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[gandydancer]

Here's the problem:

The Lions cant beat good teams due to coaching, not the talent. They never prepare well for teams with better coaches.

The Lions beat bad teams due to their talent level, not so much coaching. They are inconsistent but do enough to win those games.

If Austin has another great year and Lombardi figures it out, the team should be able to win against some of the good teams.

I do have to ask who is responsible for hiring coaches? Can't believe you're bashing Mayhew openly like this.

 

[Coach_Ed_LPW]

I think my back-and-fourth with Dr. Evil-er is being misconstrued as hostile. I'd like to dispel that notion right now. He's a good personal buddy of mine. We don't see eye-to-eye on the Lions AT ALL, but the dude knows his shit. He hates Mayhew something fierce, and he comes on like a ton of bricks on the board, but, imo, that's what makes this place fun. All the fucking characters we have. If we all agreed it would be boring as fuck. Look no farther than this very thread today- it's fucking poppin' because we're all arguing it out. I'll take that over a dead board any day of the week.

Like I said, though, he's my bro, so easy on the numbnuts stuff, eh?

Hey now...he called me stupid, ignorant and little guy twice.

 

[Coach_Ed_LPW]

I follow what you're saying, but I don't agree. Strength of schedule is determined by ALL the games we play, not just the two that aren't divisional, conference, or non-conference.

Maybe we're not on the same page, though. Are you saying that last year's strength of schedule factors in to the two "at large" games when they decide those? That could well be the case (I honestly don't know on that one) but strength of schedule is still strength of schedule, and, at least right now, we'd appear to have a pretty tough crop of opponents this year...

Not sure what your not agreeing with...14 of every teams games are set in stone and have zero to do with SOS. You play 6 division games, 4 against all the teams from 1 other division in conference and 1 out of conference. Thats 8. 8+6 is 14.

 

[Coach_Ed_LPW]

And im not stupid.

 

[lionstop1]

I do have to ask who is responsible for hiring coaches? Can't believe you're bashing Mayhew openly like this.

Of course its the GMs fault for choosing the wrong coaches but its not as if they can have whoever they want either. I didnt like Schwartz that much and his style but I never really complained too much.

My share of blame is split between the players, coaches and Mayhew. Cant blame one guy.

 

[tpaulus_2]

Hey now...he called me stupid, ignorant and little guy twice.

Right- you guys can go back and fourth with that shit all you want, but I'll stay out of the name calling on both ends.

I want to be involved in the discussion, but I don't want to take any sides in the argument...

 

[tpaulus_2]

Not sure what your not agreeing with...14 of every teams games are set in stone and have zero to do with SOS. You play 6 division games, 4 against all the teams from 1 other division in conference and 1 out of conference. Thats 8. 8+6 is 14.

I don't think we're on the same page on what strength of schedule means. No games are decided by strength of schedule (14 are pre-determined, 2 are based on division finish the prior season), but all the games collectively make up the SOS. The SOS is determined by who you play, but who you play isn't determined by the SOS...

 

[Coach_Ed_LPW]

I don't think we're on the same page on what strength of schedule means. No games are decided by strength of schedule (14 are pre-determined, 2 are based on division finish the prior season), but all the games collectively make up the SOS. The SOS is determined by who you play, but who you play isn't determined by the SOS...

Now im fucking confused? The SOS conversation was brought up by someone, I think your buddy DR E....stating that our success was a result of a schedule based on a losing teams SOS. And now that we were 11-5, our schedule would get harder and we would suck...or something along those lines. I was trying to point out, our record last year doesnt effect our schedule at all other than the 2 games...and thats very little. Maybe im not understanding, i am stupid and ignorant!

 

[blh7068]

The SOS is determined by who you play, but who you play isn't determined by the SOS...

Yes. Both you and Coach Ed are correct. "DR E" appears to be a source of confusion. SOS has very limited applicability to the upcoming season given 14 of the 16 games are set in stone. In this league, its not who you play, its when you play them. JMO. GL this upcoming season.

 

[Coach_Ed_LPW]

When we don't have a bottom feeder schedule we have sucked in The Clown Show tenure.

Thats what was said(I know it was mentioned again but I dont have time to find it). Maybe I misconstrued what was meant.

As far as SOS last year, preseason we had the #16 SOS. Right in the middle. That doesnt seem like bottom feeder.

Seems like we had some pretty tough opponents like the Pats, Bills, Dolphins, Cardinals, GB twice, Panthers, Saints.

Our final SOS power ranking was #11 on this site.

NFL Football Power Ratings - NFL Team Strength of Schedule Power Rating

It just seems like a really dumb statement to me.

