin, I agree, I would love to have him. But the cost to have him is much higher than signing JvR. According to the CBJ GM, he's looking for a 'now' trade if they move him. So the prospect pool isn't much help unless you use a guy you think is NHL ready. To me, the starting point if I'm Columbus is Sanheim and Simmonds for Panarin. And I probably want more than that. He's one of the best players in the league. So are the Flyers better with JvR, Sanheim, and Simmonds or with Panarin and JvR (assuming you still sign him)?

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Hexy needs to go out and get this guy immediately. Cmon guy do something

 

[lasgop8]

Part 2 of this, the PK. As I've mentioned before, the PK struggles are a coaching thing to me. You can add all the PK specialist you want, if the coach is telling them to leave guys unmarked at the front of the net to cover passing lanes instead, your PK is going to suck. And I fully believe Lappy is telling them that. It happens FAR too often for that not to be the case.

Couturier, Giroux, Simmonds, Laughton, AMac, Hagg, Gudas, Provorov have the makings for a formidable PK group. Add Leier and Raffl as potentially good at it guys. Add Morin in the spring. They have the personnel to have at least a decent PK.

They just don't have the coach.

I have to diagree about the players but not the coach. The only guys there that is a season long really good PKer is Couts and Prov everyone else is good for a few games and terrible for a few games.Even with a good coach those guys just arent that good on the PK

 

[chy1127]

As I've said all summer, I'm definitely worried about 3C. But Lindblom and Simmonds are good 3rd line wingers. Hextall left the door open a little more this weekend than he did earlier this summer regarding Frost. If he takes the 3C spot in camp and your free to use Raffl-Laughton-Leier as your 4th line again, that could be a solid bottom 6. Obviously that relies on Frost being good. Hextall also mentioned using Weal at C, which was a little surprising. But maybe Weal is your stop gap 3C.

I don't think Frost or Weal are ideal for 3C, but you can put together a solid 5/6ths of a bottom 6 with what the Flyers have IMO. Just happen to be missing the most important 1/6 of that.

Hexy wanted Riley Nash, but not at 3 years as he thinks Frost is close to making the team. Unfortunately, he is probably still a year away, but I will stick with my prior prediction that Frost is 3C this year.

 

[awaz]

Unless Lindblom gets much better in his second year he will not be a significantly better player than Filpula as he was a very good defensive forward which he doesn't get credit for. He also had 33 points to Linbloms 6 so id say Lindblom as you say will be significantly better is a huge reach. Even though i cant stand Lehtera i still think he and Leier are even as players so i dont see us getting better in that spot either.

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree there then. I firmly believe Lindblom > Filpula and Leier > Lehtera.

 

[awaz]

I have to diagree about the players but not the coach. The only guys there that is a season long really good PKer is Couts and Prov everyone else is good for a few games and terrible for a few games.Even with a good coach those guys just arent that good on the PK

Giroux and AMac at least have proven throughout their career they can be on good PK units. Even still, maybe you're short some guys there, but until they have a better coach we'll never know if the rest of those guys are truly bad PK-ers.

 

[awaz]

FTR, i'm totally cool taking the opinion that Hexy needs to do more, but to dismiss JvR as 'nothing' or 'not a big add' is just wrong. That's a huge add.

I would've added Nash at 3 years at 2.75M. I think that's a very reasonable contract for him. Helps at 3C this year, helps on the PK. Next year or the year after if Frost is ready and you want him at 3C, 2.75M is not killer for a 4C.

Sounds like Hextall didn't like the term there, but I think that's a deal they should've done too.

 

[awaz]

At the same time, he avoided bad moves.

In the division
Pit: Jack Johnson for 5 years is ridiculously, hilariously, awful. Good for them. And 41 yr old Matt Cullen. OK?
NJD: Eric Gryba. A 7th dman.
CAR: Mrazek. Lol.
CBJ: Nash. Good signing, but a 3C.
NYI: Komarov and Filpula, lol. Re-signing Hickey was alright. Lost Tavares obviously.
NYR: Re-signed Namestnikov. Fine, not moving the needle a ton.
WSH: Re-signed Kempney, DSP, and Carlson which keeps the core together, but didn't add. And lost Trotz.

