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[Sharkinva]

I will just say it like this... Scherff and apparently Murphy have both shown the versatility to be able to play more than one position. Moses never unseated Scherff for the RT position. It was determined that Scherff at RG with Moses at RT was a better option than Long starting. And odds are pretty good that had Spencer Long shown to be capable of starting for reasons other than Injury, Moses would have been a backup. Sure we lucked up in that the entire league saw him as no better than a 3rd rounder.

 

[Sportster 72]

Getting tired of this accusation that I am not reading the posts. You said, and I quote, "You seem to want everyone to say you are right. That just isn't going to happen for you or anyone else on the board". And that is exactly what I replied to.

You think it was easy for me to man up and admit to Dad that he was right on the Scherff pick? Well actually it was because I have no problem admitting when I was wrong and giving credit to others. But because Dean apparently has a posting style that irritates some of you can't seem to give credit where credit is due.

And I'm being called immature. Yeah, OK.

Once again you are having trouble with reading comprehension. I did not call you immature. Probably a big reason why there is so much bickering, people read what they want to instead of what is written. I don't even say I think dean is right or wrong ... I presented different ways to look at things but some people are too hung up on being right and others ... well hell I do not know what your issue is or why you felt the need to defend dean. He seems capable to me.

So here is a different way of saying this ... most often you do not draft a guard with the No. 5 pick. If the guy becomes a 10 year starter than it wasn't a wasted pick. Most often centers are not drafted in the 1st round either. I do not care what round either was drafted, if they are filling a need and even more if they are doing it well than that is all I care about. If they had drafted Kelly and he was a 10 year starter I would have loved it. Besides what Irishman wouldn't want another Irishman on the team.

Murphy isn't going to the DL because he lost his job to Smith, he lost his job to Galette. Smith is still the backup. The guy has played well for the team. Moses has played well for the team. Why does anyone need to be right or wrong.

If you want me to admit to right and wrongs I was right about Cousins (or seems I was), I was right about Griffin and wrong about Russell Wilson.

If you want to know I am in for Ioannidis and Cravens. Although I didn't know a thing about Cravens before the draft. I am officially on record now. I have no clue what round they should have been drafted in though.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Once again you are having trouble with reading comprehension. I did not call you immature. Probably a big reason why there is so much bickering, people read what they want to instead of what is written. I don't even say I think dean is right or wrong ... I presented different ways to look at things but some people are too hung up on being right and others ... well hell I do not know what your issue is or why you felt the need to defend dean. He seems capable to me.

So here is a different way of saying this ... most often you do not draft a guard with the No. 5 pick. If the guy becomes a 10 year starter than it wasn't a wasted pick. Most often centers are not drafted in the 1st round either. I do not care what round either was drafted, if they are filling a need and even more if they are doing it well than that is all I care about. If they had drafted Kelly and he was a 10 year starter I would have loved it. Besides what Irishman wouldn't want another Irishman on the team.

Murphy isn't going to the DL because he lost his job to Smith, he lost his job to Galette. Smith is still the backup. The guy has played well for the team. Moses has played well for the team. Why does anyone need to be right or wrong.

If you want me to admit to right and wrongs I was right about Cousins (or seems I was), I was right about Griffin and wrong about Russell Wilson.

If you want to know I am in for Ioannidis and Cravens. Although I didn't know a thing about Cravens before the draft. I am officially on record now. I have no clue what round they should have been drafted in though.

I never claimed you called me immature. But someone else did so I'm simply using it in my argument. I didn't make it up, it wasn't a matter of me reading what I wanted to read, it was right there and it was directed at me. It was you who assumed incorrectly that I was quoting you. And you most certainly said nobody will be told when they were right on this board and again I think that's nonsense.


Back to football I don't want to go back to Scherff anymore, he is a good player and we're all happy. The point remains Dean favored Moses over Murphy, apparently caught crap over it, and right now it appears as if Moses is the more productive player. Some of you who gave him crap about it apparently can't handle it when he points this out and that's just wrong IMO.

 

[Sportster 72]

Getting tired of this accusation that I am not reading the posts. You said, and I quote, "You seem to want everyone to say you are right. That just isn't going to happen for you or anyone else on the board". And that is exactly what I replied to.

You think it was easy for me to man up and admit to Dad that he was right on the Scherff pick? Well actually it was because I have no problem admitting when I was wrong and giving credit to others. But because Dean apparently has a posting style that irritates some of you can't seem to give credit where credit is due.

