Game Thread: Virginia Tech @ Ohio St

[ericd7633]

Anything that can't tell how good / bad a team looked while winning or losing is not valid in my eyes.

Margin of victory to a certain extent is overrated in my book. It doesn't matter if you've gone 12-0 and won 7 games by less than a TD, you're still 12-0. Hypothetically speaking.

 

[The Authority]

Margin of victory to a certain extent is overrated in my book. It doesn't matter if you've gone 12-0 and won 7 games by less than a TD, you're still 12-0. Hypothetically speaking.

Yea right.

Blowing someone out and getting lucky breaks to win by one point is obviously the same thing.

 

[ericd7633]

Yea right.

Blowing someone out and getting lucky breaks to win by one point is obviously the same thing.

Never said it was the same thing. And I said to a certain extent. For example beating McNeese State by a TD needs to be factored in because that's a bad opponent. And they were rightfully dropped in the rankings. As for another example, Ohio State beat a bad Michigan team by a point last year and in fact moved up in the rankings(FTR, Alabama lost that weekend to cause the jump, but still Ohio State would have at worst stayed the same)

 

[The Authority]

Never said it was the same thing. And I said to a certain extent. For example beating McNeese State by a TD needs to be factored in because that's a bad opponent. And they were rightfully dropped in the rankings. As for another example, Ohio State beat a bad Michigan team by a point last year and in fact moved up in the rankings(FTR, Alabama lost that weekend to cause the jump, but still Ohio State would have at worst stayed the same)

Well its either factored in or its not. computers don't factor it in, so you just agreed with my point.

 

[ericd7633]

Well its either factored in or its not. computers don't factor it in, so you just agreed with my point.

And the computers did the same exact thing the polls did in regards to Ohio State. It's obviously not factored in for the computers so it works both ways then balances out.

 

[The Authority]

And the computers did the same exact thing the polls did in regards to Ohio State. It's obviously not factored in for the computers so it works both ways then balances out.

only that one time plus computers can't factor in rivalry games and how that plays a part.

computer polls are not better so its a senseless argument.

That's why they carry zero weight these days.

 

[ericd7633]

only that one time plus computers can't factor in rivalry games and how that plays a part.

computer polls are not better so its a senseless argument.

That's why they carry zero weight these days.

LOL. It has happened more than once I can guarantee you that.

And as far as the polls to which you hold in high regard, a committee member already came out and said they are not meaningful. Also margin of victory is something they aren't putting much stock into either.

And yes, it also seems that they are approaching things analytically as well, with SOS being a factor, which comes back to where computer numbers will be helpful.

Wisconsin Badgers athletic director Barry Alvarez offers glimpse into his College Football Playoff criteria - ESPN

Your method of evaluation is basically the complete opposite of how the committee is going to do it, FWIW.

 

[The Authority]

LOL. It has happened more than once I can guarantee you that.

And as far as the polls to which you hold in high regard, a committee member already came out and said they are not meaningful. Also margin of victory is something they aren't putting much stock into either.

And yes, it also seems that they are approaching things analytically as well, with SOS being a factor, which comes back to where computer numbers will be helpful.

Wisconsin Badgers athletic director Barry Alvarez offers glimpse into his College Football Playoff criteria - ESPN

Your method of evaluation is basically the complete opposite of how the committee is going to do it, FWIW.

Do you ever have a point or do you just like to type meaningless jibberish that basically says nothing.

The bottom line is that computer rankings are not valid.

I never claimed my own method of evaluation. All I said is that using computer rankings is meaningless in regards to any point that i have made in this thread.

 

[ericd7633]

Do you ever have a point or do you just like to type meaningless jibberish that basically says nothing.

The bottom line is that computer rankings are not valid.

I never claimed my own method of evaluation. All I said is that using computer rankings is meaningless in regards to any point that i have made in this thread.

SOS and CPU rankings mean something = my point.
MOV and AP & Coaches poll are not very meaningful = my point

My points are backed by the people who will determine who participates in the college football playoff.

You've often spoken in terms of the polls as some end all be all.

 

[The Authority]

SOS and CPU rankings mean something = my point.
MOV and AP & Coaches poll are not very meaningful = my point

My points are backed by the people who will determine who participates in the college football playoff.

You've often spoken in terms of the polls as some end all be all.

SOS may mean something and those that vote in the AP and Coaches can and do factor that in.

Computer polls mean nothing to anyone.

 

[amszete]

Do you ever have a point or do you just like to type meaningless jibberish that basically says nothing.

The bottom line is that computer rankings are not valid.

