Western Carolina coach Mark Speir calls out Buckeroo Herbie

[Tharvot]

What was the point of posting this?

he has a hardon for tOSU.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

1. My point overall is that sec teams are rewarded for bad seasons. Or mediocre seasons.

My point is these sec teams get away with cupcakes late in season because of ranked teams who shouldn't have been ranked like Carolina, like a&m. usc isn't a contender right now but in years that they were if they had a western Carolina on schedule then they likely wouldn't have played for championship. Should Alabama beat auburn and Georgia. Then you add those teams to list who shouldn't be ranked to open season. I question if Alabama would be sitting in same position if they weren't gifted #2 spot in preseason rankings.

1. So lets explore this shall we since you seem so hung on preseason rankings. Now lets start with UCLA at 7 in the preseason, current rank is 9 but they got that 7 on the strength of 10-3, 9-5, and 6-8 seasons previously. So its possible they were about correct give or take.

Oklahoma got its #3 ranking based solely on a 11-2 season last year that ended with a beating of Alabama. Actually the #3 came from beating Bama, lets not kid ourselves. They are currently ranked 20th. Sounds overrated to me. and guess what, they are not in the SEC.

Michigan State was 8th based on 13-1, 7-6 and 11-3 prior seasons. Now thats not a bad ranking and about right in my opinion, but no consistency gets you a top 10 ranking? And they are currently ranked 10th with 2 losses on the year. A bit overrated from where they started.

Baylor was 10th based on 11-2, 8-5, and 10-3 seasons. This seems about right to me but who am I. Lack of consistency gets a top 10 spot? currently ranked 5th.

Wisky was 14th based on a 9-4 season last year. the previous year they were 8-5. Seems a bit overrated to me to start at 14th on the strength of those stats, yet there they are. currently 14th with two losses.

USC is 15th based on 10-4, 7-6, 10-2 seasons. Now this seems a bit overrated to me , what about you. they are currently 7-4 and not ranked. Sounds like a big overrated to me. Based on what, a good recruiting class and coaching change?

Notre Dame was 17th and is not ranked, enough said. Overrated.
UNC was 23rd and is no longer ranked. In fact they got that ranking based on a stellar 3 year 7-6, 8-4, 7-6. So i think we can say overrated, but they had a good recruiting class last year. Currently 6-5.

Texas was 24th and all based on the strength of its name due to a 3 year 8-5, 9-4, 8-5 string. Sounds overrated to me and they are currently 6-5 and not ranked.

As for Bama being gifted a number 2 spot. Here are some stats for you to bolster why they got that. they are currently 11-1 and if they win out, they are in. 3 year average that anyone would kill for in CFB is 11-2, 13-1, 12-1 and 5 straight number 1 recruiting classes. Hard to see the gift pal, but you go right on ahead with your biased thought, especially about Bama. USC only wishes it had Bama's recent string of great play and wins.

So now when you refer to overrated, make sure you bring in the list from above that shows its not just SEC that gets gifted spots, many teams do, in fact I would be most do at one point or another in their existence.

 

[WestEndVol]

1. So lets explore this shall we since you seem so hung on preseason rankings. Now lets start with UCLA at 7 in the preseason, current rank is 9 but they got that 7 on the strength of 10-3, 9-5, and 6-8 seasons previously. So its possible they were about correct give or take.

Oklahoma got its #3 ranking based solely on a 11-2 season last year that ended with a beating of Alabama. Actually the #3 came from beating Bama, lets not kid ourselves. They are currently ranked 20th. Sounds overrated to me. and guess what, they are not in the SEC.

Michigan State was 8th based on 13-1, 7-6 and 11-3 prior seasons. Now thats not a bad ranking and about right in my opinion, but no consistency gets you a top 10 ranking? And they are currently ranked 10th with 2 losses on the year. A bit overrated from where they started.

Baylor was 10th based on 11-2, 8-5, and 10-3 seasons. This seems about right to me but who am I. Lack of consistency gets a top 10 spot? currently ranked 5th.

Wisky was 14th based on a 9-4 season last year. the previous year they were 8-5. Seems a bit overrated to me to start at 14th on the strength of those stats, yet there they are. currently 14th with two losses.

USC is 15th based on 10-4, 7-6, 10-2 seasons. Now this seems a bit overrated to me , what about you. they are currently 7-4 and not ranked. Sounds like a big overrated to me. Based on what, a good recruiting class and coaching change?