And I'm being called immature. Yeah, OK.

I never claimed you called me immature. But someone else did so I'm simply using it in my argument. I didn't make it up, it wasn't a matter of me reading what I wanted to read, it was right there and it was directed at me. It was you who assumed incorrectly that I was quoting you.

When I get a little "Alert" and see you quoted me I assume you are using my quote for reference. If I do not intend on directing my message to one person I do not use the quote. Doesn't mean I am right or wrong just explains how I do it and my thinking.

Here's to hoping everyone has a good weekend. The right, the wrong and the opinionated. Only a month to go until training camp. Meanwhile I am going to eat a mess of crabs tomorrow.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

When I get a little "Alert" and see you quoted me I assume you are using my quote for reference. If I do not intend on directing my message to one person I do not use the quote. Doesn't mean I am right or wrong just explains how I do it and my thinking.

Here's to hoping everyone has a good weekend. The right, the wrong and the opinionated. Only a month to go until training camp. Meanwhile I am going to eat a mess of crabs tomorrow.

Oh man, I'm headed to a friend's house in a few hours on the eastern shore on the water. We are going crabbing all day tomorrow and I'll be eating them until I puke.

Have a good one eh?

 

[deanpet21]

He didn't unseat the fifth pick. The fifth pick transitioned to another position and excelled.

He was obviously a third round PROSPECT coming out of college because 32 teams didn't take him in the first or second round. Moses had talent coming out of college but he also had flags that made him a third round PROSPECT.

Scherff was never drafted to be Trent. We already had Trent. LT is far different than every other position on the line.

He made the 5th overall pick change positions. Moses deserves credit for that. If Moses failed you and Shark would have been all over me about Moses. Scherff was drafted at draft time to be the best OT in the draft. When that happens he is held to a much higher standard than Moses was. He was picked #5 overall and Trent was picked #4 overall. So there talent level should be about the same. It is not. Now Scherf is a OG which he is excelling at. I have no problem with that.

 

[deanpet21]

I will just say it like this... Scherff and apparently Murphy have both shown the versatility to be able to play more than one position. Moses never unseated Scherff for the RT position. It was determined that Scherff at RG with Moses at RT was a better option than Long starting. And odds are pretty good that had Spencer Long shown to be capable of starting for reasons other than Injury, Moses would have been a backup. Sure we lucked up in that the entire league saw him as no better than a 3rd rounder.

Bullshit. So if Scherff dominated at RT in training camp would have he been moved? Why cant you admit that you and gk were wrong about Moses? I don't even want to start on Long. Murphy had to gain 40 pounds to switch to the DE position and he is still small for the position.

 

[skinsdad62]

the only BS here is you dean . the coaching staff said exactly what shark and others have said . the freaking coaching staff said it let that sink in really really well the coaching staff said it , they wanted the best 5 o/lineman on the field and long was the weak link

no one knew what moses would be after his 1st year injury . he didnt participate in any off season work . when he got to TC the staff noticed he wasnt the train wreck he was in year one .

so the stafff decided long wasnt a starting LG so what do they do ? do you take your versatile 1st round pick and move him to RG and plug in the way less versatile RT in there or do you leave sherf at RT and make 2 guys on the right side learn 2 new positions ?

the skins chose the former

now the skins want to use smith as the 3 tech guy on 3rd down making him learn a new position . does that make him a bust ? he changed positions to better the team just as sherf and murphy have done but what you dont seem to get

murphy was a d/lineman by trade at stanford . and he learned to play OLB . he was serviceable and his career matches up with his 2nd round peers as i have shown above

 

[Sharkinva]

Bullshit. So if Scherff dominated at RT in training camp would have he been moved? Why cant you admit that you and gk were wrong about Moses? I don't even want to start on Long. Murphy had to gain 40 pounds to switch to the DE position and he is still small for the position.

See Dean, this is the thing your man crush does not let you accept. Scherff didnt have to DOMINATE in all of eight days. And Moses surely didnt dominate a fucking soul in eithe camp or during the season. But lets go by your logic. Lets say Scherff dominated, and long still showed to be nothing more than an emergency backup... how does it help the team to have two dominant tackles and question marks at Center and Guard?? Moses got the start because moving Scherff inside and having an average Moses at RT was a better option than Having Scherff on the outside learning to play RT, and a less than stellar Long next to him.

