Joe Flacco is ELITE ! ! !

[Southieinnc]

The jealousy remark was about hoisting the lombardi, you drunken old fool, and not even in the conversation about the #6 pick....If you'd put that bottle of cheap Boones Farm wine down, maybe you could understand a picture, and not be so far behind the conversation....

View attachment 99478 And hiccup to you too !!!!

"I think he doth protest too much"

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

You're talking like a fool now Face....And falling for Southie's puppet play to get a reaction without actually posting something interesting...
I've watched the fans boo Ben he was playing so bad....We lost 2 HOF players and a bunch of other starters over the past couple yrs because of the cap and retirement in 2012....
Still was 1 game away from the SB 2014, injuries up the ying yang last yr that no qb could have overcame ...
He is a winner and everyone that gets paid to, knows it, so you and that drunken old ex soldier can file your opinions right here.....

View attachment 99484 Ahhhhhhh, that's better !!!!!!

You'll never hear me boo Ben. But I have certainly yelled obscenities towards some of his bad plays. I know no matter how bad the play was, he is still one of the best in the league. Not sure what that has to do with this discussion?

Only reason why I made those comments is because of Ozzie's snide comments towards other teams.

Flacco has certainly had his share of rotten luck. But no matter which way you look at it, he's not exactly living up to his contract. Even so, I have still seen enough bad games in his career with a healthy supporting cast (Boldin, T. Smith, etc) to know that he got overpaid. But that's just my opinion. Has he ever thrown for over 4k yards in a season? He's a decent QB, arguably top 10, more likely just outside. Kudos to him for that SB run in a contract year. If they hadn't won that SB, I doubt Flacco would have been paid as much. Can't fault Ozzie for making that call either. Also doesn't help when Ozzie can't seem to draft a WR worth more than a clipboard.

At the end of the day Ozzie is still one of the best in the business. But at this point in time, after an underwhelming season... He looked like a fool for making those comments. If Tomlin would have been taking shots at other teams after one of his 8-8 seasons, I would have been calling him an idiot. Whether he was trying to support Joe or not, he could have achieved the same goal without throwing other teams under the bus (even if it is true).

 

[Oldschool739]

You'll never hear me boo Ben. But I have certainly yelled obscenities towards some of his bad plays. I know no matter how bad the play was, he is still one of the best in the league. Not sure what that has to do with this discussion?

Only reason why I made those comments is because of Ozzie's snide comments towards other teams.

Flacco has certainly had his share of rotten luck. But no matter which way you look at it, he's not exactly living up to his contract. Even so, I have still seen enough bad games in his career with a healthy supporting cast (Boldin, T. Smith, etc) to know that he got overpaid. But that's just my opinion. Has he ever thrown for over 4k yards in a season? He's a decent QB, arguably top 10, more likely just outside. Kudos to him for that SB run in a contract year. If they hadn't won that SB, I doubt Flacco would have been paid as much. Can't fault Ozzie for making that call either. Also doesn't help when Ozzie can't seem to draft a WR worth more than a clipboard.

At the end of the day Ozzie is still one of the best in the business. But at this point in time, after an underwhelming season... He looked like a fool for making those comments. If Tomlin would have been taking shots at other teams after one of his 8-8 seasons, I would have been calling him an idiot. Whether he was trying to support Joe or not, he could have achieved the same goal without throwing other teams under the bus (even if it is true).

First off, if you honestly think Glennon and Fitz are better than Joe, you have lost your last marble.....
It ain't about stats, I thought you was way smarter than to believe in that misguided crap....
A qb with no running game has to throw for more yards because it's all he's got...Don't make him a winner...
A qb that only plays a handful of games could have a better stat percentage than one who played the whole season....
Flacco is without a doubt one of the best and winningest qb's in the league. especially since he has NEVER had a #1 wr for the 8 yrs he's been here...
Seems I remember Ben crying a few yrs back over that very problem for him....Give Joe Antonio, or AJ and watch him put up the numbers along with the wins....
I know this is the off season and we have to talk about something, but you guys "Joe is not elite" continual whining has gotten old and tired, while he just cashed the second check that was more than you or I will make in a lifetime.....Maybe he thinks opposing fans aren't elite, but I'll bet he don't start 3000 threads each season debating it....
Ben has been great and he has been awful, last time I checked he still gets paid a boat load of money, PM likewise, along with all the other top qb's....They're not machines or miracle workers, just athletes, that's all...
And I don't know what you're talking about Ozzie dissing other teams....

