Kaep or RG3

jerseyhawksfan79 said:

Too me it doesn't really matter who the back up is, if RW goes down for a long period of time our season is toast.

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What's a long period? Half the season? Then most likely, but what about say 3 games? Is that a long stretch? Or could the back up matter then?

HaroldSeattle said:

What's a long period? Half the season? Then most likely, but what about say 3 games? Is that a long stretch? Or could the back up matter then?

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Anything after three games is putting the season in jeopardy.

HaroldSeattle said:

You keep talking about his " experience". Last season he was playing in a Chip Kelly offense, do you seeing that as being useful for playing in the Seahawks system? The year before his OC was Geep Chryst who tried to make him a pocket passer, that didn't go good. Again I don't see that experience as being useful.
Those big games you speak of was Kaep making huge runs for the most part. Early in his career teams had a hard time adjusting to QB that ran like a RB. He's 29 now and don't expect those kind of runs anymore, think teams now how to defend now anyways. It's always been about his running ability not his arm and certainly not his football intelligence.
So in short Kaep doesn't know the Seahawks offensive system ( and it's highly questionable that he could master it, specially not in one off season). He doesn't know the playbook, he doesn't have experience playing with the Seahawks players. His best attribute is running, nobody praises his throwing, or the way he reads the defense. The offense would have to get changed a lot if he was forced to play. Yet the Seahawks have a QB on the roster, that knows the system, knows the playbook, has played with his teammates both in games and practice, plays like RW lite. So in my eyes that's the kind of experience I'd be looking for in a backup. Boykin is the one that has the experience that is actually useful, not the guy that was successful for a short bit playing like a college QB, then got two coaching staffs fired because they couldn't turn him into a real NFL QB.

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We're gonna disagree on this one.. which is ok, we agree on more than we disagree...

We should have a pole on this.

jerseyhawksfan79 said:

Too me it doesn't really matter who the back up is, if RW goes down for a long period of time our season is toast.

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That's true.. BUT let's take the scenario of Russ going down in a playoff game, would you rather have a veteran step in, or a young player who's never sniffed the playoffs ? I remember when the Pats had that scenario when they won there first title, Brady went down and Bledsoe stepped in and helped them win the AFC title in Pitt... Having that veteran back-up saved there season that year...

boogiewithstu2007 said:

That's true.. BUT let's take the scenario of Russ going down in a playoff game, would you rather have a veteran step in, or a young player who's never sniffed the playoffs ? I remember when the Pats had that scenario when they won there first title, Brady went down and Bledsoe stepped in and helped them win the AFC title in Pitt... Having that veteran back-up saved there season that year...

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But an old ass Bledsoe is still better then either Kap or RG3. Too answer your question, take the vet and hope like hell the D plays lights out.

There's great points on both sides no doubt I haven't seen enough of Boykin to feel warm and fuzzy yet. Who's to say Kaep would even make the team. I say give it a shot we may get lucky.

Always like the way the Packers developed their own backups for the longest time ( Pats also), felt that was the smart way of addressing the backup spot, course lots of ways can work. Just never thought Kaep was a good QB, but I guess opinions vary on that.

I think I'm in for Kaep. I personally don' think he'll sniff the field, except in preseason. Could he be used in other ways to exploit his athleticism? I'm not against RGIII either, as a backup he will barely play and wont' be constantly hurt.

I don't feel comfortable with Boykin.

Well I can understand those that feel nervous about the backup being green, but everyone coming into the league starts that way. I thought Boykin performed very well in few instances he called upon. He very much plays like RW and he's got a year under his belt. A camp where he gets all the snaps that RW doesn't would be extremely helpful. The one but I got about him is keeping out of trouble, that's a biggie obviously.

