Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi (2017)

BPNAZ said:

A line that kylo also says that is a pretty big deal and seems to be a big plot hole or just a hole was him mentioning that he "took some of the students and killed the rest"........so where are the other adult jedi/sith or was that just horrible writing

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i thought luke said that to rey when he was giving her the bs story of what happened......but even so the movie wasnt good. should have used the book canon about jania and jacen solo. instead of just taking some parts of it and winging the rest.

I avoided fan speculation, critics and fan reaction as much as I could so I could go into the movie uninfluenced - completely neutral with no expectations.

Doing so allowed me to enjoy the movie.

I will do the same with IX.

Last Jedi Rotten Tomatoes Audience Score Is Fake News

And reviews are fake news. This is fucking sad. Disney has so much media reach their attacking the audience reviews spinning them as fake aka the Russians.

BPNAZ said:

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Imo having two different directors helm these sequels was a mistake. Johnson came in and essentially gutted 2 major storylines. Reys lineage and the worst of all, ending Snoke just like that. Snoke turns into a throwaway villain for some reason. I miss good ole days when bad guys were bad and good guys were good. This whole inner conflict shit only works for so long.
Once again the villains are lacking and the decent one gets thrown out.

A line that kylo also says that is a pretty big deal and seems to be a big plot hole or just a hole was him mentioning that he "took some of the students and killed the rest"........so where are the other adult jedi/sith or was that just horrible writing

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I was thinking the same about the different directors/writers before even seeing this movie. Different directors is pretty much fine but different writers is a bad idea. It's unclear to me how much they collaborate with one another. I wanted to think that there had to be a few plot points that Abrams had to stick to and set up for the next 2 movies and they aren't just making it all up as they go along, but after seeing 8 I'm not so sure. I guess it's a good thing that Abrams is coming back for Episode 9 so he can finish off some of the stuff he set up in Episode 7. We still don't know for sure if Kylo was telling the truth when he told Rey her parents were just a couple of alcoholic nobodies. Even if Johnson intended for that to be the truth, Abrams can change that if he wants to. Not saying that necessarily needs to be "fixed" but he can if he wants to.

As for the other students, I think we'll see these guys in Ep. 9. We saw some guys standing behind Kylo in part of Rey's Force vision in Ep. 7 and I'd say it's a safe bet that is who they are. Maybe for some reason he couldn't have them around while under Snoke, but now that he's in charge I think we'll see them in the next movie.

Duffman said:

My biggest issue besides the first half of the movie being boring as shit is they didn't kill Princess Leia. Look we all know how good Carrie was in the role but she's dead and yet Leia is still alive. So instead of giving her a big sendoff farewell(maybe have her be the one to suicide hyper drive into TFO) they act like she's gonna be around in Episode 9 which is the absolute worst thing they could've done. Now she's either A) killed off-screen which is a big fuck you to all the fans or B) still "around" but she's conveniently on some mission we never see or just off screen the whole time and is still talked about like she's still there which is still a big fuck you to the fans.

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When Carrie Fischer died they should have just had her die when he ship got blown up instead of having the Force keep her alive in space in that terrible scene.

It wouldn't have drastically changed the story and wouldn't have required a ton of re-shoots because she was unconscious for most of the movie anyway. You had Laura Dern's character butting head's with Poe and the movie basically set Poe up to take over leadership in the near future anyway. She died almost a year before the movie was released so they had lots of time for whatever re-shoots would have been necessary.

I'm thinking they didn't want to cut her scene with Mark Hamill towards the end, even if that technically wasn't Luke Skywalker but just an apparition. I know a lot of fans were disappointed not to see Han and Luke together again so they probably didn't want a repeat of scenario but given the circumstances I think it would have been the right way to go. It would have felt like a lame way to kill off an iconic character but I'm sure everyone would have understood why they did it.

I'm really hoping in the next movie we find out that the Force Ghosts of Obiwan, Yoda, and maybe even Anakin were the ones telling Luke to kill Kylo. Maybe Anakin saw too much of himself in his grandson and would rather see him die than turn to the dark side or something like that. If so, that could be part of the reason Luke doesn't believe in the Jedi religion anymore as he thought it was BS to just give up on someone and kill them off. Otherwise I can see why Mark Hamill expressed displeasure with the direction his character was taking. It did seem out of character for him but a lot can happen in 34 years.