So in the division, I would say the Flyers improved the most so far this summer.

 

[lasgop8]

FTR, i'm totally cool taking the opinion that Hexy needs to do more, but to dismiss JvR as 'nothing' or 'not a big add' is just wrong. That's a huge add.

I would've added Nash at 3 years at 2.75M. I think that's a very reasonable contract for him. Helps at 3C this year, helps on the PK. Next year or the year after if Frost is ready and you want him at 3C, 2.75M is not killer for a 4C.

Sounds like Hextall didn't like the term there, but I think that's a deal they should've done too.

Who is this post for? I didn't say JVR is a "nothing" or "not a big add" If its for me i will have to say again i dont mind the JVR add as long as he produces the 25-30 goals he is brought here to score because as we all know that's the only part of his game that is worth anything.

 

[lasgop8]

At the same time, he avoided bad moves.

In the division
Pit: Jack Johnson for 5 years is ridiculously, hilariously, awful. Good for them. And 41 yr old Matt Cullen. OK?
NJD: Eric Gryba. A 7th dman.
CAR: Mrazek. Lol.
CBJ: Nash. Good signing, but a 3C.
NYI: Komarov and Filpula, lol. Re-signing Hickey was alright. Lost Tavares obviously.
NYR: Re-signed Namestnikov. Fine, not moving the needle a ton.
WSH: Re-signed Kempney, DSP, and Carlson which keeps the core together, but didn't add. And lost Trotz.

So in the division, I would say the Flyers improved the most so far this summer.

You may be right here but did we improve enough (without any further moves of course ) to make the playoffs and if we do get past the first round?

 

[awaz]

Who is this post for? I didn't say JVR is a "nothing" or "not a big add" If its for me i will have to say again i dont mind the JVR add as long as he produces the 25-30 goals he is brought here to score because as we all know that's the only part of his game that is worth anything.

Mostly SF

But also just clarifying my point. I'm very happy they signed JvR, but still think they could've done more. But, it's more than I expected after the draft went so quietly.

 

[Chris p Bacon]

At the same time, he avoided bad moves.

In the division
Pit: Jack Johnson for 5 years is ridiculously, hilariously, awful. Good for them. And 41 yr old Matt Cullen. OK?
NJD: Eric Gryba. A 7th dman.
CAR: Mrazek. Lol.
CBJ: Nash. Good signing, but a 3C.
NYI: Komarov and Filpula, lol. Re-signing Hickey was alright. Lost Tavares obviously.
NYR: Re-signed Namestnikov. Fine, not moving the needle a ton.
WSH: Re-signed Kempney, DSP, and Carlson which keeps the core together, but didn't add. And lost Trotz.

So in the division, I would say the Flyers improved the most so far this summer.

See and I truly agree with you, that's why another solid player/scorer like Panarin is huge for us right now, our goal tending will be decent to suspect but we could def win games we can outscore teams in. We could take a def stranglehold on the div this season by doing this IMO. Don't sell the farm but do something there's still cash remaining. We could do some serious damage this year, we just have to do one big thing, but a good and smart thing. I think Panarin fits that bill right now.

 

[Chris p Bacon]

Mostly SF

But also just clarifying my point. I'm very happy they signed JvR, but still think they could've done more. But, it's more than I expected after the draft went so quietly.

Again me too, I want a little more to lol.

 

[awaz]

You may be right here but did we improve enough (without any further moves of course ) to make the playoffs and if we do get past the first round?

Make the playoffs, absolutely. They should be essentially a lock to make the playoffs IMO. If they don't, something went seriously wrong. The Caps are the only team in the division I would say are better on paper than the Flyers. The Pens, BJs, and Flyers are all similar IMO, each time has strong suits and a hole or two. NYR, NYI, Car, and NJ aren't a threat IMO.

