Western Carolina coach Mark Speir calls out Buckeroo Herbie

[MarkOU]

Ooh please stop trying to justify it.

Play the god damn games in August/September.

OOH our schedule is soo hard

Go to a new conference if its too hard for you then.

 

[theSabanator20]

And FYI, Saban wanted 9 conference games. The ONLY coach to vote for it in the SEC. So fuck off haters.

 

[theSabanator20]

Team A November schedule

Virginia
@Miami FL
Boston College
Florida

Team B November schedule

Illinois
@Michigan State
@Minnesota
Indiana
Michigan

Team C November schedule

Stanford
@Utah
Colorado
@Oregon State

Team D November schedule

@West Virginia
Kansas State
@Kansas
@Texas

Team E November schedule

@LSU
Mississippi State
Western Carolina
Auburn

Please list who has the toughest schedule of these 5 teams in order of strongest to weakest.

Ooh please stop trying to justify it.

Play the god damn games in August/September.

OOH our schedule is soo hard

Go to a new conference if its too hard for you then and stop the bitching about how hard it the conference is.

I'm giving you the power to justify your reasoning, but all I see is whining.

 

[MarkOU]

And FYI, Saban wanted 9 conference games. The ONLY coach to vote for it in the SEC. So fuck off haters.

Then you should be in unison with us saying fuck these games but your not so obviously you don't give a fuck what saban wanted.

 

[MarkOU]

I'm giving you the power to justify your reasoning, but all I see is whining.

I don't need to justify shit.

OU plays its cupcake Out of Conf in August/Sept then its conference.

You know this is pretty much the standard format. From high school to college, even the NFL has now structured to play divisional games near the end of the year. Because these games matter and they are not games you can "take a day off" as they are commonly referred too.

You clearly know the advantage of playing Western what the fuck ever in November has before the Auburn game.

Get out of here with your stupid bullshit. You should be playing Georgia before Auburn, how about that or is it too hard?

 

[trojanfight]

Ummm.... the SEC is NOT the only conference that does this on a yearly basis. So don't take shots at JUST the SEC. That's jealousy otherwise.

guess Im confused. yes other conferences play these fcs teams...but TO MY KNOWLEDGE no other team plays them in November. I know the big ten at one point was making an effort not to play fcs teams anymore.

 

[trojanfight]

And FYI, Saban wanted 9 conference games. The ONLY coach to vote for it in the SEC. So fuck off haters.

as I stated in post earlier...im not so sure that if they went to 9 games that they would drop these fcs games. they would likely drop the other non conference cupcake games.

 

[MarkOU]

SEC fans want all the credit in the world for how tough their schedule is but when they get called out for playing this garbage late in the season here come the cries of but but our conference is so hard.

Can't have it both ways. I'd rather you just threw up the and said HAH fuck you bitches, we got a W.

 

[Beggs]

Team A November schedule

Virginia
@Miami FL
Boston College
Florida

Team B November schedule

Illinois
@Michigan State
@Minnesota
Indiana
Michigan

Team C November schedule

Stanford
@Utah
Colorado
@Oregon State

Team D November schedule

@West Virginia
Kansas State
@Kansas
@Texas

Team E November schedule

@LSU
Mississippi State
Western Carolina
Auburn

Please list who has the toughest schedule of these 5 teams in order of strongest to weakest.

B, D, A, E, C

 

[4down20]

You should be playing Georgia before Auburn, how about that or is it too hard?

Yes, that would be extremely hard because Georgia and Auburn play their rivalry the week before the Iron Bowl when it's not a FCS school there. And to make things even more difficult, the SEC assigns the conference schedule, not the individual teams. If that wasn't hard enough, Georgia vs Auburn game is a perm rival game that happens every year, while it's not for Alabama. So doing it every year would add a bit of difficulty even if you did somehow manage to have Alabama schedule it.

If it's such an advantage, then have your conference change. If you think it's something that really has a large affect on the strength and rankings of teams, then

 

[WestEndVol]

as I stated in post earlier...im not so sure that if they went to 9 games that they would drop these fcs games. they would likely drop the other non conference cupcake games.

Probably not, other teams play 9 conference games and still scheduled FCS teams.

Baylor - Northwestern St.
TCU - Samford
K-State - Stephen F. Austin
WVU - Towson
Oklahoma St. - Missouri St.
TTU - Central Arkansas
Iowa St. - NDSU
Kansas - Southeast Missouri St.

