What If Tom Brady Is "Innocent"?

[umichgradfan]

What if it turns out that the NFL (Goodell) is wrong and has acted in bad faith, and the federal court finds against it? Most of the posters on NFL message boards are so busy gleefully bashing the Patriots in general and Tom Brady in particular that they haven't considered this outcome. But, it's a real possibility.
So, let's put team loyalties aside and consider the consequences: What happens if the NFL findings and its procedures are overturned?

 

[Rock Strongo]

What if it turns out that the NFL (Goodell) is wrong and has acted in bad faith, and the federal court finds against it? Most of the posters on NFL message boards are so busy gleefully bashing the Patriots in general and Tom Brady in particular that they haven't considered this outcome. But, it's a real possibility.
So, let's put team loyalties aside and consider the consequences: What happens if the NFL findings and its procedures are overturned?

goodell doesnt care if he loses in court. he did his job, he did what the owners wanted within his ultimate power.

losing in court does nothing to hurt goodell, so he doesnt care.

 

[{+}Mother-Marge{+}]

What if it turns out that the NFL (Goodell) is wrong and has acted in bad faith, and the federal court finds against it? Most of the posters on NFL message boards are so busy gleefully bashing the Patriots in general and Tom Brady in particular that they haven't considered this outcome. But, it's a real possibility.
So, let's put team loyalties aside and consider the consequences: What happens if the NFL findings and its procedures are overturned?

......Goodall walks=======the plank,......!?

 

[Old Lion]

Its a win win situation for football fans. Either Goodell looks incompetant or Brady looks like a cheater. NFL fans win either way.

 

[{+}Mother-Marge{+}]

goodell doesnt care if he loses in court. he did his job, he did what the owners wanted within his ultimate power.

losing in court does nothing to hurt goodell, so he doesnt care.

...I agree,....enough shit, feces, mud , dirt has been thrown at the Pats for = having the most wins in reg. / post season, most SB appearances in the last decade/half, greatest QB evah, greatest owner and coach,....etc.,.....etc.,....etc.,......the other owners will be ~celebrating~ One way or the other,.....quietly, I'm sure.

 

[umichgradfan]

...I agree,....enough shit, feces, mud , dirt has been thrown at the Pats for = having the most wins in reg. / post season, most SB appearances in the last decade/half, greatest QB evah, greatest owner and coach,....etc.,.....etc.,....etc.,......the other owners will be ~celebrating~ One way or the other,.....quietly, I'm sure.

Yup.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

What if it turns out that the NFL (Goodell) is wrong and has acted in bad faith, and the federal court finds against it? Most of the posters on NFL message boards are so busy gleefully bashing the Patriots in general and Tom Brady in particular that they haven't considered this outcome. But, it's a real possibility.
So, let's put team loyalties aside and consider the consequences: What happens if the NFL findings and its procedures are overturned?

I think the NFL has an ironclad case...if you see thru all of the smoke...the charge against Brady...involvement with tampering with game football air pressure resulting in game balls being used with PSI below the legal limit per NFL guidelines. That's the charge.

This truly is a case of guilty until proven innocent...the burden of proof (of innocence) lies with Brady.

Granted, the CBA protects the phone, but the cell phone activity is going to be put on trial and it just points to behavior by somebody with something to hide.

Idk if this will be a jury trial or not, but either way...common sense tends to rule in decisions and that weighs against TB imo. We've all broken phones and replaced them...you don't destroy your old phone...unless there was something on it you did not want brought to light.

 

[Rock Strongo]

I think the NFL has an ironclad case...if you see thru all of the smoke...the charge against Brady...involvement with tampering with game football air pressure resulting in game balls being used with PSI below the legal limit per NFL guidelines. That's the charge.

This truly is a case of guilty until proven innocent...the burden of proof (of innocence) lies with Brady.

Granted, the CBA protects the phone, but the cell phone activity is going to be put on trial and it just points to behavior by somebody with something to hide.

Idk if this will be a jury trial or not, but either way...common sense tends to rule in decisions and that weighs against TB imo. We've all broken phones and replaced them...you don't destroy your old phone...unless there was something on it you did not want brought to light.

yes, and tampering with equipment is a 25k fine.

no one has ever been suspended for "tampering with equipment".