Notre Dame was 17th and is not ranked, enough said. Overrated.
UNC was 23rd and is no longer ranked. In fact they got that ranking based on a stellar 3 year 7-6, 8-4, 7-6. So i think we can say overrated, but they had a good recruiting class last year. Currently 6-5.

Texas was 24th and all based on the strength of its name due to a 3 year 8-5, 9-4, 8-5 string. Sounds overrated to me and they are currently 6-5 and not ranked.

As for Bama being gifted a number 2 spot. Here are some stats for you to bolster why they got that. they are currently 11-1 and if they win out, they are in. 3 year average that anyone would kill for in CFB is 11-2, 13-1, 12-1 and 5 straight number 1 recruiting classes. Hard to see the gift pal, but you go right on ahead with your biased thought, especially about Bama. USC only wishes it had Bama's recent string of great play and wins.

So now when you refer to overrated, make sure you bring in the list from above that shows its not just SEC that gets gifted spots, many teams do, in fact I would be most do at one point or another in their existence.

#11 Stanford
#15 USC
#25 Washington

All teams that started ranked, but are not currently in the AP top 25. Guess they were gifted their rankings just like LSU, A&M and South Carolina.

 

[trojanfight]

1. So lets explore this shall we since you seem so hung on preseason rankings. Now lets start with UCLA at 7 in the preseason, current rank is 9 but they got that 7 on the strength of 10-3, 9-5, and 6-8 seasons previously. So its possible they were about correct give or take.

Oklahoma got its #3 ranking based solely on a 11-2 season last year that ended with a beating of Alabama. Actually the #3 came from beating Bama, lets not kid ourselves. They are currently ranked 20th. Sounds overrated to me. and guess what, they are not in the SEC.

Michigan State was 8th based on 13-1, 7-6 and 11-3 prior seasons. Now thats not a bad ranking and about right in my opinion, but no consistency gets you a top 10 ranking? And they are currently ranked 10th with 2 losses on the year. A bit overrated from where they started.

Baylor was 10th based on 11-2, 8-5, and 10-3 seasons. This seems about right to me but who am I. Lack of consistency gets a top 10 spot? currently ranked 5th.

Wisky was 14th based on a 9-4 season last year. the previous year they were 8-5. Seems a bit overrated to me to start at 14th on the strength of those stats, yet there they are. currently 14th with two losses.

USC is 15th based on 10-4, 7-6, 10-2 seasons. Now this seems a bit overrated to me , what about you. they are currently 7-4 and not ranked. Sounds like a big overrated to me. Based on what, a good recruiting class and coaching change?

Notre Dame was 17th and is not ranked, enough said. Overrated.
UNC was 23rd and is no longer ranked. In fact they got that ranking based on a stellar 3 year 7-6, 8-4, 7-6. So i think we can say overrated, but they had a good recruiting class last year. Currently 6-5.

Texas was 24th and all based on the strength of its name due to a 3 year 8-5, 9-4, 8-5 string. Sounds overrated to me and they are currently 6-5 and not ranked.

As for Bama being gifted a number 2 spot. Here are some stats for you to bolster why they got that. they are currently 11-1 and if they win out, they are in. 3 year average that anyone would kill for in CFB is 11-2, 13-1, 12-1 and 5 straight number 1 recruiting classes. Hard to see the gift pal, but you go right on ahead with your biased thought, especially about Bama. USC only wishes it had Bama's recent string of great play and wins.

So now when you refer to overrated, make sure you bring in the list from above that shows its not just SEC that gets gifted spots, many teams do, in fact I would be most do at one point or another in their existence.

now if alabama had started season anything from 11-14th would they be in position to win out as you say? considering they hadn't beaten anyone worth a damn prior to playing ole miss. and ole miss loss would have hypothetically dropped them into the 18th spot or so. now would wins over a&m and LSU have made any major jumps to rankings. not really no. and again a lot of its a direct result of ranking these teams so high. wheres miss st ranked right now if they start the season unranked?

 

[Tharvot]

Herbie was right. It is an embarrassment. There are plenty of division 1 schools out there. tSEC just schedules jokes like that to pad the schedule and the stats.