Oregon - South Dakota
Stanford - UC Davis
Washington - Eastern Washington
California - Sacramento St.
Oregon St. - Portland St.
Washington St. - Portland St.
Arizona St. - Weber St.
Utah - Idaho St.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

I don't need to justify shit.

OU plays its cupcake Out of Conf in August/Sept then its conference.

You know this is pretty much the standard format. From high school to college, even the NFL has now structured to play divisional games near the end of the year. Because these games matter and they are not games you can "take a day off" as they are commonly referred too.

You clearly know the advantage of playing Western what the fuck ever in November has before the Auburn game.

Get out of here with your stupid bullshit. You should be playing Georgia before Auburn, how about that or is it too hard?

You might want to take a good look at the NFL again. Divisional games start as early as week one. This year Carolina Played TB, Atlanta played NO and out of its first five games TB had 3 divisional games. So this argument is false.

In order to play Georgia before Auburn, we would have to have the SEC vote on nine games and approve it. Since Saban is the only one who voted YES on that ballot, this lends to a problem playing Georgia(or whoever the rotation would yield). since the SEC is 14 teams(not 10) this creates a rotation of other division opponents that is followed, so it would not be Georgia every year.

Sadly the only argument you and other come up with is its not how its done? Or its gay? or its not right? Cant see any real weight in schoolyard arguments. Imagine how the first man musta felt when he was told the earth was flat and we dont sail too far because we will fall off the earth. But why? because thats not how its done? Or when we decided to go to the moon and were told we cant because thats not how its done, we should stay here. Please tell me you guys are resting your argument on more than these lame arguments.

If you ever played the game, you know that players start to get really sore towards the end of the season and recovery time is longer. I see no problem with built in breaks other than the bye week, if you do then clearly you never played.

 

[ralphiewvu]

You might want to take a good look at the NFL again. Divisional games start as early as week one. This year Carolina Played TB, Atlanta played NO and out of its first five games TB had 3 divisional games. So this argument is false.

In order to play Georgia before Auburn, we would have to have the SEC vote on nine games and approve it. Since Saban is the only one who voted YES on that ballot, this lends to a problem playing Georgia(or whoever the rotation would yield). since the SEC is 14 teams(not 10) this creates a rotation of other division opponents that is followed, so it would not be Georgia every year.

Sadly the only argument you and other come up with is its not how its done? Or its gay? or its not right? Cant see any real weight in schoolyard arguments. Imagine how the first man musta felt when he was told the earth was flat and we dont sail too far because we will fall off the earth. But why? because thats not how its done? Or when we decided to go to the moon and were told we cant because thats not how its done, we should stay here. Please tell me you guys are resting your argument on more than these lame arguments.


If you ever played the game, you know that players start to get really sore towards the end of the season and recovery time is longer. I see no problem with built in breaks other than the bye week, if you do then clearly you never played.

3 of Carolina's last 4 opponents are divisional rivals. So the argument really isn't false.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

3 of Carolina's last 4 opponents are divisional rivals. So the argument really isn't false.

His comment was they are shifting them alll to later in the year and that is false. I showed teams that started the first game against divisional opponents. Its not hard to see the NFL schedules games randomly, not in one set pattern as he suggested.

 

[trojanfan12]

Keep crying about something that makes absolutely no difference.

A cupcake is a cupcake no matter when the game is played.

You SEC haters are really grasping for anything to put the SEC down. It's pretty damn funny if you ask me.

Actually, it does make a difference. A cupcake or 2 at the beginning of the year is fine because it's the start of the season and teams are still installing systems and getting up to speed for the season. They are essentially an extra practice or 2 and they give coaches an opportunity to evaluate players who are trying to earn playing time. They also allow for players who won't be seeing the field otherwise, an opportunity to play.

Scheduling these games late in the season is nothing more than an attempt to avoid a late season loss that most other teams are risking.

So, while a team like Alabama is ending their season with Western Carolina and the Iron Bowl, a team like UCLA is closing their season playing USC and Stanford. Oregon is ending their season with Cal and the Civil War.

There is a big difference between ending your season with an FCS school and a rivalry game and ending your season with a conference opponent and a rivalry game or in some cases, ending it with back to back rivalry games.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

Actually, it does make a difference. A cupcake or 2 at the beginning of the year is fine because it's the start of the season and teams are still installing systems and getting up to speed for the season. They are essentially an extra practice or 2 and they give coaches an opportunity to evaluate players who are trying to earn playing time. They also allow for players who won't be seeing the field otherwise, an opportunity to play.