This year they have us at 15.

2015 NFL strength of schedule: Steelers at No. 1, Falcons at No. 32 - CBSSports.com

Since last year was the result of a bottom feeder schedule, and this year is even easier then we should do even better. YEAY!!! Good thing for Mayhew! The scheduleing gods have blessed him with a bottom feeder schedule.

 

[tpaulus_2]

Now im fucking confused? The SOS conversation was brought up by someone, I think your buddy DR E....stating that our success was a result of a schedule based on a losing teams SOS. And now that we were 11-5, our schedule would get harder and we would suck...or something along those lines. I was trying to point out, our record last year doesnt effect our schedule at all other than the 2 games...and thats very little. Maybe im not understanding, i am stupid and ignorant!

Problem solved.

He was saying we did good last year, because we had a weak SOS, and that he thinks we'll do poorly this year because we appear to have a much harder SOS this upcoming season.

I think that's where the mix up was...

 

[Coach_Ed_LPW]

Problem solved.

He was saying we did good last year, because we had a weak SOS, and that he thinks we'll do poorly this year because we appear to have a much harder SOS this upcoming season.

I think that's where the mix up was...

Ahhh, except that our SOS is easier! LOL

 

[Dr. Evil-er]

And im not stupid.

All evidence to the contrary and you get a Bears fans who falls in the same category to make it even worse.

When we don't have a bottom feeder schedule we have sucked in The Clown Show tenure.

Thats what was said(I know it was mentioned again but I dont have time to find it). Maybe I misconstrued what was meant.

At least you got the bold part right. I NEVER EVER said SOS, not once, that's entirely you. I am very well aware of what the SOS determines, which is basically nothing at all.

What I said was that both playoff appearances came in the years where we beat teams that were not good, those would be bottom feeders. How could that possibly have been so hard for you to get it the first quote you made wasn't wrong, you are stupid. You must be to spin what I said into what you said. Holy crap dude!!

 

[broncosmitty]

Yes. Both you and Coach Ed are correct. "DR E" appears to be a source of confusion. SOS has very limited applicability to the upcoming season given 14 of the 16 games are set in stone. In this league, its not who you play, its when you play them. JMO. GL this upcoming season.

Are you aware Doctor E is TPauls close personal friend? And you most likely will be insulted for daring to oppose his great and longwinded knowledge?

Prepare yourself for the wrath of The Boss. (DunDunDunnnnnn)

 

[broncosmitty]

Oh, looks like he beat me to the punch.

Like a Bause.

 

[Dr. Evil-er]

That's because we beat a bunch of teams with losing records. DUH!!!!

My bad on this, I typed it to fast and its wrong. Who we beat last year is not relevant to the SOS for this year. That's based on the records last year of the teams we play this year. My apologies.

 

[gandydancer]

Of course its the GMs fault for choosing the wrong coaches but its not as if they can have whoever they want either. I didnt like Schwartz that much and his style but I never really complained too much.

My share of blame is split between the players, coaches and Mayhew. Cant blame one guy.

My post was sarcasm entirely for you. Then, your post made me think that "we people" the bashers talk of the guilty party's. Why do you defend almost everyone of them if we speak of their faults?

 

[gandydancer]

Of course its the GMs fault for choosing the wrong coaches but its not as if they can have whoever they want either. I didnt like Schwartz that much and his style but I never really complained too much.

Funny, I loved the Gym Shorts hiring believing the defense would improve. WRONG! Started to hate the hiring rather quickly.

Was not happy with the Caldwell hiring thinking the defense would become worse than it was. That the offense would be priority. Offense may still be Caldwell's top priority, not sure yet?
WRONG again. The defense became top ranked. Started liking the hiring mid season with Austin's scheme.

 

[lionstop1]

My post was sarcasm entirely for you. Then, your post made me think that "we people" the bashers talk of the guilty party's. Why do you defend almost everyone of them if we speak of their faults?

I dont feel as if Im defending them, I just mention other possibilities and ask people to consider other things instead of letting their emotions bring forth all the crazy things people say.

I dont look at ANYTHING like its white and black, I always believe in those grey areas. I think the majority of our statements being made here are somewhat way off with the exception of a few things.

 

[lionstop1]

My post was sarcasm entirely for you. Then, your post made me think that "we people" the bashers talk of the guilty party's. Why do you defend almost everyone of them if we speak of their faults?

I dont feel as if Im defending them, I just mention other possibilities and ask people to consider other things instead of letting their emotions bring forth all the crazy things people say.

I dont look at ANYTHING like its white and black, I always believe in those grey areas. I think the majority of our statements being made here are somewhat way off with the exception of a few things.