 

[trojanfight]

#11 Stanford
#15 USC
#25 Washington

All teams that started ranked, but are not currently in the AP top 25. Guess they were gifted their rankings just like LSU, A&M and South Carolina.

that list just doesn't compare washington might as well just throw them out considering they were barely on bubble anyway. USC your right 4 losses. ill give you stanford...but the thing that it doesn't do like the sec is give stepping stones to other teams climbing the rankings. you can say they were overrated by polls sure..but how did that effect the future rankings..what team is higher ranked now because of playing those teams? you can argue it significantly helped out miss st and ole miss having a&m, LSU and south carolina ranked. think theres a big difference in overranking someone at 15...and at 7 or 8.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

now if alabama had started season anything from 11-14th would they be in position to win out as you say? considering they hadn't beaten anyone worth a damn prior to playing ole miss. and ole miss loss would have hypothetically dropped them into the 18th spot or so. now would wins over a&m and LSU have made any major jumps to rankings. not really no. and again a lot of its a direct result of ranking these teams so high. wheres miss st ranked right now if they start the season unranked?

Why on gods green earth would you place a team that lowly ranked based on what they have done over the last 6 years? Number 1 classes, 3 BSC titles, 11 win seasons the norm. Why would you have them ranked out of the top 10 for any reason at all based on where others got ranked that didnt have near the qualifications.

And to answer your question, yes they would still be in the top 5 based on what they have done over the past 6 years. They are not a slouch team, they can honestly play with anyone in the country on any given day. Even the OU game last year was a 7 point game until :47 seconds to go in the game. This obsession you have with teams being overrated is just that, an obsession. Look at my info and tell me that it doesnt happen with other teams too.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

that list just doesn't compare washington might as well just throw them out considering they were barely on bubble anyway. USC your right 4 losses. ill give you stanford...but the thing that it doesn't do like the sec is give stepping stones to other teams climbing the rankings. you can say they were overrated by polls sure..but how did that effect the future rankings..what team is higher ranked now because of playing those teams? you can argue it significantly helped out miss st and ole miss having a&m, LSU and south carolina ranked. think theres a big difference in overranking someone at 15...and at 7 or 8.

Ole Miss is falling apart with three losses in a row attributed to injuries by key players. Miss St is a dangerous team for anyone who plays them and has only lost one game to possibly one of the best all around two or three teams in the country. You dont know much about why Ole miss is suddenly falling apart do you?

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

Herbie was right. It is an embarrassment. There are plenty of division 1 schools out there. tSEC just schedules jokes like that to pad the schedule and the stats.

We tried to get a B1G team to take WCU's place, but the drop in SoS was too much to take to play a B1G team.

 

[Erie Warrior]

We tried to get a B1G team to take WCU's place, but the drop in SoS was too much to take to play a B1G team.

 

[trojanfight]

Why on gods green earth would you place a team that lowly ranked based on what they have done over the last 6 years? Number 1 classes, 3 BSC titles, 11 win seasons the norm. Why would you have them ranked out of the top 10 for any reason at all based on where others got ranked that didnt have near the qualifications.

And to answer your question, yes they would still be in the top 5 based on what they have done over the past 6 years. They are not a slouch team, they can honestly play with anyone in the country on any given day. Even the OU game last year was a 7 point game until :47 seconds to go in the game. This obsession you have with teams being overrated is just that, an obsession. Look at my info and tell me that it doesnt happen with other teams too.

based on losing to 2 games...the game wasn't as close as the score showed. mccarron was on his back the whole game. i don't see why history of your team has anything to do with the rankings...the prior year sure...but oh they won the bcs 3 times. if oregon were to drop another game i don't believe they should be given a top 5 ranking to open season either. same with ohio st. and again i don't think #1 classes are all that they are cracked up to be. some of the better rated players in last years class haven't done squat this year for alabama. forget the kids name but had some highly rated DE..havent heard anything about him. not every high rated recruit pans out.

never said they were a slouch team but all things considered i find it questionable if they are indeed the current #1 team. throw in that any formidable non conference foe they won't play them at any disadvantage situation i.e. on the road. no chance for upset game playing a fcs game in november before rivalry week. FSU struggled with boston college. I'm sure they would have won easily vs western carolina. I've always said that half of alabama success isn't on field its in the AD office creating favorable schedule.

 

[trojanfight]

Ole Miss is falling apart with three losses in a row attributed to injuries by key players. Miss St is a dangerous team for anyone who plays them and has only lost one game to possibly one of the best all around two or three teams in the country. You dont know much about why Ole miss is suddenly falling apart do you?

only one i know much about is treadwell the injury that was apparently posted in paper of winning team. i wasn't ever sold on either miss st team. the further decline of the SEC is what i chalk their success up to. bo wallace..im not sure he would have a starting job in pac or big 12. injuries are a part of the game. you get no sympathy from voters because of it. the year usc lost 6 games matt barkley was injured for 3 of those games...voters didn't care about that when they weren't ranked to open season. miss st is decent from day 1 I've said their defense was horrible...and again with the non conference schedule they got 4 free wins

