SEC crying about Harbaugh coming to Florida for spring break

[4down20]

The SEC should go for it.

They are, they voted last year to remove the ban in 2016 unless the NCAA banned them for everyone.

They are nothing but recruiting combines and Saban is going to fuck shit up.

 

[4down20]

Is it just Michigan fans who don't understand how the dates on a calendar work, or is this problem more widespread?

 

[ellupo]

You're a Michigan fan.

Just stop.

Oh, the moral outrage!

@ellupo comes scrambling to the Michigan fan's defense in 3...

How about them Buckeyes!

 

[HammerDown]

Is it just Michigan fans who don't understand how the dates on a calendar work, or is this problem more widespread?

Goes a little further south than Ann Arbor.

At least to Columbus.

 

[fishinabarrel]

Is it just Michigan fans who don't understand how the dates on a calendar work, or is this problem more widespread?

My daughter just learned the "30 days has September" song and is constantly singing it do I'm good. Most Michigan fans have a hard time understanding much of anything tho

 

[fishinabarrel]

Goes a little further south than Ann Arbor.

At least to Columbus.

All the way to Georgia!?

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

They banned them BEFORE ANY BIG10 school had ever done it.

So it would be quite impossible for the SEC to have banned them in response to others you ignorant dumbass.

Genius. How many times do I have to say -- their proposal to the NCAA is to ban them for everyone. If you honestly believe the SEC wants them banned because they are "shady", you are, as you put it earlier, a"stupid motherfucker".

They want them banned nationally to protect their recruiting areas, as the majority of the camps will be in SEC country. Period.

 

[umichgradfan]

They are, they voted last year to remove the ban in 2016 unless the NCAA banned them for everyone.

They are nothing but recruiting combines and Saban is going to fuck shit up.

I'd wish him well but I wouldn't mean it.

 

[UM Fire]

My daughter just learned the "30 days has September" song and is constantly singing it do I'm good.

That's good, but has she conquered the achilles heel for all Ohio state fans... learning to spell Ohio without the help of another person


As for the actual topic at hand. I don't have a problem with the trip as long as it doesn't violate the rules. I don't buy for a second that trips like this, and the objections to it, are about anything other than recruiting.

 

[4down20]

Genius. How many times do I have to say -- their proposal to the NCAA is to ban them for everyone. If you honestly believe the SEC wants them banned because they are "shady", you are, as you put it earlier, a"stupid motherfucker".

They want them banned nationally to protect their recruiting areas, as the majority of the camps will be in SEC country. Period.

So why did they ban their own coaches from doing it years ago before any other conference was even thinking about doing it?

I think you are just a bandwagon Michigan fan.

 

[ellupo]

Genius. How many times do I have to say -- their proposal to the NCAA is to ban them for everyone. If you honestly believe the SEC wants them banned because they are "shady", you are, as you put it earlier, a"stupid motherfucker".

They want them banned nationally to protect their recruiting areas, as the majority of the camps will be in SEC country. Period.

So why did they ban their own coaches from doing it years ago before any other conference was even thinking about doing it?

I think you are just a bandwagon Michigan fan.

The SEC banned this years ago because they were doing it all over the place.

 

[umichgradfan]

The SEC banned this years ago because they were doing it all over the place.

Including in each other's "territory"--that was the real problem.

 

[4down20]

The SEC banned this years ago because they were doing it all over the place.

Other conferences have been doing it for a while.

Texas A&M and Mizzou were both doing it before joining the SEC. When they joined the SEC, they had to stop doing it for example.

Here's what Pinkel said when joining the SEC:

“They’re like combines,” Pinkel added. “You’re not allowed to see these kids off campus. They have to be on your campus. But when they go to these things, a whole staff is there or half their staff. Then it’s like the old combines. There’s so much recruiting going on. That’s really what it’s for. It’s not to make guys better football players. That’s kind of the problem.”