BPNAZ said:

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Imo having two different directors helm these sequels was a mistake. Johnson came in and essentially gutted 2 major storylines. Reys lineage and the worst of all, ending Snoke just like that. Snoke turns into a throwaway villain for some reason. I miss good ole days when bad guys were bad and good guys were good. This whole inner conflict shit only works for so long.
Once again the villains are lacking and the decent one gets thrown out.

A line that kylo also says that is a pretty big deal and seems to be a big plot hole or just a hole was him mentioning that he "took some of the students and killed the rest"........so where are the other adult jedi/sith or was that just horrible writing

Oh and the Asian character and Finn have absolutely zero chemistry.

So ep 9 is going to be all about luke rescuing Darth from darkside and rebels finally overcoming all odds and defeating the Empire



Oh wait.....sorry insert Rey for luke. Kylo for vader and yadda yadda

These aren't bad films, but they feel more like remakes than anything else

There just doesn't really seem to be an overlapping plan here. It's anyone's guess where the payoff is

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It was Luke that said it but I agree. Kylo took a handful and slaughtered the rest. So the First Order has say 3 other people who were trained as Jedi. And as far as I know none of them have had screen time yet. I don't read the books so if I'm off on something cannon I'm cool if someone enlightens me but I can't think of anyone outside of Ren with the FO who is force sensitive. I looked up Phasma and Hux and neither of them had any training from Luke. The ending scene alluded to others who have the ability to rebuild the Jedi under Rey. If there are a handful who follow the darkside that is interesting.

On a sidenote it wasn't really pursued in the movie but with the dark side there is always two-the master and the apprentice. It almost felt like that was flipped here. You had Luke, the last Jedi and Rey his apprentice. Then Kylo apparently has a few followers and time to find others. Vaders worked in the darkness and Jedi worked in the light. But the last Jedi was in hiding for a decade while the new Empire wasn't totally out but was visible enough to topple a regime. It's interesting that this one implies how the good guys and bad guys interact is malleable. It drives it home when you see that the resistance is happy buying weapons from anyone because the ends justify the means. That wasn't explored in the Anikan trilogy (would have been amazing to see him turn because he saw Jedi rule as bullshit and not because he was worried his girlfriend would die) but it would be cool to see Rey realize the faults of her predecessors and find a better way.

Having watched it a second time...

Its much better when it doesn't feel like it's trolling your expectations. Its a great movie with a couple of dumb scenes

What are everyone's thoughts about the new Star Wars movie? As far as specific pros and cons.

As an action movie, its better than Guardians of the Galaxy 2, Thor Ragnarok and slightly better than Logan and Wonder Woman. The editing is good. The choice of color is striking and the movie is visually stunning. The acting ranges from decent to great. The fight scenes are great.

As a Star Wars movie its a bit of a troll job. The movie goes full Buddhist and really denies us of many of the outcomes that we want to see. The 'our time is up and now the new generation has to take over' theme is getting cliche at this point. I dont really think dads that grew up with Star Wars are going to go in with their sons and think that they are coming out with a similar experience.

I also think that as a kids movie this fails. The Rose/Finn love plot is weird and I don't think the movie does a good job of portraying any of their new characters as likable heroes or the universe as something worth saving. Its just a little too political to be a kids movie, too.

I'd probably put it in the solid category. That said, its also probably the best movie I saw in theaters this year.

Yeah, I agree. There were some great moments for sure. The Kylo Ren/Snoke & Rey/Luke scenes were really good, but pretty much everything else was dull and there was a lot of the "everything else". I would've liked to have known more about Snoke before they killed him off as well and would've liked to have scene a head-to-head light saber duel. The only light saber action we see is against opponents without a light saber.

Mike A. S. said:

Yeah, I agree. There were some great moments for sure. The Kylo Ren/Snoke & Rey/Luke scenes were really good, but pretty much everything else was dull and there was a lot of the "everything else". I would've liked to have known more about Snoke before they killed him off as well and would've liked to have scene a head-to-head light saber duel. The only light saber action we see is against opponents without a light saber.

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Honestly, the movie reminded me of Rian Johnson's Looper in theme, perspective and how it dealt with plot and expectations and I think Snoke really fits his style of building up a character only to take him down just as quickly.

Most movie studios today would've taken Looper and tried to make 3 movies out of the idea. I think most directors would've made Snoke a bigger deal.

In dealing with perspective and relativity this really feels very Eastern and very much like an Anime and not a Western big budget movie. Once you let go of the lore then the movie is actually quite good.