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

First off, if you honestly think Glennon and Fitz are better than Joe, you have lost your last marble.....
It ain't about stats, I thought you was way smarter than to believe in that misguided crap....
A qb with no running game has to throw for more yards because it's all he's got...Don't make him a winner...
A qb that only plays a handful of games could have a better stat percentage than one who played the whole season....
Flacco is without a doubt one of the best and winningest qb's in the league. especially since he has NEVER had a #1 wr for the 8 yrs he's been here...
Seems I remember Ben crying a few yrs back over that very problem for him....Give Joe Antonio, or AJ and watch him put up the numbers along with the wins....
I know this is the off season and we have to talk about something, but you guys "Joe is not elite" continual whining has gotten old and tired, while he just cashed the second check that was more than you or I will make in a lifetime.....Maybe he thinks opposing fans aren't elite, but I'll bet he don't start 3000 threads each season debating it....
Ben has been great and he has been awful, last time I checked he still gets paid a boat load of money, PM likewise, along with all the other top qb's....They're not machines or miracle workers, just athletes, that's all...
And I don't know what you're talking about Ozzie dissing other teams....

My aren't you feisty today!

Never said anything about Glennon or Fitz being better. Those 2 are merely an example of his mediocre play these past few years. I definitely think Joe is better than any of those players he's statistically grouped with.

Like I said, its an opinion. Wasn't whining, didn't create a thread about it, nor was I needing your approval. DGAF what Joe thinks about his doubters, nor do I think he cares what we think about him.

 

[Southieinnc]

You're talking like a fool now Face....And falling for Southie's puppet play to get a reaction without actually posting something interesting......
He is a winner and everyone that gets paid to, knows it, so you and that drunken old ex soldier can file your opinions right here.....

View attachment 99484 Ahhhhhhh, that's better !!!!!!

I think @FaCe-LeE-uS has his own opinion.
As I recall, the Oldschool I know thinks everybody that disagrees with him is a fool.
Q: are paid witnesses reliable?????

 

[Oldschool739]

My aren't you feisty today!

Never said anything about Glennon or Fitz being better. Those 2 are merely an example of his mediocre play these past few years. I definitely think Joe is better than any of those players he's statistically grouped with.

Like I said, its an opinion. Wasn't whining, didn't create a thread about it, nor was I needing your approval. DGAF what Joe thinks about his doubters, nor do I think he cares what we think about him.

He took a team with no secondary 1 game from a trip to the SB the yr before last, but you consider that not statistically good....OK, I get it, but didn't that bad qb and his 2 week backup sweep your boys last yr, the worst season of his career ?.....So that must put Ben out of the Top 20 I guess, using your flawed analogy of judging qb's...
I'm just sayin'

 

[Oldschool739]

I think @FaCe-LeE-uS has his own opinion.
As I recall, the Oldschool I know thinks everybody that disagrees with him is a fool.
Q: are paid witnesses reliable?????

And he's at it again....
Or whatever day it is.....

 

[Southieinnc]

And he's at it again....
View attachment 99687 Or whatever day it is.....

 

[Oldschool739]

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He's trying to tighten the lid so you Kraftites don't overdose....Rescue Raven , he's a good bird !!!

 

[Southieinnc]

He's trying to tighten the lid so you Kraftites don't overdose....Rescue Raven , he's a good bird !!!

I think he's trying to get some laxative in preparation for a certain statue in Indy!!!!!

 

[Oldschool739]

I think he's trying to get some laxative in preparation for a certain statue in Indy!!!!!

I couldn't tell what that was a bottle of, too small for these old peepers....
Stomach to bowel, prepare to fire, target in view 10-9-8 never mind fire, errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Spaaaaaa lattttt....
Mission accomplished.....
Compliments of Poe !!!!! Baltimore's Bad Bird....

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

He took a team with no secondary 1 game from a trip to the SB the yr before last, but you consider that not statistically good....OK, I get it, but didn't that bad qb and his 2 week backup sweep your boys last yr, the worst season of his career ?.....So that must put Ben out of the Top 20 I guess, using your flawed analogy of judging qb's...
I'm just sayin'

Lol... Yea they swept us, doesn't bother me. Didn't bother the Steelers either because they made the postseason, while the 5-11 Ratbirds were watching from the couch. Nor does that support your case. '14 was Joe's best season to date, but still wasn't exceptional. And in '15... First time the Ravens beat the Steelers sans Ben & Flacco only put up 189 yds passing against one of the worst passing defenses in the league. That game they beat a decrepit Mike Vick at the helm... Good for them lol. No excuses for the 2nd time though, as Ben did play like shit. '15 was a wash. But if you want to compare Ben & Flacco then that is an entirely different discussion my friend.