And I absolutely think they can win a round or even two. With a healthy Simmonds, JvR, Giroux, Couturier, Ghost and Voracek they should have 6 guys capable of atleast 55-60 points. I think Patrick can be included in that group too, and if Konecny is on the 1st line all season, you might be able to add him in there. That's some quality depth on offense.

 

[ill]

At the same time, he avoided bad moves.

In the division
Pit: Jack Johnson for 5 years is ridiculously, hilariously, awful. Good for them. And 41 yr old Matt Cullen. OK?
NJD: Eric Gryba. A 7th dman.
CAR: Mrazek. Lol.
CBJ: Nash. Good signing, but a 3C.
NYI: Komarov and Filpula, lol. Re-signing Hickey was alright. Lost Tavares obviously.
NYR: Re-signed Namestnikov. Fine, not moving the needle a ton.
WSH: Re-signed Kempney, DSP, and Carlson which keeps the core together, but didn't add. And lost Trotz.

So in the division, I would say the Flyers improved the most so far this summer.

Wash lost Beagle too

 

[chy1127]

Looking at remaining UFA Centers and the only one I see with 3C or above talent is Joe Thorton. With 18 players signed and still $14+ million under the cap, I am puzzled why a decent center wasn't signed for 1-2 years. I don't think Laughton is a 3C and even with JVR, I don't see G going back to center. They must think Frost or Rubtsov can make the team as I don't see Lehtera or Vecchione as a 3C.

 

[lasgop8]

Make the playoffs, absolutely. They should be essentially a lock to make the playoffs IMO. If they don't, something went seriously wrong. The Caps are the only team in the division I would say are better on paper than the Flyers. The Pens, BJs, and Flyers are all similar IMO, each time has strong suits and a hole or two. NYR, NYI, Car, and NJ aren't a threat IMO.

And I absolutely think they can win a round or even two. With a healthy Simmonds, JvR, Giroux, Couturier, Ghost and Voracek they should have 6 guys capable of atleast 55-60 points. I think Patrick can be included in that group too, and if Konecny is on the 1st line all season, you might be able to add him in there. That's some quality depth on offense.

Scoring wasn't the problem last year i expect all of those guys barring injury to have around the same amount of points with Gee having less and Patrick , TK splitting those points Gee lost. The problems were size, defense , goaltending and penalty kill. None of which were addressed. I agree making the playoffs should be easy but getting past the first round will be another obstacle this season.

 

[awaz]

Looking at remaining UFA Centers and the only one I see with 3C or above talent is Joe Thorton. With 18 players signed and still $14+ million under the cap, I am puzzled why a decent center wasn't signed for 1-2 years. I don't think Laughton is a 3C and even with JVR, I don't see G going back to center. They must think Frost or Rubtsov can make the team as I don't see Lehtera or Vecchione as a 3C.

When I was reading the Hextall press conference stuff that was my thought too. Frost mainly, I think Rubtsov spends the year in the AHL.

But it read to me that anyone they thought was an upgrade over what we have required 3 years and Hextall wasn't willing to go to 3 years. Seems like 2 was his max.

 

[lasgop8]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/5-observations-flyers-development-camp-014000192.html

 

[JBM73]

But they’re painted in to a bit of a corner goalie wise. And the only real shot at an upgrade in free agency was maybe Hutton. Not interested in a 3 year deal for him one bit.

If it looks bleak come trade deadline, address it then.

Oh, for sure I agree. I wasn't expecting the situation to be resolved at this time, but it's still the reality for those wanting the team to make a push for the Cup this season. It's not happening with the current tandem. Can they get you to the playoffs? Yes. Win a Cup? Pipe dream.

 

[lasgop8]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/van-riemsdyk-signing-could-spell-161813010.html

I like the fact there isn't any NTC or NMC.