As for Murphy, it shows confidence from the coaches that they gave him the chance to switch positions. If he truely was the piece of shit you paint him to be, they would have told him, earn a spot at OLB, or get cut.

For all your love of Moses, name another spot on the line outside of RT that he could actually play on this team?? He is too slow to play LT at this level, as he was barely average as a RT when he wasnt protecting the QBs blind side. I wasnt wrong about Moses, I have always maintained his ceiling to be an average, slow footed soft assed RT. And nothing he has done to date changes that opinion.

 

[deanpet21]

See Dean, this is the thing your man crush does not let you accept. Scherff didnt have to DOMINATE in all of eight days. And Moses surely didnt dominate a fucking soul in eithe camp or during the season. But lets go by your logic. Lets say Scherff dominated, and long still showed to be nothing more than an emergency backup... how does it help the team to have two dominant tackles and question marks at Center and Guard?? Moses got the start because moving Scherff inside and having an average Moses at RT was a better option than Having Scherff on the outside learning to play RT, and a less than stellar Long next to him.

As for Murphy, it shows confidence from the coaches that they gave him the chance to switch positions. If he truely was the piece of shit you paint him to be, they would have told him, earn a spot at OLB, or get cut.

For all your love of Moses, name another spot on the line outside of RT that he could actually play on this team?? He is too slow to play LT at this level, as he was barely average as a RT when he wasnt protecting the QBs blind side. I wasnt wrong about Moses, I have always maintained his ceiling to be an average, slow footed soft assed RT. And nothing he has done to date changes that opinion.

Moses could of easily played RG. Now Moses is barely an average RT. If he is slow footed how can he play OT? No man crush here just stating the facts. You were wrong about Moses b/c he is our starting RT and succeeded. They gave Murphy a chance to go to DE b/c he had no future at OLb just like I said. What if Murphy gets cut this year? what would you say then?

 

[Sportster 72]

There is only one answer to this .... ignore.

 

[j_y19]

There is only one answer to this .... ignore.

Best post yet in this thread....especially since I'm now seeing that Moses could play guard. Yup, no man crush there.

 

[Sharkinva]

Moses could of easily played RG. Now Moses is barely an average RT. If he is slow footed how can he play OT? No man crush here just stating the facts. You were wrong about Moses b/c he is our starting RT and succeeded. They gave Murphy a chance to go to DE b/c he had no future at OLb just like I said. What if Murphy gets cut this year? what would you say then?

As for Moses... maybe you should read this again...

2014 NFL Draft Profile: Morgan Moses

I will highlight it for you though...

Plays too tall and needs to drop anchor more consistently. Heavy on his feet and tends to bend at the waist. Lethargic shifting his weight -- stressed by speed and quickness and cannot recover when beaten. Limited hip snap and is not sudden or explosive. Does not breathe fire -- plays smaller than his size in the run game and does not seek to bury defenders. Weight has fluctuated and conditioning needs to be monitored closely. Recorded the slowest 10-yard split (2.08 seconds) of any participant at the combine and tied for the lowest vertical jump (21 1/2 inches) among all offensive linemen.
DRAFT PROJECTION
Rounds 2-3
BOTTOM LINE
Big, long-armed leaner with sheer size and length and enough movement skill to function at an adequate level on the right side, though his high-maintenance conditioning, intermittent intensity and uneven performance turns off some teams. Developmental project.


Big and slow, plays too high as a RT... but you seriously think some one who MIGHT be adequate (aka average) as a RT, could move inside and play Guard??

As for Murphy... if he gets cut, it means some one else took his job. I would rather see a guy get cut because he was out played, than win a starting position because he was one of the most average in a group of below average prospects.

 

[gkekoa]

Bullshit. So if Scherff dominated at RT in training camp would have he been moved? Why cant you admit that you and gk were wrong about Moses? I don't even want to start on Long. Murphy had to gain 40 pounds to switch to the DE position and he is still small for the position.

I was never wrong about Moses. I loved the pick in the draft, and when people were bad mouthing him because he didn't supplant Polumbo in year one, I said he was a third rounder and may take time to develop.

You are trying to justify your opinion with evidence by changing the circumstance. Scherff didn't lose the opportunity to play RT after a short mini camp as the fifth pick. Scherff transitioned to RG because we didn't have anybody to play the position and Moses advanced enough to allow the transition. Had Long dominated at RG, then Moses would be on the bench.