I never claimed my own method of evaluation. All I said is that using computer rankings is meaningless in regards to any point that i have made in this thread.

And he stated computer rankings takes some of this into account by SOS, Margin of Victory and such. I would rather hope that someone in a play-off committee is looking at factual information rather than catching a game or two doing an "eye test" only. It all comes down to this committee in the end that picks the Top 4. The last thing we need is a Condoleezza Rice judging everything by what she thinks is a good team to her by a freaking eye test. There should be protocols the committee would follow as Eric linked.

Anything that can't tell how good / bad a team looked while winning or losing is not valid in my eyes.

 

[ericd7633]

SOS may mean something and those that vote in the AP and Coaches can and do factor that in.

Computer polls mean nothing to anyone.

SOS "may" mean something? So you'd be okay with a 12-0 Marshall over an 12-1 Ohio State?

And apparently there is an analytical approach that the committee cares about.

And again, the AP and Coaches aren't very meaningful. The AP hasn't been meaningful in over a decade.

 

[The Authority]

SOS "may" mean something? So you'd be okay with a 12-0 Marshall over an 12-1 Ohio State?

Once again you missed the point.

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And again, the AP and Coaches aren't very meaningful. The AP hasn't been meaningful in over a decade.

and computer polls are even less meaningful

 

[The Authority]

And he stated computer rankings takes some of this into account by SOS, Margin of Victory and such. I would rather hope that someone in a play-off committee is looking at factual information rather than catching a game or two doing an "eye test" only. It all comes down to this committee in the end that picks the Top 4. The last thing we need is a Condoleezza Rice judging everything by what she thinks is a good team to her by a freaking eye test. There should be protocols the committee would follow as Eric linked.

And the voters in AP and coaches poll take SOS into account too.

Computer polls by themselves are the most meaningless of all.

 

[ericd7633]

Once again you missed the point.



and computer polls are even less meaningful

You made it seem as though SOS isn't all that important. Hence my question. If I keep missing your point it's because you're doing a bad job of making it.

And like I said earlier I want something that factors in SOS. Thus computers are important in that aspect.

 

[The Authority]

You made it seem as though SOS isn't all that important. Hence my question. If I keep missing your point it's because you're doing a bad job of making it.

And like I said earlier I want something that factors in SOS. Thus computers are important in that aspect.

I never said SOS wasn't important. I said computer polls are meaningless which I have clearly stated. Not sure why its so difficult for you to grasp.

Computer polls are obviously not important because they are not used.


Is Marshall ahead of all the p5 one loss teams in the AP or coaches?

The answer is No. So SOS is taken into account. Along with how teams play.

 

[ericd7633]

I never said SOS wasn't important. I said computer polls are meaningless which I have clearly stated. Not sure why its so difficult for you to grasp.

Computer polls are obviously not important because they are not used.


Is Marshall ahead of all the p5 one loss teams in the AP or coaches?

The answer is No. So SOS is taken into account. Along with how teams play.

Schedule strength is derived of numbers. How do you come up with that without a computer? That's what I'm having trouble grasping. You want something to matter, but don't want what is used to come up with that number.

And you keep saying computers aren't used so they're meaningless but isn't that exactly the same with the AP & Coaches poll? How the hell are they meaningful in determining anything?

And in regards to Marshall. That's the same case with the computers too.

 

[The Authority]

Who would have thought that ESPN mentioning that tOSU was still a dark horse would cause eric to be so rustled to start a pointless argument?

 

[The Authority]

Schedule strength is derived of numbers. How do you come up with that without a computer? That's what I'm having trouble grasping. You want something to matter, but don't want what is used to come up with that number.

And you keep saying computers aren't used so they're meaningless but isn't that exactly the same with the AP & Coaches poll? How the hell are they meaningful in determining anything?

And in regards to Marshall. That's the same case with the computers too.

You don't need a computer to figure out who has a tougher SOS.

Plus SOS isn't everything. A team can have the same record, a tougher SOS but still be a worse team.

Every Media outlet uses the AP and Coaches when talking about rankings. Very few if any at all use Computers. To me that means they are more meaningful.

Computers miss out on other important factors.

 

[ericd7633]

Who would have thought that ESPN mentioning that tOSU was still a dark horse would cause eric to be so rustled to start a pointless argument?

I don't give a shit they were mentioned. You were trying to compare them to Auburn of last year. All I said was that Auburn deserved that label much more than Ohio State at this point. I even said they can win out earlier in this thread. Will it be enough I doubt it. Hence why I though the comparison to Auburn was unjustified. Based on past performance and the potential of the future schedule.