POLL MBBRL D2 Taxi Squad vote

[TREFF]

Looks like we will have an off season Taxi.

I will need to save this thread, so we have the rules.

On to scoring.

ya'll are welcome, I changed my vote

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Looks like we will have an off season Taxi.

@TREFF

 

[tlance]

I can't agree with all of that, but I get the logic behind it. That said, $0 bids should never be legal..no money, no player.

And FAAB still has zero to do with your team's performance, so there's still that, which I'll always feel should be a significant factor..the main reason as to why I hate the rolling wire.

Why no 0 bids? Players who clear waivers can be picked up as free agents just like a standard league. If I bid zero, you can easily trump me with a $1 bid.

I have done baseball leagues where you start with 1000 and the only way to add players is by bidding. If you run out of money there, you can't add anybody else. If you played in a league like that, I understand your aversion. Truthfully though, there is nothing fairer or more straight forward than standard FAAB.

I detest systems that continually reward the bad teams. There is no justice in that.

 

[TREFF]

Why no 0 bids? Players who clear waivers can be picked up as free agents just like a standard league. If I bid zero, you can easily trump me with a $1 bid.

I have done baseball leagues where you start with 1000 and the only way to add players is by bidding. If you run out of money there, you can't add anybody else. If you played in a league like that, I understand your aversion. Truthfully though, there is nothing fairer or more straight forward than standard FAAB.

I detest systems that continually reward the bad teams. There is no justice in that.

If your basing the system on a type of currency, and a team has none, that's pretty simple. Can't really use an example from a waiver system to prove a point in a bidding system, they're fundamentally different. Use a fictitious currency, or don't. But if you do, and you don't have any left, your done

 

[TREFF]

Why no 0 bids? Players who clear waivers can be picked up as free agents just like a standard league. If I bid zero, you can easily trump me with a $1 bid.

I have done baseball leagues where you start with 1000 and the only way to add players is by bidding. If you run out of money there, you can't add anybody else. If you played in a league like that, I understand your aversion. Truthfully though, there is nothing fairer or more straight forward than standard FAAB.

I detest systems that continually reward the bad teams. There is no justice in that.

And I think rewarding the worst teams is the most fair, nothing fair about the best team having the #1 pick. .ever. you can argue the strategy aspect and all that. .but just straight across fairness? Always worst to first, fair

 

[averagejoe]

I only voted "no" because I didn't want Obx to have more work to do.

 

[Barilko]

I prefer rolling u claim u go to the bottom. You hold and stay where you are biding your time for the next Cruz Foster or Rawls. My last 3 fave FA adds

 

[tlance]

And I think rewarding the worst teams is the most fair, nothing fair about the best team having the #1 pick. .ever. you can argue the strategy aspect and all that. .but just straight across fairness? Always worst to first, fair

Not true.

The fairest method is to give everyone equal opportunity.

FAAB does that.

 

[tlance]

If your basing the system on a type of currency, and a team has none, that's pretty simple. Can't really use an example from a waiver system to prove a point in a bidding system, they're fundamentally different. Use a fictitious currency, or don't. But if you do, and you don't have any left, your done

Not sure what you are saying here. There are a couple different ways to do FAAB. The most common is the following:

Players go on waivers when games start as they do in most football leagues. Teams bid on any player they are interested in and the highest bid wins the player. Zero bids are allowed and processed based on waiver priority. Once a player clears waivers if no one bids, they are a free agent available for anyone to add for free. Dropped players go on waivers and the process repeats for those guys.

Maybe you have played a FAAB system other than this?

 

[tlance]

Not true.

The fairest method is to give everyone equal opportunity.

FAAB does that.

Too often with resetting waivers, you see a team start off with 3 or 4 wins in a row and go near the back of the waiver order for basically the entire season. Injuries strike mid year and those teams have no opportunity to replace the guys they lost because they are stuck near the back of the order. Meanwhile, teams that drafted poorly are rewarded with top picks every week.

There is no way in hell anyone will ever convince me this is fair. Sure, your league may end up having extreme parity, but I think owner skill needs to be rewarded and a re-setting waiver list does exactly the opposite.

Now that all of my leagues have rolling waivers or FAAB, I will never again play in one set up with re-setting waivers. It is a total sham.

 

[TREFF]

Not true.

The fairest method is to give everyone equal opportunity.

FAAB does that.

until someone has a budget and someone doesn't, then it's not an equal opportunity, it's strategy.

And I don't mean fair as in, one for you one for me, one for you, one for me.

I mean fair as in the spirit of sportsmanship.

Besides, each and every major sport in North America uses a worst to first waiver system. Good enough for a multi billion dollar industry, good enough for me.

 

[tlance]

until someone has a budget and someone doesn't, then it's not an equal opportunity, it's strategy.

And I don't mean fair as in, one for you one for me, one for you, one for me.

I mean fair as in the spirit of sportsmanship.

Besides, each and every major sport in North America uses a worst to first waiver system. Good enough for a multi billion dollar industry, good enough for me.

Totally different. rookies come in once a year and the worst teams get the best picks. The off season is like a re-set period.

I guarantee you though, if there were impact players available off the street every single week in those pro leagues, they would adopt another system. Because otherwise, teams like the Browns would be able to completely reload during the season.

Real sports don't work that way and neither should fantasy.