Scheduling these games late in the season is nothing more than an attempt to avoid a late season loss that most other teams are risking.

So, while a team like Alabama is ending their season with Western Carolina and the Iron Bowl, a team like UCLA is closing their season playing USC and Stanford. Oregon is ending their season with Cal and the Civil War.

There is a big difference between ending your season with an FCS school and a rivalry game and ending your season with a conference opponent and a rivalry game or in some cases, ending it with back to back rivalry games.

So then you are essentially saying its ok to start the year being pussies and playing no one meaningful until week 3 or 4, but not ok to play a good team fromm week one, start conference play on week two or three and spead out your weaker opponents.

look i get the arguments you guys are making, but if a team is willing to start its year bolder than othrrs, why should they be frowned upon for playing their weaker teams at other times of the year just because thats how its always been done in the past. Frankly it would be boring as hell not having good games to watch until the 1/4 mark of the season if we didnt have a few tea,s man enough to schedule a bit tougher games to start a season than Idaho, or Northwest Polytechnic school for the blind. I am happy my team plays a better team to start the year and dont feel spreading its weaker teams is an issue. When the nine game ICS happens, this will hopefully change this practice, till the be happy someone is man enough to play week one against a P5 opponent.

 

[trojanfight]

Another thing that gets thrown around is oh well tell your Schools AD to schedule late season cupcakes. The concept only works if half of your conference is given rankings like sec has been lately. South Carolina has been crap along with a&am but land a few good recruits and who cares if you lost 4 or 5 games the year before. Majority of the time these great recruiting classes don't get a ton of playing time so I find it hard to understand why that makes a impact on rankings. Alabama had a #1 recruiting class pretty sure. How many of those incoming players have made impact on any games?

Arizona and ASU have had pretty good years I doubt either is ranked in top 25 but by all means let's rank auburn, lsu, Texas a&m, and South Carolina in top15

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

Another thing that gets thrown around is oh well tell your Schools AD to schedule late season cupcakes. The concept only works if half of your conference is given rankings like sec has been lately. South Carolina has been crap along with a&am but land a few good recruits and who cares if you lost 4 or 5 games the year before. Majority of the time these great recruiting classes don't get a ton of playing time so I find it hard to understand why that makes a impact on rankings. Alabama had a #1 recruiting class pretty sure. How many of those incoming players have made impact on any games?

Arizona and ASU have had pretty good years I doubt either is ranked in top 25 but by all means let's rank auburn, lsu, Texas a&m, and South Carolina in top15

Several of Alabama's recruits as true freshmen have had impacts, especially on the O-line. Whats your point?

And not to defend SC or A&M, but SC was 11 game winners in its past three seasons and A&M won 11 games in 2012 and 9 last year. Kinda hard to see crap in those win totals. So again, what is your point?

if its overrated, I would be happy to point out preseaon teams not SEC that got the benefit of high rankings only to falter in the season. Again, what is your point?

 

[NickVT10]

schedule your bye week for the 2nd to last week instead of playing the patsies. It is an insult to the fans to have those match ups in November

 

[trojanfight]

Several of Alabama's recruits as true freshmen have had impacts, especially on the O-line. Whats your point?

And not to defend SC or A&M, but SC was 11 game winners in its past three seasons and A&M won 11 games in 2012 and 9 last year. Kinda hard to see crap in those win totals. So again, what is your point?

if its overrated, I would be happy to point out preseaon teams not SEC that got the benefit of high rankings only to falter in the season. Again, what is your point?

My point overall is that sec teams are rewarded for bad seasons. Or mediocre seasons. My point is going forward into the preseason poll of 2015 we shouldn't have all these sec teams up there. But again if south Carolina and Texas a&m have a good recruiting class then here we go again with the top 10.

My point is these sec teams get away with cupcakes late in season because of ranked teams who shouldn't have been ranked like Carolina, like a&m. usc isn't a contender right now but in years that they were if they had a western Carolina on schedule then they likely wouldn't have played for championship. Should Alabama beat auburn and Georgia. Then you add those teams to list who shouldn't be ranked to open season. I question if Alabama would be sitting in same position if they weren't gifted #2 spot in preseason rankings.