Big12 to David Boren:

[HuskerinBig10]

I am not sure if Lance understands the CIC.

the CIC does not give money, it provides access to R&D monies from the Federal Government and Private Corporations by working in collaboration with the other B1G members and the University of Chicago.

Since the current 15 universities work as a team for research, there is a reason that the Big Ten gets most of the Federal Dollars. if John Hopkins joins the CIC, the number will increase by about 18%. John Hopkins enjoys a special status because Johns Hopkins gets the most Federal Research dollars of any school and doesn't want to risk being part of the CIC just yet.

Johns Hopkins actually competes against the CIC for research dollars on certain projects.

 

[UVA_Guy81]

Well, if OU/okie state KU/Kstate go to the pac, the 4 Texas schools could go to the ACC. The 4 ACC pods could look like:
Texas/tech/Baylor/TCU
BC/ND/Pitt/cuse
WV/Duke/L'ville/
Clemson/ga tech/Miami/FSU


So, no the pac 12 doesn't really help unless your donors say "oh man this is cool, lets give more money for academics". I'm curious, has it helped the Arizona schools gain AAU membership? I honestly don't know

So what about UVA, VT, UNC, NC St and WF? Is that under the assumption that 2 go to the SEC, 2 go to the B1G and one got accidentally left out?

 

[Lance Armstrong]

I am not sure if Lance understands the CIC.

the CIC does not give money, it provides access to R&D monies from the Federal Government and Private Corporations by working in collaboration with the other B1G members and the University of Chicago.

Since the current 15 universities work as a team for research, there is a reason that the Big Ten gets most of the Federal Dollars. if John Hopkins joins the CIC, the number will increase by about 18%. John Hopkins enjoys a special status because Johns Hopkins gets the most Federal Research dollars of any school and doesn't want to risk being part of the CIC just yet.

Johns Hopkins actually competes against the CIC for research dollars on certain projects.

No, I really didn't know how it works. But if OU is in academic trouble and that is what is fueling a move, doesn't the big ten make the most sense? Does the pac 12 do something like this, that would help OU academically?

 

[Lance Armstrong]

So what about UVA, VT, UNC, NC St and WF? Is that under the assumption that 2 go to the SEC, 2 go to the B1G and one got accidentally left out?

I think UVA and UNC are the Big ten's next targets. Good population in the state, great academic schools, and gives the Big ten more of the east coast. The SEC could grab VT and NC state and get paid premium $$ for the SEC network in those states.

 

[GoldRusher]

The conference TV network as we know it is dead - Gridiron Now

 

[Deep Creek]

The conference TV network as we know it is dead - Gridiron Now

One of my son in laws is in the TV side of marketing. Lately he's been saying this is the trend throughout the industry...not just sports. The millennials are less tolerant of having additional programming forced on them that they don't want and don't want to pay for than my generation has been. In fact, he's always ragging me about it. Says I'm a tightwad in most ways but I allow the cable companies to make me pay for shit I don't want.

 

[Wild Turkey]

The conference TV network as we know it is dead - Gridiron Now

Actually the conference networks might just be the future. People don't want to pay for content they do not want but people will want the conference networks so they will pay up. The only way it works though is economies of scale. Right now with the current system expansion makes no sense but if people keep cutting the cord and revenue decreases substantially then the networks will go to a subscription base system as there will no other choice.

It will be interesting how this will effect pro sports as well.

 

[Goldbug]

I have a feeling the amount of time I spend viewing sports will keep dropping in the future. I already watch very little pro baseball because I hate watching today's game. Too many of the players wouldn't have even sniffed a major league field before rampant expansion, the salaries are ludicrous for the performance given, there is no player allegiance to a team like there used to be and it pisses me off to see so many players in such poor physical shape. NASCAR has gotten too homogenized. Pro basketball is too biased toward the super stars who can repeatedly walk and never get it called on them. Pro football is still OK but the wussification of the sport is definitely on the increase. And if they ever make semi-pros out of the college players I'm outta here. Until then I'll still watch and pay what I have to pay in order to enjoy seeing the games but the networks and conferences can't take millions of people like me for granted or it will bite them in the ass.