 

[SoCalWizFan]

...I agree,....enough shit, feces, mud , dirt has been thrown at the Pats for = having the most wins in reg. / post season, most SB appearances in the last decade/half, greatest QB evah, greatest owner and coach,....etc.,.....etc.,....etc.,......the other owners will be ~celebrating~ One way or the other,.....quietly, I'm sure.

LOL. So all of these charges, investigations, etc are simply due to jealousy from others in the NFL, media & general public? Please - cry me a river. You honestly believe that the Pats have not once been guilty of anything & that somehow the team & their fans are basically martyrs? Give me a break. Why don't you simply enjoy your titles & give this whole "Woe is me" attitude a rest.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

yes, and tampering with equipment is a 25k fine.

no one has ever been suspended for "tampering with equipment".

Has said tampering resulted in out of compliance equipment being used in a game? Did culprit volunteer information or were they connected to the act after it was investigated?

Those are factors in the degree of punishment imo.

 

[sonnyblack65]

LOL. So all of these charges, investigations, etc are simply due to jealousy from others in the NFL, media & general public? Please - cry me a river. You honestly believe that the Pats have not once been guilty of anything & that somehow the team & their fans are basically martyrs? Give me a break. Why don't you simply enjoy your titles & give this whole "Woe is me" attitude a rest.

Go easy on Marge the nun, she starts whacking down the convent vino at 5 am

 

[NEhomer]

There are many other things on his phone besides texts about air pressure that he may not want revealed....possibly even to his own lawyers.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Has said tampering resulted in out of compliance equipment being used in a game? Did culprit volunteer information or were they connected to the act after it was investigated?

Those are factors in the degree of punishment imo.

no one knows, the colts balls were fucked up too.

what people are failing to realize is this is a HUGE issue for the NFL, not the players, not the fans...the NFL. they did this to themselves. they had no set procedures in place for gauging balls, documenting it, and setting standards for later checks.

refs squeeze em, say pass/fail, and go on.

theyre reverse engineering their ball policy, resulting in the news "rules" for ball management...which anyone with 2 eyes can see is the league admitting culpability in this.

people need to remember...the league had NO set standard for checking, fixing, and/or documenting findings on these game balls. free for all based on iffy memories and recollections of aging officials.

 

[ducky]

Brady getting his suspension overturned in Federal court would have NOTHING to do with him being innocent. Anyone with half a brain (even less maybe) knows that the Pat's were deflating footballs and Brady knew about it simply from the texts of the two idiot equipment managers.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

What if it turns out that the NFL (Goodell) is wrong and has acted in bad faith, and the federal court finds against it? Most of the posters on NFL message boards are so busy gleefully bashing the Patriots in general and Tom Brady in particular that they haven't considered this outcome. But, it's a real possibility.
So, let's put team loyalties aside and consider the consequences: What happens if the NFL findings and its procedures are overturned?

This almost suggests a witch hunt against Tom Brady and the Pats, which just doesn't make sense....When is it good for any league to take down the Golden Boy of that league?

Its like MLB having to announce Mike Trout is on steroids

 

[Rock Strongo]

Brady getting his suspension overturned in Federal court would have NOTHING to do with him being innocent. Anyone with half a brain (even less maybe) knows that the Pat's were deflating footballs and Brady knew about it simply from the texts of the two idiot equipment managers.

this gives you 1/3 of a brain then.

 

[ducky]

this gives you 1/3 of a brain then.

Do you really think that Brady and the Pat's weren't deflating footballs? C'mon.

 

[Rock Strongo]

doug gottliebs take on cbs was right

kraft and goodell had a deal in place, and goodell welched on it after kraft agreed to fines and pick losses.

goodell literally said "ok, thanks bobby...but go fly a kite" after they had a handshake deal.

thats not good business for anyone. think the other owners dont see that?

 

[Rock Strongo]

Do you really think that Brady and the Pat's weren't deflating footballs? C'mon.

no, i didnt say that.

your take is wildly off the path tho.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Brady getting his suspension overturned in Federal court would have NOTHING to do with him being innocent. Anyone with half a brain (even less maybe) knows that the Pat's were deflating footballs and Brady knew about it simply from the texts of the two idiot equipment managers.

This is 100% accurate

Ive said from the day I saw the texts between the 2 equipment guys "I need no more"

Do people really believe those guys were acting on their own and were saying 'Screw Tom", "Screw our jobs"

Doesn't even make a lick of sense