Official Offseason News and Rumors

[WiggyRuss]

The lux tax is punitive. Gilbert's not going to pay it 3-4 years straight like u insinuated.

how can you possibly know that?- not once since Gilbert has owned the team has he EVER decided not to make a move because of the financial ramifications-

he could by and sell the Buss' 3 times over at least

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Semantics.

Yes, he left himself an out by saying " Planning".

But, the ridicule would still be unyielding if he left again.


"I don't plan on going nowhere," James said. "I don't have the energy to do it again."

Read more here: AKRON, Ohio: LeBron tells Ohio crowd: "I love you. I'm back." - Miami Heat - MiamiHerald.com

First and foremost I agree he's not leaving there.
It has nothing to do with ridicule though. He doesn't care.

It's all about because he has 100% TOTAL CONTROL there.
He can't get that anywhere else.

On top of that, he is GOD there.
I was in Akron/ Cleveland last weekend.
I've never seen anything like it.
His name is plastered everywhere. Signs in every yard. Every gas station sign, etc.

James is a presence anywhere he goes, but his level of seemed importance is 100x bigger there then it ever was here.

 

[Heatles84]

then why dont you just keep him then? ESPECIALLY if you know you cant add another guy- that just illustrates how it was a cost-cutting move-

and in restrospect- Miller was healthy and played great last year. - PLUS- it just LOOKS terrible- cutting the payroll by getting rid of him- WHEN YOU KNOW YOU CANT REPLACE HIM- while your big 3 is playing for LESS than the max

it was incredibly short-sighted and came back to bite them in the ass

Mike Miller played 59 games in his last stint with Miami and had chronic back issues. I'm not sure what turned it around for him in Memphis, but good for him. Other players were able to pick up his slack. Obviously knowing what Miller brought to the Grizzlies, Miami would've sure held onto him, although I still say the Spurs would've beaten the Heat in the Finals, with or without Miller.

Miami didn't see a huge need to pay him given the aforementioned players and figured either Beasley or Oden would've worked out. But let's stop with the notion that Miller was the reason for the Heat not winning a title last year, that simply isn't true.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

then why dont you just keep him then? ESPECIALLY if you know you cant add another guy- that just illustrates how it was a cost-cutting move-

and in restrospect- Miller was healthy and played great last year. - PLUS- it just LOOKS terrible- cutting the payroll by getting rid of him- WHEN YOU KNOW YOU CANT REPLACE HIM- while your big 3 is playing for LESS than the max

it was incredibly short-sighted and came back to bite them in the ass

Your nuts.
He was replaced.

Spoelstra much preferred Battier to Miller because of his defense.


It didn't bite him in the ass in the slightest.
Keep drinking James' kool aid.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Huge advantage.

obviously you guys have not been paying attention

the Fisher deal was a cost cutting move more than anything-the Odom deal a cost cutting move, the Walton deal a cost cutting move-

Especially now that the Lakers are owned by multiple people in a family owned business- they cant spend into that punitive luxury tax

the russian with 7 billion and russian mining companies behind him? yah- the Cavs with Gilberts Casinos and Morgage business? The Arisons with his cruise lines? the blazers with Allens microsoft? Cuban with his windfall from his computer companies? the Clips new owner?-

all of these teams have something in common- they do not make their money from basketball- They make it elsewhere


the Lakers have to pay a significant amount of that money into revenue sharing as well. take like what, 40 million off the top each year!

the wealth of the Buss' is strictly through the Lakers-

say they want to pay the tax- and try and do 40-50 million a year- which if you are a repaater will be easy- over a 20 year ownership period thats almost a billion dollars- for a group of owners who's primary assetis JUST the basketball team- that is untenable when you also factor in revenue sharing which tehy will have to contribute into for nearly teh same amount

 

[Mecca]

The lux tax is punitive. Gilbert's not going to pay it 3-4 years straight like u insinuated.

Why not if he's winning?

Lebron is bringing in a ton of revenue for that State, where Gilbert owns several Businesses.

Plus, they get a new TV deal before the 2016 Season.

Money won't be a problem.



At FitzGerald’s direction, the Cuyahoga County Fiscal Office reviewed the potential economic and financial benefits of LeBron’s return for Northeast Ohio. According to their analysis, they expect an annual direct economic impact of $170 million from Cavs games, and combined with indirect and induced impact, approximately $500 million annually for the local economy, especially through the restaurant industry, convention business, and hotels not just in Cleveland but throughout Cuyahoga County and Northeast Ohio.

 

[DJ]

how can you possibly know that?- not once since Gilbert has owned the team has he EVER decided not to make a move because of the financial ramifications-

he could by and sell the Buss' 3 times over at least

Because you said it's stupid. Remember?

After 3 years it's like 3-to-1 for every dolar you're over the lux tax.

Remember? Or are you playing dumb & denying it again?