 

[Tharvot]

No, the B1G isn't the answer. First of all, the AAU hurdle is problematic since we don't have it yet and the B1G thinks that requirement is sacrosanct. Second, we kind of like being a football powerhouse and going to The Great White North would kill us in recruiting Texas talent. And third, the OU fan base shudders at the thought of going there. A better answer (if we make a move) is to the Pac 10 where our academics could improve, we would be given some time to attain AAU status, our sports would flourish with California recruiting and the fans would get to experience some new rivalries. Of course we would do everything to keep the RRSO. It's likely OU would even play a frequent game, other than the RRSO, in Jerry World to augment our recruiting efforts in Texas.

I think the B1G would jump at the chance to add OU, as long they had the right 16th school lined up. Obviously, an OU-Texas joint venture would make that whole non-AAU status look pretty meaningless. Also obviously, OKst isn't gonna be that travel partner. I will say that the whole culture of OU will likely change if they did make the move to the B1G (or PAC or ACC for that matter) since academics is stressed highly...its a competition between schools and the pressure to improve is great. In the end, it will be very good for the school academically.

I do get a bit of a giggle about the whole concept that the B1G is in "The Great White North", especially from an OU fan when the Sooners forever played in a conference that was just as snowy and cold in the winter as any of the B1G schools. I also think the concept of recruiting dipping due to going to the B1G is also misplaced. OU has great ties to California, yet how many games to they play in the state? Very few and very infrequently. As has been stated, OU is a national brand and as long as their games are nationally televised, they will be top of mind with recruits anywhere.

But alas, most OU fans seem bewitched by the allure of the california coast. Can't blame em for that, especially in the winter.

 

[Lance Armstrong]

Actually the conference networks might just be the future. People don't want to pay for content they do not want but people will want the conference networks so they will pay up. The only way it works though is economies of scale. Right now with the current system expansion makes no sense but if people keep cutting the cord and revenue decreases substantially then the networks will go to a subscription base system as there will no other choice.

It will be interesting how this will effect pro sports as well.

People don't want to pay for content they do not want, so school networks online is the wave of the future. Do auburn fans want to pay to see Alabama vs Kentucky? Or would you want all tigers (auburn) all the time? The pac 12 had the right idea, 1 national network and 6 sub networks. Their problem is they over estimated their fan base, and have no bargaining power with the cable companies. Once they go straight digital they'll be fine.

 

[Wild Turkey]

People don't want to pay for content they do not want, so school networks online is the wave of the future. Do auburn fans want to pay to see Alabama vs Kentucky? Or would you want all tigers (auburn) all the time? The pac 12 had the right idea, 1 national network and 6 sub networks. Their problem is they over estimated their fan base, and have no bargaining power with the cable companies. Once they go straight digital they'll be fine.

Dude I do not want all Auburn Tigers all the time and that is exactly why I post here for the diversity. Trust me there are plenty of Auburn only sites and there is only so much I can take about debating who the left tackle should be and the latest stupid rumor someone's barber told them (but the dude is the know for real).

I want to watch the best matchups. If Auburn is playing Swanee in baseball I would rather watch Alabama vs Miss State to be quite honest.

 

[Lance Armstrong]

Dude I do not want all Auburn Tigers all the time and that is exactly why I post here for the diversity. Trust me there are plenty of Auburn only sites and there is only so much I can take about debating who the left tackle should be and the latest stupid rumor someone's barber told them (but the dude is the know for real).

I want to watch the best matchups. If Auburn is playing Swanee in baseball I would rather watch Alabama vs Miss State to be quite honest.

forgot I was talking to "team sec". Carry on.

 

[Tharvot]

People don't want to pay for content they do not want, so school networks online is the wave of the future. Do auburn fans want to pay to see Alabama vs Kentucky? Or would you want all tigers (auburn) all the time? The pac 12 had the right idea, 1 national network and 6 sub networks. Their problem is they over estimated their fan base, and have no bargaining power with the cable companies. Once they go straight digital they'll be fine.