 

[tlance]

also Treff, rewarding bad teams has little to do with sportsmanship. Sounds more like socialism to me. The whole concept is un-American IMO.

I have no problem with the draft order being determined reverse order of standings. Waivers though? No way. You get top waiver this week, no chance you should have it again next week. That is wrong.

 

[TREFF]

also Treff, rewarding bad teams has little to do with sportsmanship. Sounds more like socialism to me. The whole concept is un-American IMO.

I have no problem with the draft order being determined reverse order of standings. Waivers though? No way. You get top waiver this week, no chance you should have it again next week. That is wrong.

We going to have to agree to disagree here. ..I'm telling you the sky is green and grass and blue. ..and your telling me the same. ..you couldn't be more incorrect in my opinion, and it seems as though I couldn't be more wrong in yours. That's where we are. .probably where we'll always be

 

[tlance]

We going to have to agree to disagree here. ..I'm telling you the sky is green and grass and blue. ..and your telling me the same. ..you couldn't be more incorrect in my opinion, and it seems as though I couldn't be more wrong in yours. That's where we are. .probably where we'll always be

No way man! The sky is orange.

This is not a right or wrong thing, it is personal preference. I know we have had this discussion before.

Last thought:

I would not be opposed to re-setting waivers in a casual league with friends or work colleagues. In a league like that, it makes sense to build in advantages for the less knowledgeable players. MBBRL is a big boy league though. We are all experts. If I have a bad draft, I don't want to get bailed out by waiver order.

 

[Yellow Fuzzies]

Too often with resetting waivers, you see a team start off with 3 or 4 wins in a row and go near the back of the waiver order for basically the entire season. Injuries strike mid year and those teams have no opportunity to replace the guys they lost because they are stuck near the back of the order. Meanwhile, teams that drafted poorly are rewarded with top picks every week.

There is no way in hell anyone will ever convince me this is fair. Sure, your league may end up having extreme parity, but I think owner skill needs to be rewarded and a re-setting waiver list does exactly the opposite.

Now that all of my leagues have rolling waivers or FAAB, I will never again play in one set up with re-setting waivers. It is a total sham.

 

[TREFF]

No way man! The sky is orange.

This is not a right or wrong thing, it is personal preference. I know we have had this discussion before.

Last thought:

I would not be opposed to re-setting waivers in a casual league with friends or work colleagues. In a league like that, it makes sense to build in advantages for the less knowledgeable players. MBBRL is a big boy league though. We are all experts. If I have a bad draft, I don't want to get bailed out by waiver order.

Lol..those damned donkey fans around here drive around with bumper stickers claiming the sky IS orange becuase God is a Bronco fan! (actual quote is. ."if God isn't a Bronco fan, then why are sunsets orange?")

Your right though, is not right/wrong its preference. Sometimes that gets tangled up for me when having debates

But your final thought is a prime example just how far apart our preferences are. You say you we claim to be experts so we don't need an advantage for less knowledgeable owners, whereas I say if we claim to be experts, no one should feel a need to have the top waiver spot, we all claim to be that good, shouldn't ever need it, so why not let the bottom, less fortunate, less lucky, injury riddled, whatever, teams have it?

That's how fundamentally opposite we are on this particular issue.

 

[averagejoe]

This is a great read.

Use a fictitious currency, or don't. But if you do, and you don't have any left, your done

But don't pro teams make trades that include cash?
I could be wrong, but when pro teams pick up players on waivers, they usually are moving someone with a bigger salary off their roster saving money.

MBBRL is a big boy league though. We are all experts. If I have a bad draft, I don't want to get bailed out by waiver order.

I hope I'm following your line of thought?
While I agree in principle. Things happen. Injuries. Suspensions.
Being low on the waiver order is the death knell.

 

[TREFF]

This is a great read.


But don't pro teams make trades that include cash?
I could be wrong, but when pro teams pick up players on waivers, they usually are moving someone with a bigger salary off their roster saving money.


I hope I'm following your line of thought?
While I agree in principle. Things happen. Injuries. Suspensions.
Being low on the waiver order is the death knell.

Ah, yes they do Joe. But if they're up against the cap and can't afford a player, in other words they have no free agency budget left, they can't take the player unless they cut someone to generate more space. Since in fantasy land cutting a player doesn't generate FAAB dollars (99.9% of the time), that means no dollars, no player. You want to create an FAAB system that allows you to make moves that generate extra dollars for free agency, more power to ya, but otherwise, the point remains, if claiming players involves a currency, and you have none left, you are stuck with the team you have, should've budgeted better I guess. Other than the obvious skew towards FAAB experienced players, that's the one thing that irked me the most in my limited exposure to FAAB, a team blowing everyone out of the water for a few select free agents, yet still performing moves with zero dollars. If you wanna blow your wad, fine by me, but then that's it, your done.

 

[averagejoe]

I get what you're saying.
You bring up a valid point.
But if a team has zero money, then most everyone else in the league should be able to out bid him by $1.

Honestly I've had limited experience with a FAAB. But I did a decent job with my budget.

IDK. I see where all of you are coming from. But part of me still says this is just a game. If it were real football, we'd just be keeping track of TD and field goals.
Maybe I'm too soft?
Or maybe I've been in enough leagues where owners lose interest for the dumbest things. (Not that these discussions are dumb, mind you.)