This is the SEC rule:

"SEC football coaching, strength and conditioning, and administrative staffs may not conduct, attend, or be involved in any way with football camps and coaching clinics off their institution’s campus, except coaches may speak at coaching clinics conducted off their institution's campus only when there are no prospective student-athletes enrolled in the clinic. In addition to scheduled speaking opportunities, countable coaches may attend coaching clinics off their institution’s campus within their own state only when there are no prospective student-athletes enrolled in or attending the clinic. On-field graduate assistant coaches, at their own expense, are permitted to work one off-campus camp per year for the advancement of their coaching career."

Texas is usually the state that gets targeted the most. Both Oklahoma schools hit it pretty hard and have for years. It generates good money for the hosting schools that host them because the schools charge the kids who come to the camps(obviously they have to have an incentive), while using the "guest coaches" as headlines to generate interest, similar to promoting a concert.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

So why did they ban their own coaches from doing it years ago before any other conference was even thinking about doing it?

I think you are just a bandwagon Michigan fan.

Because they don't have to do it. They are smack dab in the middle of the best recruiting areas in the country.
It is the SAME reason why they are trying to get it banned for everyone, as they don't want other schools setting up camps in SEC country.
If you actually believe they banned camps and wants camps banned because they are "shady", you obviously don't follow SEC football very closely. The most cut throat win at all cost conference is now worried about a level playing field and student/athlete time constraints? Excuse me while I laugh hysterically. The conference that once had a team sign 37 players in ONE recruiting class and then 31 the next year is crying foul? The conference with text book scandals, cluster classes and schools firing employees for calling out academic issues against football players is now worried about student/athletes. The conference who has used every loophole imaginable while recruiting, by oversigning, grey shirts, medical hardships, roster manipulation, etc.
IF they had even the smallest advantage by holding these camps. They would do so in a HEART BEAT.
They know the camps open doors for teams up north in the SEC recruiting areas that otherwise wouldn't be available. It is simple as that.
If you don't think otherwise. Take off your rose color SEC blinders

 

[ellupo]

Including in each other's "territory"--that was the real problem.

Ok. That does not change the fact they banned it from happening.

 

[ellupo]

Because they don't have to do it. They are smack dab in the middle of the best recruiting areas in the country.
It is the SAME reason why they are trying to get it banned for everyone, as they don't want other schools setting up camps in SEC country.
If you actually believe they banned camps and wants camps banned because they are "shady", you obviously don't follow SEC football very closely. The most cut throat win at all cost conference is now worried about a level playing field and student/athlete time constraints? Excuse me while I laugh hysterically. The conference that once had a team sign 37 players in ONE recruiting class and then 31 the next year is crying foul? The conference with text book scandals, cluster classes and schools firing employees for calling out academic issues against football players is now worried about student/athletes. The conference who has used every loophole imaginable while recruiting, by oversigning, grey shirts, medical hardships, roster manipulation, etc.
IF they had even the smallest advantage by holding these camps. They would do so in a HEART BEAT.
They know the camps open doors for teams up north in the SEC recruiting areas that otherwise wouldn't be available. It is simple as that.
If you don't think otherwise. Take off your rose color SEC blinders

They did ban them because they were shady. As umichgradfan said they were also doing it in SEC country.

 

[4down20]

Because they don't have to do it. They are smack dab in the middle of the best recruiting areas in the country.
It is the SAME reason why they are trying to get it banned for everyone, as they don't want other schools setting up camps in SEC country.
If you actually believe they banned camps and wants camps banned because they are "shady", you obviously don't follow SEC football very closely. The most cut throat win at all cost conference is now worried about a level playing field and student/athlete time constraints? Excuse me while I laugh hysterically. The conference that once had a team sign 37 players in ONE recruiting class and then 31 the next year is crying foul? The conference with text book scandals, cluster classes and schools firing employees for calling out academic issues against football players is now worried about student/athletes. The conference who has used every loophole imaginable while recruiting, by oversigning, grey shirts, medical hardships, roster manipulation, etc.
IF they had even the smallest advantage by holding these camps. They would do so in a HEART BEAT.
They know the camps open doors for teams up north in the SEC recruiting areas that otherwise wouldn't be available. It is simple as that.
If you don't think otherwise. Take off your rose color SEC blinders

You don't know how recruiting works at all if you think schools wouldn't benefit from such things. Especially in the states of Texas and Florida.