Conference networks are a good mix of your team and your team's rivals. Its enough diverse content to keep you interested. School only channels just aren't going to work.

The reason people want ala carte is because "I don't want to have to pay for 7 HGTV and 100 other channels when all I really want to watch is the history channel."

 

[Lance Armstrong]

Conference networks are a good mix of your team and your team's rivals. Its enough diverse content to keep you interested. School only channels just aren't going to work.

The reason people want ala carte is because "I don't want to have to pay for 7 HGTV and 100 other channels when all I really want to watch is the history channel."

To each their own I guess, but I have very little interest in other team's non football/basketball sports. I'd much rather watch every UT home baseball game than watch some of them, along with OU vs Kstate, etc...

 

[Deep Creek]

Conference networks are a good mix of your team and your team's rivals. Its enough diverse content to keep you interested. School only channels just aren't going to work.

The reason people want ala carte is because "I don't want to have to pay for 7 HGTV and 100 other channels when all I really want to watch is the history channel."

To me, "ala carte" means I get to choose very specifically. Neither a forced on me conference network or a school only network provide this unless I still get "ala carte" within those options. I could care less about watching any B1G (or any other conference) wrestling or Texas (or any other school) swimming and diving.

I would like to be able to watch a live Indiana/Purdue basketball game without having to pay for the entire conference stuff. Or a UT/Baylor baseball game without all the other crap.

 

[Lance Armstrong]

To me, "ala carte" means I get to choose very specifically. Neither a forced on me conference network or a school only network provide this unless I still get "ala carte" within those options. I could care less about watching any B1G (or any other conference) wrestling or Texas (or any other school) swimming and diving.

I would like to be able to watch a live Indiana/Purdue basketball game without having to pay for the entire conference stuff. Or a UT/Baylor baseball game without all the other crap.

now you're just being extremely greedy. How about a UTEP/UTSA basketball game, sponsored by Chicos Tacos

 

[Hornsstampede2.0]

The BIG 10 Network should not really count in the debate of A' La Carte versus Forced Bundling.
The Big 10 carries 2nd tier games which makes it entirely different from the other leagues.

2nd tier is actual live games featuring nationally demanded product.
3rd tier is the crap casual fans have zero interest in....it is only for a small dedicated hardcore base.

The debate is about whether or not 3rd tier is best bundled or offered directly.

If it was 2010, the bundling seems the better model.
But today in 2016, the trending is clearly suggesting individual customized content is going to be the standard.

A Big 12 network will never happen.
I would not be surprised to see the ACC and PAC start adopting elements of the Big 12 style as well.

 

[Deep Creek]

now you're just being extremely greedy. How about a UTEP/UTSA basketball game, sponsored by Chicos Tacos

LMAO...that'd work! You must be familiar with El Paso in referencing Chicos Tacos. My daughters loved those things. I hated 'em. (They had some other things that were pretty good.) Best description of them I ever heard from an outsider was "Why did they drop the flautas in the soup?"

 

[Lance Armstrong]

LMAO...that'd work! You must be familiar with El Paso in referencing Chicos Tacos. My daughters loved those things. I hated 'em. (They had some other things that were pretty good.) Best description of them I ever heard from an outsider was "Why did they drop the flautas in the soup?"

Oh my family is from El paso, a lot of them still live there. I'll actually be there for easter, my wife has never had chicos. I'm not a fan, but she's gotta try it at least once. For the UTSA/UTEP games, a ton of my family members come to SA and fill the Alamo dome.

 

[Deep Creek]

Oh my family is from El paso, a lot of them still live there. I'll actually be there for easter, my wife has never had chicos. I'm not a fan, but she's gotta try it at least once. For the UTSA/UTEP games, a ton of my family members come to SA and fill the Alamo dome.

Well if you are going to force her to experience Chico's, at least take her to Cattleman's at Fabens to offset the torture of Chico's.