I'd like to point out a couple of organizations that have I feel know what they are doing and how they handle the backup position.
Let me start with the Patriots. They have a 39 year old QB, so for the last decade the backup QB position has been sort of important to them. So how have they addressed this question? Thru the draft of course. At no point have they signed some cast off, rather they drafted their own, then drafted the backup replacement. Adding draft picks for those they have let go, with another home grown QB to replace him.
The second organization is the Packers. Again they have over time have drafted the backup position, then drafted his replacement, gathering picks for those let go.
Now let me point out a other organization that went the other direction, until last year. The Cowboys, constantly bringing in a "experienced QB" to back up their aging injury plagued QB. Just never worked out well did it. They finally got smart and drafted their backup and my oh my how sweet did that work out.

Food for thought.

HaroldSeattle said:

I'd like to point out a couple of organizations that have I feel know what they are doing and how they handle the backup position.
Let me start with the Patriots. They have a 39 year old QB, so for the last decade the backup QB position has been sort of important to them. So how have they addressed this question? Thru the draft of course. At no point have they signed some cast off, rather they drafted their own, then drafted the backup replacement. Adding draft picks for those they have let go, with another home grown QB to replace him.
The second organization is the Packers. Again they have over time have drafted the backup position, then drafted his replacement, gathering picks for those let go.
Now let me point out a other organization that went the other direction, until last year. The Cowboys, constantly bringing in a "experienced QB" to back up their aging injury plagued QB. Just never worked out well did it. They finally got smart and drafted their backup and my oh my how sweet did that work out.

Food for thought.

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I suppose that's interesting, but there are examples both ways on that. 2 seasons ago a 40 year old Matt Hasselbeck came in for injured Andrew Luck for half the season and played better than Luck did and took the team to the brink of the playoffs. On our own team, Tarvaris Jackson has been a better backup than any drafted QB I can remember. I think it's almost entirely player dependent.

Good points all around...

If Boykin wasn't a dumb fuck and stayed out of trouble, we wouldn't be talking about Kap/RG3. Now the FO has to scramble to find a back up QB just in case Boykin gets susp or worse.

Sawant to Seahawks: Hire Colin Kaepernick

She's a huge idiot. I was going to say I cannot believe she's an elected official in Seattle, but that would not be a true statement.

I think it bears repeating again, let's wait a bit before we rush to judgment on charges brought against athletes by the DFW area police.

chf said:

I think it bears repeating again, let's wait a bit before we rush to judgment on charges brought against athletes by the DFW area police.

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Absolutely. Accusations don't cost a thing, and everyone deserves their day in court.

I think the general feeling of this board on Kaepernick stems from 1) How he has fared against the Seahawks and 2) His decision to kneel during the national anthem

Most of us conclude that Kaepernick is mediocre because our clearest memories of him are his struggles against our defense during the peak of the Seahawks-49ers rivalry. But at our peak, every great QB struggled against our defense. Kaepernick is better than at least 10 of the QBs currently slated to start this upcoming season and would be the best back up in the league by a good margin.

I'm seeing a lot of people nitpicking at his flaws as if we're looking at him to be our starter for the future. If we lost Russ for 3 or 4 games, I would be worried if Boykins can even win one game giving his limitations as a quarterback. With Kaepernick I'd have confidence in him keeping the ship afloat until Russ is back and fully healthy.

As for the second point, this is a topic I've stayed away from knowing what the general consensus on the issue is here on SportsHoopla, and knowing where I stand, but I will say this.

Kaepernick's character should be judged on the intentions of his actions and not what it is merely perceived to be. His character should be judged on the course of action he has taken to follow up his message and should be measured by the impact he has had on the youth with his Know Your Rights camp, the $600 K his foundation has donated to many different organizations, the $1 million he has pledged to charities, and the dialogue he has started with his choice to kneel.

Now, I'm not saying you are not allowed to be offended by his choice to kneel. That's well within your right. I just feel like the outrage that emerged from this has caused people to overlook the growth in Kaepernick as a person and the good he has done in the past year.

We should be appluading someone for supporting a psuedo-terrorist group we call black lives matter? I dont think so.

You just have to turn the tables and imagine your reaction if a white qb was supporting neo nazis, his intentions would be irrelevent.

Word is (just heard it on 710) Kaepernick is in town for a visit. Should be interesting...