I guess in addition to not knowing how to read a calendar, you also don't know how to read a map. It's still an 8 hour drive from Tuscaloosa to Dallas Texas. 10 hours to Austin and 11 to San Antonino. It's only an 11 hour drive from Ann Arbor to Tuscaloosa.

If Alabama wants to look at recruits in Miami, it's an 11 hour drive.

Yet somehow Alabama wouldn't benefit from a camp being in Texas, while it's a big deal for Michigan.

You are just making shit up on the fly bandwagon fan.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

You don't know how recruiting works at all if you think schools wouldn't benefit from such things. Especially in the states of Texas and Florida.

I guess in addition to not knowing how to read a calendar, you also don't know how to read a map. It's still an 8 hour drive from Tuscaloosa to Dallas Texas. 10 hours to Austin and 11 to San Antonino. It's only an 11 hour drive from Ann Arbor to Tuscaloosa.

If Alabama wants to look at recruits in Miami, it's an 11 hour drive.

Yet somehow Alabama wouldn't benefit from a camp being in Texas, while it's a big deal for Michigan.

You are just making shit up on the fly bandwagon fan.

Do you know what the word advantage means? Of course the SEC would benefit doing camps, what it doesn't do is give them an advantage over schools up north.
I will try and explain it as simple as possible for you. Recruits that grow up in SEC country are watching.........the SEC. Their local games are the SEC. I'm guessing you guys gave the SEC network like we have the B1G network here in the North. They know the teams, they know the coaches, they know the players. They are brought up on the SEC. HUGE advantage for the SEC. The SEC coaches know the coaches at the elite high school programs in the SEC areas.
With sattelite camps, coaches from other schools can make contact and build relationships with coaches in those areas. Relationships the SEC ALREADY HAVE. Who is that going to help more?
The SEC banned them because they'd be poaching players from their own schools.

Is it going to hurt Michigan if you come set up camps in Michigan? No. Feel free. The only school you could hurt is the team who took down Alabama. Ohio State has a lot of really good players in Ohio and they are the only major college there. Feel free to run as many camps as you'd like there.
Recruiting is all about building relationships. It is no secret that Urban Meyer was coach at Florida and where did he get a ton of talent at OSU? Florida. Harbaugh coached at SD, Stanford and the 49ers in California. We got a ton of talent from......California.
These camps open doors in areas where the doors are already open for the SEC.
Do you understand yet?

 

[umichgradfan]

Ok. That does not change the fact they banned it from happening.

You're right, but it explains a lot. They don't want to have that kind of competition among themselves.

 

[4down20]

Do you know what the word advantage means? Of course the SEC would benefit doing camps, what it doesn't do is give them an advantage over schools up north.
I will try and explain it as simple as possible for you. Recruits that grow up in SEC country are watching.........the SEC. Their local games are the SEC. I'm guessing you guys gave the SEC network like we have the B1G network here in the North. They know the teams, they know the coaches, they know the players. They are brought up on the SEC. HUGE advantage for the SEC. The SEC coaches know the coaches at the elite high school programs in the SEC areas.
With sattelite camps, coaches from other schools can make contact and build relationships with coaches in those areas. Relationships the SEC ALREADY HAVE. Who is that going to help more?
The SEC banned them because they'd be poaching players from their own schools.

Is it going to hurt Michigan if you come set up camps in Michigan? No. Feel free. The only school you could hurt is the team who took down Alabama. Ohio State has a lot of really good players in Ohio and they are the only major college there. Feel free to run as many camps as you'd like there.
Recruiting is all about building relationships. It is no secret that Urban Meyer was coach at Florida and where did he get a ton of talent at OSU? Florida. Harbaugh coached at SD, Stanford and the 49ers in California. We got a ton of talent from......California.
These camps open doors in areas where the doors are already open for the SEC.
Do you understand yet?

If it doesn't hurt Michigan it's because you get shitty recruits in general that Alabama doesn't want.

Let me know when you realize Michigan isn't the only place Michigan recruits, or that Alabama isn't the only place Alabama recruits.