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

based on losing to 2 games...the game wasn't as close as the score showed. mccarron was on his back the whole game. i don't see why history of your team has anything to do with the rankings...the prior year sure...but oh they won the bcs 3 times. if oregon were to drop another game i don't believe they should be given a top 5 ranking to open season either. same with ohio st. and again i don't think #1 classes are all that they are cracked up to be. some of the better rated players in last years class haven't done squat this year for alabama. forget the kids name but had some highly rated DE..havent heard anything about him. not every high rated recruit pans out.

never said they were a slouch team but all things considered i find it questionable if they are indeed the current #1 team. throw in that any formidable non conference foe they won't play them at any disadvantage situation i.e. on the road. no chance for upset game playing a fcs game in november before rivalry week. FSU struggled with boston college. I'm sure they would have won easily vs western carolina. I've always said that half of alabama success isn't on field its in the AD office creating favorable schedule.

That game was 7 points with :48 seconds on the clock, thats pretty damn close in my opinion considering as you claim, McCarron was on his back the entire game. As for the rest of what you stated, you apparently dont understand how teams get ranked in preseason polls, so i will let that all slide.

Last year Oregon lost two games, got a number three ranking this year preseason. Oklahoma lost 2 games last year and started the year 4th. Ohio State lost 2 games last year and started the year ranked 5th. UCLA lost 3 games last year and started the year ranked 7th. Michigan State lost one game and started the year at 8th? while UCLA had 3 losses and is ahead of them? Thats PAC 12 bias isnt it? So please spare me the Bama hate, its starting to show you to be a very biased asshole with no basis for an argument but Bama and SEC hate. Fact is if Bama wins out then they will make the playoffs and it has nothing to do with bias, they will have earned it.

 

[Tharvot]

We tried to get a B1G team to take WCU's place, but the drop in SoS was too much to take to play a B1G team.

I see that, but what I read is "My school is too big a pussy to complete their schedule with D1 schools"

It's ok, since the entire SEC is comprised of similar pussification. Sweet win last week tho brah. Hard fought!

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

only one i know much about is treadwell the injury that was apparently posted in paper of winning team. i wasn't ever sold on either miss st team. the further decline of the SEC is what i chalk their success up to. bo wallace..im not sure he would have a starting job in pac or big 12. injuries are a part of the game. you get no sympathy from voters because of it. the year usc lost 6 games matt barkley was injured for 3 of those games...voters didn't care about that when they weren't ranked to open season. miss st is decent from day 1 I've said their defense was horrible...and again with the non conference schedule they got 4 free wins

He was their offense and the main reason they were capable of scoring when they needed to. Now they dont have him and they also lost a defensive player or two that have hampered them. When you have a star player like Treadwell go down and no one to replace him that can draw the double teams, that makes you one dimensional and able to be teed off on defensively, which spells doom for the QB. I too am no Wallace fan, but he does show heart and you have to give him that much. Always knew he could be pressured into making mistakes.

Miss State is a legit team that is starting to let pressure get to them. they have not been there enough to know how to deal with that pressure. Thats why teams like Bama, Oklahoma, Oregon win in pressure situations, they know how and have been there and done that.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

I see that, but what I read is "My school is too big a pussy to complete their schedule with D1 schools"

It's ok, since the entire SEC is comprised of similar pussification. Sweet win last week tho brah. Hard fought!

They started the year with a tough team that even Baylor had trouble with, and TCU had to come from behind to beat. Now that its late in the year and WVU is falling apart its not a good win, but it was when all three teams played WVU.

As for scheduling, its all a frame of mind, if it bothers you them thats on you. It doesnt bother me as they play enough tough games all year that one bad game(and they played really dirty against us) against a 7-4 FCS team is a wash to me. Too many other things more important to worry about to get all jimmy rustled over a team playing an FCS game in November.

 

[trojanfight]

That game was 7 points with :48 seconds on the clock, thats pretty damn close in my opinion considering as you claim, McCarron was on his back the entire game. As for the rest of what you stated, you apparently dont understand how teams get ranked in preseason polls, so i will let that all slide.

