LeBron needs more help

[tducey]

Yeah, the Cavs do need help. They really seem off as of late. Got to think a big move is coming sooner rather than later.

 

[larryjohn]

Or get a young PG from via FA or trade. Bulls found Jerian Grant and MCW. Playing behind Kyrie everyday and guarding him in practice would make most PGs better.

The Bulls didn't just "find" them -- they traded Snell for MCW and Grant was part of the Rose trade.

Cleveland doesn't really have assets to get someone like MCW.

Also, the Cavs don't know if a decent backup PG will be released at some point. (but risky to depend on that)

 

[WiggyRuss]

The Bulls didn't just "find" them -- they traded Snell for MCW and Grant was part of the Rose trade.

Cleveland doesn't really have assets to get someone like MCW.

Also, the Cavs don't know if a decent backup PG will be released at some point. (but risky to depend on that)

its a great point.

its not like the Cavs can force a team to trade them a PG just because LeBron wants one.

Griffin is burning up the phones and has checked on AT LEAST Nelson, DWilliams, McConnell, Mack etc--- but all these teams have ZERO incentive to make a deal before the trade deadline- especially to the Cavs who dont have much to offer.

Lets hope that as the trade deadline gets closer- some teams fall out of playoff contention, and some guys get bought out.

Deron Williams getting bought out would be ideal in my book....but Dallas is his home so i kinda doubt it.

it just sucks so many teams are still in playoff contention and no one is moving a veteran point guard. It is DEFINITELY a sellers market at this point.

 

[SJ76]

The Bulls didn't just "find" them -- they traded Snell for MCW and Grant was part of the Rose trade.

Cleveland doesn't really have assets to get someone like MCW.

Also, the Cavs don't know if a decent backup PG will be released at some point. (but risky to depend on that)

Apparently you didn't read where I said via FA or trade. Cavs have any picks to trade? Going all in on Mo Williams as a backup at 34 just screams out problem.

 

[larryjohn]

Apparently you didn't read where I said via FA or trade. Cavs have any picks to trade? Going all in on Mo Williams as a backup at 34 just screams out problem.

Cavs next first round pick is something like Y2021. And a second rounder from a good team doesn't get you much.

The best they have to offer is something like Liggins + a 2nd rounder -- which is what supposedly Sixers turned down for McConnell. (who is playing great) I don't think that would get much.

I don't think they can give up Frye -- Love is out -- that would leave TT as the only big. (rumors are they may sign a D-leaguer from Canton as a big)

 

[WiggyRuss]

Cavs next first round pick is something like Y2021. And a second rounder from a good team doesn't get you much.

The best they have to offer is something like Liggins + a 2nd rounder -- which is what supposedly Sixers turned down for McConnell. (who is playing great) I don't think that would get much.

I don't think they can give up Frye -- Love is out -- that would leave TT as the only big. (rumors are they may sign a D-leaguer from Canton as a big)

from what i understand their best asset- and what Atlanta actually wanted more than the 2019 first round pick- is a former late first rounder of the Cavs- Cedi Osman- who is stashed overseas. That is their best trade asset- but they really dont want to give him up as they think he can be a good-cheap developmental player that wants to come over to the NBA next season. They have had him stashed for a couple years and his value has been increasing.

They arent gonna give up someone like Osman- who they have under control for cheap for 3 years- for a vet. backup point guard who wont even likely play many postseason minutes.

 

[larryjohn]

from what i understand their best asset- and what Atlanta actually wanted more than the 2019 first round pick- is a former late first rounder of the Cavs- Cedi Osman- who is stashed overseas. That is their best trade asset- but they really dont want to give him up as they think he can be a good-cheap developmental player that wants to come over to the NBA next season. They have had him stashed for a couple years and his value has been increasing.

They arent gonna give up someone like Osman- who they have under control for cheap for 3 years- for a vet. backup point guard who wont even likely play many postseason minutes.

Cleveland can't trade the 2019 pick -- right ? (trivia question -- who's fault is that ?)

I screwed up an earlier post -- I think Cleveland does have a first rounder in 2019 -- they just can't trade it.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Cleveland can't trade the 2019 pick -- right ? (trivia question -- who's fault is that ?)