 

[Oldschool739]

Lol... Yea they swept us, doesn't bother me. Didn't bother the Steelers either because they made the postseason, while the 5-11 Ratbirds were watching from the couch. Nor does that support your case. '14 was Joe's best season to date, but still wasn't exceptional. And in '15... First time the Ravens beat the Steelers sans Ben & Flacco only put up 189 yds passing against one of the worst passing defenses in the league. That game they beat a decrepit Mike Vick at the helm... Good for them lol. No excuses for the 2nd time though, as Ben did play like shit. '15 was a wash. But if you want to compare Ben & Flacco then that is an entirely different discussion my friend.

Wow, you got an excuse for everything don't you....But at least you admit that wins are more important than stats.....And that was the point we were speaking on....
Thank you for proving my point.....

 

[Southieinnc]

at least you admit that wins are more important than stats.....And that was the point we were speaking on....
.....

2016:
Pittsburgh 10 wins and playoffs,
Baltimore 5 wins and disgrace?

 

[Oldschool739]

2016:
Pittsburgh 10 wins and playoffs,
Baltimore 5 wins and disgrace?

Two words jump out at me;
Spygate 750k fines.........Deflategate 1 mil fines and multiple high draft picks confiscated....
Disgrace should never come out of the mouth of a Pats fan....that's like hitting your mother disgraceful...
And let's not forget the 4 game suspension for the cheatingest qb of all time....
Brady the Flim-Flam man.....

 

[Manster7588]

How about rule changes, making players wear vests? Next year they'll want cummerbunds included.

 

[Rockinkuwait]

He took a team with no secondary 1 game from a trip to the SB the yr before last, but you consider that not statistically good....OK, I get it, but didn't that bad qb and his 2 week backup sweep your boys last yr, the worst season of his career ?.....So that must put Ben out of the Top 20 I guess, using your flawed analogy of judging qb's...
I'm just sayin'

But over a game or two anything can happen. Tom Brady losing a game or two to Bradford and Orton means very little if he's winning 12 other games that year.

And how did Flacco vs. Ben prove anything when last year Flacco and Ben never played against each other? How does Flacco beating Vick make Ben a bad QB in a game he wasn't even in? It's like saying of Brady beat's Sanchez and Luck next year that makes Peyton a worse QB... Where else do you judge players based on who their team lost to when they weren't playing? Oh look Cleveland lost when Lebron sat out a game, he sucks. Oh look they rang up 15 runs on the Yankees pitchers while Clemens was off, Clemens is awful. Oh look Fitzpatrick beat Tannehill. Told you Marino was overrated...

This is really not making any sense here. If your argument is that he's good enough to get a win over Michael Vick (as long as you give him an overtime to pull it out), then point made I guess.

And yes he took a team within a win of the SB (with a secondary that gave up the 6th fewest TD's that year). And the year before Kaepernick did the same thing. Not saying that guy's elite right now either

 

[Oldschool739]

But over a game or two anything can happen. Tom Brady losing a game or two to Bradford and Orton means very little if he's winning 12 other games that year.

And how did Flacco vs. Ben prove anything when last year Flacco and Ben never played against each other? How does Flacco beating Vick make Ben a bad QB in a game he wasn't even in? It's like saying of Brady beat's Sanchez and Luck next year that makes Peyton a worse QB... Where else do you judge players based on who their team lost to when they weren't playing? Oh look Cleveland lost when Lebron sat out a game, he sucks. Oh look they rang up 15 runs on the Yankees pitchers while Clemens was off, Clemens is awful. Oh look Fitzpatrick beat Tannehill. Told you Marino was overrated...

This is really not making any sense here. If your argument is that he's good enough to get a win over Michael Vick (as long as you give him an overtime to pull it out), then point made I guess.

And yes he took a team within a win of the SB (with a secondary that gave up the 6th fewest TD's that year). And the year before Kaepernick did the same thing. Not saying that guy's elite right now either

Well coming from the fan of a team that hasn't had a qb since Jaworski, and has never won 1 SB in it's ancient existence, to a team that has 2 and have done it with a bum qb and an outstanding qb...Your opinion don't hold any significance and your stats are as off as your frustrated opinion....But hey look at the bright side, you got that HOF qb Bradford up there and I'm sure you think he'll take you to promised land....

 

[Southieinnc]

Well coming from the fan of a team that hasn't had a qb since Jaworski, and has never won 1 SB in it's ancient existence, to a team that has 2 and have done it with a bum qb and an outstanding qb...Your opinion don't hold any significance and your stats are as off as your frustrated opinion....But hey look at the bright side, you got that HOF qb Bradford up there and I'm sure you think he'll take you to promised land....

You think Dilfer was outstanding?????

 

[Southieinnc]

Joe Flacco’s six-year, $120.6 million contract makes him the NFL’s highest paid player.