The giant laser battering ram scene really stands out as bad but I'm good with everything else.

Uh oh. Russia hacked Star Wars!?

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Half of the movie is pretty great... Half is really poor and dumb.

They completely glossed over the death of Admiral Ackbar. They briefly mentioned it and I'm not saying they had to have a funeral scene but he was a top person in the rebellion and yet no one seemed to care he died. They pretty much treated him like he was a nameless grunt.

Also one of my biggest issues besides the first half of the movie being boring as shit is they didn't kill Princess Leia. Look we all know how good Carrie was in the role but she's dead and yet Leia is still alive. So instead of giving her a big sendoff farewell(maybe have her be the one to suicide hyper drive into TFO) they act like she's gonna be around in Episode 9 which is the absolute worst thing they could've done. Now she's either A) killed off-screen which is a big fuck you to all the fans or B) still "around" but she's conveniently on some mission we never see or just off screen the whole time and is still talked about like she's still there which is still a big fuck you to the fans.

Like pretty much every character in the movie, I'm excessively conflicted.

Duffman said:

They completely glossed over the death of Admiral Ackbar. They briefly mentioned it and I'm not saying they had to have a funeral scene but he was a top person in the rebellion and yet no one seemed to care he died. They pretty much treated him like he was a nameless grunt.

Also one of my biggest issues besides the first half of the movie being boring as shit is they didn't kill Princess Leia. Look we all know how good Carrie was in the role but she's dead and yet Leia is still alive. So instead of giving her a big sendoff farewell(maybe have her be the one to suicide hyper drive into TFO) they act like she's gonna be around in Episode 9 which is the absolute worst thing they could've done. Now she's either A) killed off-screen which is a big fuck you to all the fans or B) still "around" but she's conveniently on some mission we never see or just off screen the whole time and is still talked about like she's still there which is still a big fuck you to the fans.

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These are both accurate. I fully expected to see Leia die somehow in this movie since Carrie Fisher passed away. And speaking of that, the scene where she uses the force to save her own life after the explosion was, I thought, the worst part of the whole movie.

Duffman said:

They completely glossed over the death of Admiral Ackbar. They briefly mentioned it and I'm not saying they had to have a funeral scene but he was a top person in the rebellion and yet no one seemed to care he died. They pretty much treated him like he was a nameless grunt.

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I actually somewhat disagree. The overall mood of the entire Rebellion changed after Ackbar died and the woman with the big nose seemed pretty shaken and there was an audible gasp.

Duffman said:

Also one of my biggest issues besides the first half of the movie being boring as shit is they didn't kill Princess Leia. Look we all know how good Carrie was in the role but she's dead and yet Leia is still alive. So instead of giving her a big sendoff farewell(maybe have her be the one to suicide hyper drive into TFO) they act like she's gonna be around in Episode 9 which is the absolute worst thing they could've done. Now she's either A) killed off-screen which is a big fuck you to all the fans or B) still "around" but she's conveniently on some mission we never see or just off screen the whole time and is still talked about like she's still there which is still a big fuck you to the fans.

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What I would do with Leia is never kill her. One of the few things that Fast n the Furious really nailed was their send off to Paul Walker. He doesn't die. He gets a happy ending.

Leia gets to be a leader of the Rebellion. Its not hard to write for her in a sequel at all. The hard part is going to be keeping us involved with Finn or Rose.

Has Neil DeGrasse Tyson weighed in on what the cold vacuum of space would instantly do to biological tissue?
If they were paying homage to Superman and Mary Poppins, they totally missed the mark.
It felt forced.

That being said, there was a fair amount of humor in this film. From the very beginning when Poe trolls Hux about an incoming communication, there was a lot to laugh at.

There were the obvious homages to the other films.

But, as mentioned, the Finn/Rose romance seemed forced.
A Rey/Finn/Kylo triangle might have led to more tension and conflict.

Great job on the Force/skype scenes between Rey and Kylo.
Great job on having them fight their way past Snoke's guards, though they do so for different reasons.

Reminded me of the Clerks II line that LOTR was just a bunch of little people walking around.
TLJ was basically a ship running out of fuel evading blaster fire until....

The casino scene felt forced.
del Toro's character felt forced.
Wouldn't the Empire be paying the best hackers in the universe to break into Resistance computers/ships/etc and finish them off???

I was a bit disappointed by the movie.
Middle of the pack for me.