I screwed up an earlier post -- I think Cleveland does have a first rounder in 2019 -- they just can't trade it.

they dont...they just dealt it to Atlanta- the 2019 first rounder for Korver.

previously- they DID have a 2017 and 2019 first round pick....they dealt their 2017 pick to Portland to get their 2018 pick back- which opened them up to trade their 2019 pick- which they did to Atlanta

so they do have a 2018 first rounder, but they cant trade it becuase they have already dealt their 2019 pick, and you cant trade 1st rounders in consecutive years.

 

[SJ76]

Cavs next first round pick is something like Y2021. And a second rounder from a good team doesn't get you much.

The best they have to offer is something like Liggins + a 2nd rounder -- which is what supposedly Sixers turned down for McConnell. (who is playing great) I don't think that would get much.

I don't think they can give up Frye -- Love is out -- that would leave TT as the only big. (rumors are they may sign a D-leaguer from Canton as a big)

Talk about mortgaging the farm. If Lebron loses this year and leaves, he's going to really leave the Cavs organization in a brutal spot. Regardless they are in a tough spot.

 

[SJ76]

Just another reason why this super team BS is not good for the entire league.



I just can't imagine Ewing leaving the Knicks after he got beat and joining the Bulls.

 

[larryjohn]

they dont...they just dealt it to Atlanta- the 2019 first rounder for Korver.

previously- they DID have a 2017 and 2019 first round pick....they dealt their 2017 pick to Portland to get their 2018 pick back- which opened them up to trade their 2019 pick- which they did to Atlanta

so they do have a 2018 first rounder, but they cant trade it becuase they have already dealt their 2019 pick, and you cant trade 1st rounders in consecutive years.

Thanks -- clears it up.

 

[larryjohn]

Talk about mortgaging the farm. If Lebron loses this year and leaves, he's going to really leave the Cavs organization in a brutal spot. Regardless they are in a tough spot.

That is the risk. But they have 1 championship -- so I think Cavs fans would say it is worth it. (even if some ugly losing seasons in future) If they get 1 more -- definitely worth it.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Talk about mortgaging the farm. If Lebron loses this year and leaves, he's going to really leave the Cavs organization in a brutal spot. Regardless they are in a tough spot.

he cant leave after this year first of all

2nd of all....having Kyrie and Love signed up long term at very team-friendly deals gives the Cavs a good base to work off of even if LeBron died in a plane crash tomorrow.

 

[Pastafazul]

lebron needs more cowbell

 

[lebron23james]

Not enough allstars or playmakers on the Cavaliers. He needs more.

They need to add someone like....Durant

 

[lebron23james]

I don't understand how LeBron could possibly be upset with Gilbert. He has such deep pockets and does not care at all about spending.

What is really funny is that some on here claimed that the reason LeBron left Miami was Arison's failure to use a trade exception to get deeper into the luxury tax. Gilbert has time still, but he could be on the verge of doing the exact same thing this year.

I have to agree, i think lebron is just starting drama, or is truly mad at the back up pg situation....I mean he has mentioned it a few times....

I think that is what he really ment when he said he wanted more help

That little 5' 8 guy is not going to cut it, and would be a joke seeing him out there in the playoffs or the finals

 

[trojanfan12]

I think Griffin is just waiting for the best deal. I'd expect something by the trading deadline -- he would be rolling the dice not to make a move by the trade deadline and depend upon a solid player being dropped.

I think they need another big just as much as a backup PG. They have bench guys who can play PG. After Frye -- they have zero big guys. (I wouldn't call James Jones a big guy.)

I think they need a couple of players -- not for the playoffs -- but to use up minutes in the regular season.

Agree. It would also help them more if they could get a guy who can be a solid defender while using up some of those minutes.

 

[trojanfan12]

When it comes to his arguments with @tlance , his vendetta takes precedence over what's actually being debated.

Sometimes you just gotta.....

Seems he has a vendetta of sort or another with just about everyone. I'm betting he's been given lots of wedgies in his life.

 

[trojanfan12]

Do you not know what it means when you're on ignore? I don't think you do. Quoting T-Lance makes no sense because he can't see anything you're writing

And he has the audacity to question the intelligence of others.

 

[msgkings322]

That is the risk. But they have 1 championship -- so I think Cavs fans would say it is worth it. (even if some ugly losing seasons in future) If they get 1 more -- definitely worth it.

Yeah there's no doubt that cursed sports city considers it a win no matter how bad the Cavs suck going forward. Or they should anyway.