Last year Oregon lost two games, got a number three ranking this year preseason. Oklahoma lost 2 games last year and started the year 4th. Ohio State lost 2 games last year and started the year ranked 5th. UCLA lost 3 games last year and started the year ranked 7th. Michigan State lost one game and started the year at 8th? while UCLA had 3 losses and is ahead of them? Thats PAC 12 bias isnt it? So please spare me the Bama hate, its starting to show you to be a very biased asshole with no basis for an argument but Bama and SEC hate. Fact is if Bama wins out then they will make the playoffs and it has nothing to do with bias, they will have earned it.

could be closer that i remember. of course when your "sec defense" gets torched through the air then thats some if it too. wasn't just losing but how the defense was destroyed. with that being the last taste in voters mouth of alabama defense I'm not sure how you rank them #2. its clear that their is a sec bias. some of the sec fans admit it. its talked about on tv and radio nationally. yes alabama will be in playoff should they win out. I'm not so sure how much they earned it however. again they have a favorable system to make it there. pretty sure i said it last year that alabama after playing A&M early in season had 6 or 7 weeks of coasting football. i don't see my self as bias as much as i see alabama and sec fans defending at all costs. neutral sites oh that doesn't matter its for recruiting and money. late season cupcakes oh that doesn't matter either. alabama non conference games on road...1 or in almost 15 years...oh that doesn't matter either. alabama fans want us to think non of these advantages have contributed to their run of championships...

when alabama opened up at 2. i spoke out on it. and tons of bama fans here said oh alabama down year, this and that, i brought up the schedule..etc seems that tune has changed now. now they deserve to be there. would alabama have won @ west virginia...in this lifetime we won't likely know

 

[Tharvot]

They started the year with a tough team that even Baylor had trouble with, and TCU had to come from behind to beat. Now that its late in the year and WVU is falling apart its not a good win, but it was when all three teams played WVU.

As for scheduling, its all a frame of mind, if it bothers you them thats on you. It doesnt bother me as they play enough tough games all year that one bad game(and they played really dirty against us) against a 7-4 FCS team is a wash to me. Too many other things more important to worry about to get all jimmy rustled over a team playing an FCS game in November.

It's ok if you schedule FCS teams, I really don't mind. It's a nice paycheck for that school. Just don't count it as an official win and exclude all stats from the game.

Be careful tho, don't pull a Michigan.

 

[trojanfight]

He was their offense and the main reason they were capable of scoring when they needed to. Now they dont have him and they also lost a defensive player or two that have hampered them. When you have a star player like Treadwell go down and no one to replace him that can draw the double teams, that makes you one dimensional and able to be teed off on defensively, which spells doom for the QB. I too am no Wallace fan, but he does show heart and you have to give him that much. Always knew he could be pressured into making mistakes.

Miss State is a legit team that is starting to let pressure get to them. they have not been there enough to know how to deal with that pressure. Thats why teams like Bama, Oklahoma, Oregon win in pressure situations, they know how and have been there and done that.

speaking on treadwell i always raised my eye brow at that signing. at the time ole miss was unknown. just someone for other sec teams to beat up on. found it questionable that a top 20 recruit would want to play there. now that ole miss is under investigation where theres smoke..... maybe just good recruiting. but generally for most part there isn't a ton of out of area talent in SEC country. here and there yeah. kids from illinois.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

could be closer that i remember. of course when your "sec defense" gets torched through the air then thats some if it too. wasn't just losing but how the defense was destroyed. with that being the last taste in voters mouth of alabama defense I'm not sure how you rank them #2. its clear that their is a sec bias. some of the sec fans admit it. its talked about on tv and radio nationally. yes alabama will be in playoff should they win out. I'm not so sure how much they earned it however. again they have a favorable system to make it there. pretty sure i said it last year that alabama after playing A&M early in season had 6 or 7 weeks of coasting football. i don't see my self as bias as much as i see alabama and sec fans defending at all costs. neutral sites oh that doesn't matter its for recruiting and money. late season cupcakes oh that doesn't matter either. alabama non conference games on road...1 or in almost 15 years...oh that doesn't matter either. alabama fans want us to think non of these advantages have contributed to their run of championships...

when alabama opened up at 2. i spoke out on it. and tons of bama fans here said oh alabama down year, this and that, i brought up the schedule..etc seems that tune has changed now. now they deserve to be there. would alabama have won @ west virginia...in this lifetime we won't likely know

All of what you said amounted to what? That Bama didnt deserve a top 10 ranking in the preseason? Yet UCLA with three losses did? or Oklahoma who is nowhere in the picture now deserved a top ranking? Or Oregon who lost two games deserved a top spot? Please just say what you mean and stop with the log post that says nothing of note. Bama was as deserving of a top spot as any team that i mentioned and more so than UCLA, yet where's your hate for them getting that top 10 spot with three losses?

Oh and so you know, Bama did have one of the worst defenses of its past 6 years last year and that is not even close to debatable.