Will Lebron ever surpass Bird at the SF GOAT?

[handicappers]

Of course LeBron has passed Bird. he's stronger, faster, better and can take any team he's on to the Finals.

James > Bird > Magic

 

[trojanfan12]

Of course LeBron has passed Bird. he's stronger, faster, better and can take any team he's on to the Finals.

James > Bird > Magic

Love that avi.

 

[handicappers]

Love that avi.

Thanks. My previous one was pretty good too, but some SJW cried like a bitch to the higher up's. Big time liberal pussy.

 

[broncosmitty]

Bird better than Erv?

What?

Nah son, nah.

 

[The Oldtimer]

Pretty sure he already has. The only question now is where he will rank among MJ, Kareem and Magic.

Good point, but MJ, Kareem and Magic were not SF's.

 

[trojanfan12]

Good point, but MJ, Kareem and Magic were not SF's.

Among all time greats. He's already the greatest SF ever to play.

 

[The Oldtimer]

Among all time greats. He's already the greatest SF ever to play.

Your answer is not what the OP is asking. Read the thread headline, it says "Will Lebron ever surpass Bird at the SF GOAT?"

 

[trojanfan12]

Your answer is not what the OP is asking. Read the thread headline, it says "Will Lebron ever surpass Bird at the SF GOAT?"

And you need to read my post. I said that Lebron had already surpassed Bird as SF GOAT (thus answering the OP's question) and that it's just a matter of where he ranks among MJ, Kareem and Magic (thus stating that all that's left is where he finishes on the all time list).

 

[The Oldtimer]

And you need to read my post. I said that Lebron had already surpassed Bird as SF GOAT (thus answering the OP's question) and that it's just a matter of where he ranks among MJ, Kareem and Magic (thus stating that all that's left is where he finishes on the all time list).

Fair enough, but IMO LBJ has a way to go to just be ranked as high as KOBE. James has to win at least three more NBA titles to be ever mentioned in the same breath as MJ, Kareem, Magic or Kobe. It's really hard to compare James to either one of the names I mentioned, because they all played different positions than James.

 

[trojanfan12]

Fair enough, but IMO LBJ has a way to go to just be ranked as high as KOBE. James has to win at least three more NBA titles to be ever mentioned in the same breath as MJ, Kareem, Magic or Kobe. It's really hard to compare James to either one of the names I mentioned, because they all played different positions than James.

They all played different positions from each other too. The all time list is about the GOAT, regardless of position.

As for Kobe, I don't have him in my top 5 all time.

 

[The Oldtimer]

They all played different positions from each other too. The all time list is about the GOAT, regardless of position.

As for Kobe, I don't have him in my top 5 all time.

Fair enough. I have seen many great players in my lifetime and it is real hard for me to come up with my top five GOAT. I've seen Oscar Robertson play and at the time, I thought he was the GOAT. Then I saw Wilt play and thought the same, but the game has changed so much over the the past 50 years.

 

[trojanfan12]

Fair enough. I have seen many great players in my lifetime and it is real hard for me to come up with my top five GOAT. I've seen Oscar Robertson play and at the time, I thought he was the GOAT. Then I saw Wilt play and thought the same, but the game has changed so much over the the past 50 years.

You and I must be fairly close to the same age. I started following the NBA in 1970 when I was 8. Saw all of those same players.

 

[The Oldtimer]

You and I must be fairly close to the same age. I started following the NBA in 1970 when I was 8. Saw all of those same players.

Actually I started watching basketball in the 50's.

 

[The Oldtimer]

You and I must be fairly close to the same age. I started following the NBA in 1970 when I was 8. Saw all of those same players.

You missed probably one of the GOAT in Elgin Baylor.

As a rookie in 1958–59, Baylor finished fourth in the league in scoring (24.9 points per game), third in rebounding (15.0 rebounds per game), and eighth in assists (4.1 assists per game). He registered 55 points in a single game, then the third-highest mark in league history behind Joe Fulks' 63 and Mikan's 61. Baylor won the NBA Rookie of the Year Award and led the Lakers from last place the previous year to the NBA finals, where they lost to the Boston Celtics in the first four-game sweep in finals history. Thus began the greatest rivalry in the history of the NBA. During his career, Baylor helped lead the Lakers to the NBA Finals seven more times.

From the 1960–61 to the 1962–63 seasons, Baylor averaged 34.8, 38.3 and 34.0 points per game, respectively. On November 15 of the 1960–61 season, Baylor set a new NBA scoring record when he scored 71 points in a victory against the New York Knicks while grabbing 25 rebounds. In doing so, Baylor had broken his own NBA record of 64 points that he had set in the previous season. Baylor, a United States Army Reservist, was called toactive duty during the 1961–62 season, and being stationed in Washington state, he could play for the Lakers only when on a weekend pass. Despite playing only 48 games during the 1961–62 season, he still managed to score over 1,800 points. Later that season, in a game five NBA Finals victory against the Boston Celtics, Baylor grabbed 22 rebounds and set the still-standing NBA record for points in an NBA Finals game with 61.

 

[larryjohn]

You missed probably one of the GOAT in Elgin Baylor.

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From the 1960–61 to the 1962–63 seasons, Baylor averaged 34.8, 38.3 and 34.0 points per game, respectively.

I think the 61-62 season is when he was doing active Army duty so would only play on the weekends -- so he only played about 1/2 the games -- and could never practice. And he still averaged 38 points/game.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

No. Lebron will never surpass Bird

#jumpfromoneteamtothenext

 

[HuskerCradle2Grave]

Do you really think a hand check is stopping Lebron with a full head of steam??? I mean seriously. This isn't Mike Bibby. Like I said from the defensive side, this helps him more...offensively it isn't going to affect him as much as YOU think. But this is coming from the guy that facepalms every post about Lebron and has a hatred for him so I understand your extreme bias.

You are a fucking moron. You don't get a full head of steam playing against hand checks. You play with your back to the basket. Talk about never playing the game.

 

[HuskerCradle2Grave]

Also,

Pretty funny that you specifically mention Ehlo vs. Jordan as an example of "successful" hand checking. 6 of MJ's 34 career 50 point games came against Ehlo including his career high of 69. Nobother opponent yielded more than 4.

Do you know why?

 

[HuskerCradle2Grave]

Do you really think a hand check is stopping Lebron with a full head of steam??? I mean seriously. This isn't Mike Bibby. Like I said from the defensive side, this helps him more...offensively it isn't going to affect him as much as YOU think. But this is coming from the guy that facepalms every post about Lebron and has a hatred for him so I understand your extreme bias.

Nah, I don't hate LBJ. Just people that can't get his dick out of their mouths...

 

[tlance]

Do you know why?

Yes.

Jordan owned Ehlo.

The only reason Ehlo guarded him was because the Cavs had no one to else match up with him. And Ehlo played the same position. If they had somebody who could have remotely contained MJ, they would have beaten the Bulls. Price, Nance, Daugherty and WIlliams were really good. Ehlo was a solid overall player but not good enough.

In fact, if the Cavs has simply kept Ron Harper instead of trading him to the Clips for Danny ferry in 1989, they would have had everything they needed to beat the Bulls and win championships. Ehlo would have been their 6th man instead of the one tasked with guarding MJ for 35 minutes and Harper had the athleticism to provide much more resistance and make Jordan work on D.