I say the same thing about Long that I said about Moses. Give him time to develop because he is doing just that.

Murphy is still young too. He has been a valuable member of this team, a division winning team. He is a football player, not flashy but a football player. He has turned out better than most second round picks in the NFL and I have shown you that. His days in DC may be limited but we don't know that. The script has not been revealed.

 

[skinsdad62]

I think we should be ecstatic that Moses , a 3rd round pick , is at an avg level at RT and I think the team was wise to insert him there last year . He is developing

But here is the kicker. Why can Murphy and Long get the same benefit of the doubt from you dean ?

Last thing. Does moving smith to 3 technique mean he is a bust or does it mean the skins want the 3 best pass rushers on the field at the same time ?

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Best post yet in this thread....especially since I'm now seeing that Moses could play guard. Yup, no man crush there.

I'm with you guys. I'm sitting this dance out, this debate has been beaten to death. We appear to have 2 good players in Scherff and Moses, not so much Murphy but he is serviceable and OK compared to other 2nd rounders, and I'm cool with that.

 

[deanpet21]

I was never wrong about Moses. I loved the pick in the draft, and when people were bad mouthing him because he didn't supplant Polumbo in year one, I said he was a third rounder and may take time to develop.

You are trying to justify your opinion with evidence by changing the circumstance. Scherff didn't lose the opportunity to play RT after a short mini camp as the fifth pick. Scherff transitioned to RG because we didn't have anybody to play the position and Moses advanced enough to allow the transition. Had Long dominated at RG, then Moses would be on the bench.

I say the same thing about Long that I said about Moses. Give him time to develop because he is doing just that.

Murphy is still young too. He has been a valuable member of this team, a division winning team. He is a football player, not flashy but a football player. He has turned out better than most second round picks in the NFL and I have shown you that. His days in DC may be limited but we don't know that. The script has not been revealed.

Murphy has been a valuable member of this team? LMFAO

 

[deanpet21]

I think we should be ecstatic that Moses , a 3rd round pick , is at an avg level at RT and I think the team was wise to insert him there last year . He is developing

But here is the kicker. Why can Murphy and Long get the same benefit of the doubt from you dean ?

Last thing. Does moving smith to 3 technique mean he is a bust or does it mean the skins want the 3 best pass rushers on the field at the same time ?

Murphy and Long do not get the benefit of the doubt b/c they didn't win any starting job and not have produced like Moses did. IMO they are backup players at best. If you believe in Long he should win the LG position hands down this year b/c of just average competition. If he somehow fails to do this then it's proven that he was not a good draft pick. He had every chance to win a starting position going against avg talent and couldn't do it. We will see in TC about this one.

 

[deanpet21]

As for Moses... maybe you should read this again...

2014 NFL Draft Profile: Morgan Moses

I will highlight it for you though...

Plays too tall and needs to drop anchor more consistently. Heavy on his feet and tends to bend at the waist. Lethargic shifting his weight -- stressed by speed and quickness and cannot recover when beaten. Limited hip snap and is not sudden or explosive. Does not breathe fire -- plays smaller than his size in the run game and does not seek to bury defenders. Weight has fluctuated and conditioning needs to be monitored closely. Recorded the slowest 10-yard split (2.08 seconds) of any participant at the combine and tied for the lowest vertical jump (21 1/2 inches) among all offensive linemen.
DRAFT PROJECTION
Rounds 2-3
BOTTOM LINE
Big, long-armed leaner with sheer size and length and enough movement skill to function at an adequate level on the right side, though his high-maintenance conditioning, intermittent intensity and uneven performance turns off some teams. Developmental project.


Big and slow, plays too high as a RT... but you seriously think some one who MIGHT be adequate (aka average) as a RT, could move inside and play Guard??

As for Murphy... if he gets cut, it means some one else took his job. I would rather see a guy get cut because he was out played, than win a starting position because he was one of the most average in a group of below average prospects.

I agree Murphy will get cut if someone else outplays him. But to think he is going to be successful in year 1 from a position change and weight gain is a tall order. A lot of OT move to guard the transition is not a big one b/c u do not have to block speed rushers. It more physical than finesse.

 

[gkekoa]

Murphy has been a valuable member of this team? LMFAO

So sad.