The Walking Dead

[Thumper]

I actually like Alexandria and hope somehow it works out, i'd like to see our group trying to bring more people in, I realize that might get boring however so i'm thinking we do not have many episodes left in Alexandria...

What happened to Carol? She seems to have put a toe over the line...

They could live in Alexandria as a normal town, just like any other TV show, but with missions & raids & recruiting & internecine quarrels and battles.

Carol has become righteous about Justice. There are no jails. No courts. No judges. Almost any "crime" ends up in a death penalty.

 

[Thumper]

That's what I told wifey last night when we were watching it. She said he was losing his marbles due to PTSD. I said "nah, he just doesn't want his secret getting out."

I think he just wants Rick's group out of the picture so he can start over with a clean slate.

No. He wants to die. He wanted to be punished for his sins. But in a world of death, he can't get killed!

 

[Thumper]

As much as I hate to be THAT guy, Carol shot Lizzy after Lizzy killed Mika.

I too think Carol is going to soften up towards Sam. While I can see how she'd be a bit annoyed by him, I'm surprised she acted like such a bitch to him in this past episode. The necessary threat from last week is completely understandable, but to be a bitch to him this week I found a bit odd. Maybe she just doesn't want to allow herself to get attached to any more kids or something. But this particular kid has knowledge that can ruin her. The threat was a good move, but aside from that I'd be doing everything I could to stay on his good side, if that includes cookie blackmail then so be it.

The threat works if the kid is afraid. Letting her guard down and just being nice would end up in the kid telling.

 

[Thumper]

Well, that's kinda "out of it" if ya ask me... The kid didn't kill anyone in the group, he wasn't bitten, he simply walked in while she was stealing guns from the people who gave her and the group a chance at safety.

She thought of a way to not have to kill the kid. It was kill him or something else. Really scaring him seems to be working so far, but she took a big risk.

 

[Thumper]

She didn't kill Sam, but she did kill Lizzy...

That was an absolutely necessary killing.

Lizzy would get other people killed no matter what. She couldn't be controlled. She was getting worse and worse.

She would have ended up yelling when walkers come around. Even if the begged her to keep quiet. Tie her up all the time? Cut out her tongue? Not practical.

 

[Thumper]

Is there a farm at the new place? They have grass yards. Why not corn & tomatoes, etc.?

What about fishing? Why no ponds or lakes/rivers full of fish?

Livestock? Cows, chickens, pigs, frogs, etc.

Why wouldn't deer be all over the place? Also wolves...

They are still getting stuff in grocery stores?

 

[OutlawImmortal]

I didn't know they were doing an Everybody Hates Chris cameo in this episode. Best moment was Eugene in the van luring the walkers away.

What's with Carol already wanting to kill someone? Is there even a jail in Alexandria?

 

[omarsrevenge]

Great Episode. Revolving door of death was a nice touch. Shits going to hit the fan when Deanna hears her son is dead. Can't wait for next week

 

[Thumper]

Is it that clear cut, that if Gabriel, the minister, had played the hero, and opened the church doors to the mass of townspeople fleeing a walker horde that it would have been successful?

So he was "wrong" not to open the doors, when really they all would have gotten killed.

Don't sailers close doors on potentially sinking torpedoed ships & submarines, to seal off millions of gallons of water, but they know there are other sailers on the other side who will die, or when soldiers are getting their position overrun so they call in an air strike but it will kill some of them?

I get it Gabriel is the bad guy preacher but why would we have expected a man of the cloth to be a heroic warrior?

 

[Psych-Ward]

I get it Gabriel is the bad guy preacher but why would we have expected a man of the cloth to be a heroic warrior?

Do to others as you would have them do to you.

Luke 6:31, Gabriel should know this and when he gets what's coming to him, he should be understanding of it!!!

 

[Thumper]

Do onto others.....

Yeah, but "only in the movies or comic books," would you open a locked door and hundreds of people run in but none of the thousands of zombies chasing them, and everybody lives happily ever after.

He could have "done the right thing" and died along with the crowd, but then the group never would have met him.

Just saying it's not like he was a James Bond or a Batman who would have saved the day.

Also, the Disciples, and many people in the Bible constantly failed to live up to expected standards.

People complain about Carol becoming too much of a killer, and complain about Gabriel being not enough of an action figure, hero killer.

 

[handicappers]

If I was killing zombies, it would be best to be part of a Crew. You could kill more zombies that way and someone would always have your back.

 

[calsnowskier]

That was an absolutely necessary killing.

Lizzy would get other people killed no matter what. She couldn't be controlled. She was getting worse and worse.

She would have ended up yelling when walkers come around. Even if the begged her to keep quiet. Tie her up all the time? Cut out her tongue? Not practical.

That's my point.

 

[Psych-Ward]

Yeah, but "only in the movies or comic books," would you open a locked door and hundreds of people run in but none of the thousands of zombies chasing them, and everybody lives happily ever after.

He could have "done the right thing" and died along with the crowd, but then the group never would have met him.

Just saying it's not like he was a James Bond or a Batman who would have saved the day.

Also, the Disciples, and many people in the Bible constantly failed to live up to expected standards.

People complain about Carol becoming too much of a killer, and complain about Gabriel being not enough of an action figure, hero killer.

Understandable, but he turned his back on his people when they needed him most. So when he gets whats coming to him, it shouldn't surprise him at all!!!!

This isn't about the disciples or anyone else in the Bible, it was his judgement day and he kicked the pooch. There won't be any salvation for him once Rick and the others find out what he has been running his mouth about.

And how is Carol too much of a killer in a kill or be killed world???

 

[Beengay fudgepackers]

I need a little help here. In the preview following this weeks episode there are 4 freshly dug graves. Obviously one is for Aiden and another is for Noah. I may be missing something here, but what are the other two for? Maybe Tara bites it, but there is still one more grave. Is someone going to die in next weeks episode? Did someone die under Abrahams watch that I missed? Does Rick kill that one guy? I feel like more deaths are upon us. Maybe some twists we weren't expecting. I hope one is for Gabriel.

 

[Thumper]

The show likes to show transformations. Carol from beaten wife into killer. The suicidal blonde. Even Eugene from non-violent until the last show. And mess with stereotypes. Tyrese & Gabriel, the non-violent Black men.

Gabriel ripped up a Bible, which might spook even an atheist. He's saying the book is a lie in the zombie apocalypse? But actually, The Walking Dead has gone well out of its way to include and employ many Bible passages which tend to reinforce that The Dead will rise and Walk again. But that's true, not a lie.

But he still is wearing his Preacher's suit and speaking religious gibberish.

Why does Gabriel destroy the Bible but continue to wear the cloth? When he talks to the leader of Alexandria, he in effect calls Rick and the group, Satanic. Rick could be Satan as he comes in disguises (not the red pointy tail, and horn, etc. ).

Why does Gabriel tear up a Bible but then go and talk Bible talk to Denna?

Lastly, did he betray them by the warning? He's saying the are dangerous and cannot be trusted. True, right? Rick & Carrol are suddenly plotting the Doctor's murder on a flimsy suspicion of Carol over alleged domestic violence. And Rick could have a new blonde woman he already is lusting for- the Doctor's wife.

Just like season one, where his own wife got taken away by Shane and Rick ended up killing him.

 

[Thumper]

I need a little help here. In the preview following this weeks episode there are 4 freshly dug graves. Obviously one is for Aiden and another is for Noah. I may be missing something here, but what are the other two for? Maybe Tara bites it, but there is still one more grave. Is someone going to die in next weeks episode? Did someone die under Abrahams watch that I missed? Does Rick kill that one guy? I feel like more deaths are upon us. Maybe some twists we weren't expecting. I hope one is for Gabriel.

Maybe Glenn kills the guy who got people killed on the mission, including the revolving door.

 

[jakedog56]

Is it that clear cut, that if Gabriel, the minister, had played the hero, and opened the church doors to the mass of townspeople fleeing a walker horde that it would have been successful?

So he was "wrong" not to open the doors, when really they all would have gotten killed.

Don't sailers close doors on potentially sinking torpedoed ships & submarines, to seal off millions of gallons of water, but they know there are other sailers on the other side who will die, or when soldiers are getting their position overrun so they call in an air strike but it will kill some of them?

I get it Gabriel is the bad guy preacher but why would we have expected a man of the cloth to be a heroic warrior?

He is a priest. He has dedicated his life to his religion and based all of his beliefs in faith. People expect a priest to be held to a higher moral standard than the average person.

Plus, it wasn't like he locked his own house against his own flock: He locked the doors to the house of god (!) to the faithful believers who looked for shelter in time of need! I am personally not a very religious man but that to me is a sickening affront to everything that religion stands for!

If it was me and I locked my doors to begging people in this situation, I would be an ass but it would be somewhat understandable and not necessarily an act of cowardice, but possibly just self-perservation. For a priest to do this to his own people is shockingly disgusting.

If he really had an ounce of belief in the standards that he had put his faith in for his entire life, he would have opened the doors and let the flock in and believe that god would protect him and the faithful.

I argue that his actions are not acceptable or defendable in any way shape or form. His betrayal is one of the lowest possible and now he is componding it by trying to drive a wedge between the two groups.

 

[lilchi721]

I need a little help here. In the preview following this weeks episode there are 4 freshly dug graves. Obviously one is for Aiden and another is for Noah. I may be missing something here, but what are the other two for? Maybe Tara bites it, but there is still one more grave. Is someone going to die in next weeks episode? Did someone die under Abrahams watch that I missed? Does Rick kill that one guy? I feel like more deaths are upon us. Maybe some twists we weren't expecting. I hope one is for Gabriel.

It won't be Tara this week. Sasha could be one.

 

[Thumper]

He is a priest. He has dedicated his life to his religion and based all of his beliefs in faith. People expect a priest to be held to a higher moral standard than the average person.

Plus, it wasn't like he locked his own house against his own flock: He locked the doors to the house of god (!) to the faithful believers who looked for shelter in time of need! I am personally not a very religious man but that to me is a sickening affront to everything that religion stands for!

If it was me and I locked my doors to begging people in this situation, I would be an ass but it would be somewhat understandable and not necessarily an act of cowardice, but possibly just self-perservation. For a priest to do this to his own people is shockingly disgusting.

If he really had an ounce of belief in the standards that he had put his faith in for his entire life, he would have opened the doors and let the flock in and believe that god would protect him and the faithful.

I argue that his actions are not acceptable or defendable in any way shape or form. His betrayal is one of the lowest possible and now he is componding it by trying to drive a wedge between the two groups.

People may expect a Priest to be held to a higher moral standard than the average person. They may expect a lot of things. But all are sinners. Nobody is free from sin. Not even clergy.

So the Priest is a sinner- just like everybody else. And no sin is greater or lessor in the eyes of God, whether lying or murder, so. Father Gabriel isn't any better or worse than many survivors in the post apocalyptic world.

Also, do not judge, lest you be judged.