 

[Mecca]

obviously you guys have not been paying attention

the Fisher deal was a cost cutting move more than anything-the Odom deal a cost cutting move, the Walton deal a cost cutting move-

Especially now that the Lakers are owned by multiple people in a family owned business- they cant spend into that punitive luxury tax

the russian with 7 billion and russian mining companies behind him? yah- the Cavs with Gilberts Casinos and Morgage business? The Arisons with his cruise lines? the blazers with Allens microsoft? Cuban with his windfall from his computer companies? the Clips new owner?-

all of these teams have something in common- they do not make their money from basketball- They make it elsewhere


the Lakers have to pay a significant amount of that money into revenue sharing as well. take like what, 40 million off the top each year!

the wealth of the Buss' is strictly through the Lakers-

say they want to pay the tax- and try and do 40-50 million a year- which if you are a repaater will be easy- over a 20 year ownership period thats almost a billion dollars- for a group of owners who's primary assetis JUST the basketball team- that is untenable when you also factor in revenue sharing which tehy will have to contribute into for nearly teh same amount

Dude, the Luxury tax is punitive if you go over the threshold 3 years in a row.

Why pay all that money when you aren't going to win?

That's just smart businesss.

Hell, even the Russian refused to pay absorbanent amounts of penalties this Season.

Just because you have it doesn't mean you should waste it.

 

[DJ]

Russ is backtracking now. Classic.

 

[DJ]

Dude, the Luxury tax is punitive if you go over the threshold 3 years in a row.

Why pay all that money when you aren't going to win?

That's just smart businesss.

Hell, even the Russian refused to pay absorbanent amounts of penalties this Season.

Just because you have it doesn't mean you should waste it.

He was preaching how punitive it is just 4-5 months ago.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Because you said it's stupid. Remember?

After 3 years it's like 3-to-1 for every dolar you're over the lux tax.

Remember? Or are you playing dumb & denying it again?

i didnt sayit was stupid- i was it was insanely expensive

but Gilbert can afford it - especially if he is generating the kind of money he expects to with a team that has LeBron/Love and Kyrie-3 of the most marketabble players in the league on one team-

i mean-the guy is one of the richest men in the US - and is only getting richer with his new casinos and Quicken

he has cash to burn and has proved it ever chance he has gotten that money is no object to him in his quest to bring a title to Cleveland

 

[DJ]

Myself, LAD & Gugy tried telling Russ & LTCF about the benefit of a huge TV deal.

 

[WiggyRuss]

He was preaching how punitive it is just 4-5 months ago.

it is hugely punitive

 

[Mecca]

I agree with you, Mecca. But I think championship organizations set a precedent as well as structure in place for a reason. I understand the Cavs having to do everything in their power to appease Lebron and his crew, I get it. They needed him back.

But I have a feeling that his crew wanted this more than Lebron. They're (his crew) is putting their own perks before Lebron's goal of getting more titles and trying to catch NBA legends. As a Cavs fan, I would question what's going on because Lebron has called the shots before, and we saw how that turned out before.

Yep.

I get doing everything in your power to win.

But, there will be a price.

So far, Eric Bledsoe is the only one who's had to pay so far.

That's what happens when you ride coattails.

Rich Paul is a rookie Agent.

There was no negotiation for Lebron's deals.

So, you can't use his contracts, endorsement deals as a barometer for what Rich can bring to the table.

But, Eric can't see the forest for the trees.

 

[Heatles84]

i didnt sayit was stupid- i was it was insanely expensive

but Gilbert can afford it - especially if he is generating the kind of money he expects to with a team that has LeBron/Love and Kyrie-3 of the most marketabble players in the league on one team-

i mean-the guy is one of the richest men in the US - and is only getting richer with his new casinos and Quicken

he has cash to burn and has proved it ever chance he has gotten that money is no object to him in his quest to bring a title to Cleveland

Lebron is clearly the most marketable athlete in the NBA, if not all of sports. But how is it that Love and Irving are the next? I would assume Blake Griffin, Durant, and CP3 would probably be more marketable then Love and Irving.

 

[DJ]

Later.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Myself, LAD & Gugy tried telling Russ & LTCF about the benefit of a huge TV deal.

ya know whats worth more than a huge TV that you have to pay a shit load of revenue sharing out of- and that the trust is owned by multiple family members each of who the Lakers is their primary income?

a nationa mortgage company that generates billions a year- and multiple casinos

or being a huge % owner of microsoft like Allen

or owning- i believe- Carnival Cruiselines like Arison

or owning a bunch of natural resource companies like Prokohrov



all of those POOP on the Lakers TV deal - and as i said- the Lakers dont even get to keep all of that! they pay a significant amount into revenue sharing!

 

[WiggyRuss]

Lebron is clearly the most marketable athlete in the NBA, if not all of sports. But how is it that Love and Irving are the next? I would assume Blake Griffin, Durant, and CP3 would probably be more marketable then Love and Irving.

they def might be- I am just sayingKyrie with uncle drew is def top 10 and Love is up there as well-

I thinkGriffin and Durant and 2 and 3----Howard used to be up there until he destroyed himself in that regard.... I dunno about cp3- i could probably find a listing some where fairly quickly....- kyrie should also keep on going upespecially with the presumed sucess of the team- as well as Love

 

[Mecca]

Lebron is clearly the most marketable athlete in the NBA, if not all of sports. But how is it that Love and Irving are the next? I would assume Blake Griffin, Durant, and CP3 would probably be more marketable then Love and Irving.

Love and Irving will be way more marketable now that they play with James.

But, you are spot on.

Before this Offseason, Dame Lillard had more shine than both those guys as evidenced by his 100m Adidas contract.

He plays in Portland.

So, the small market excuse won't fly.

 

[Mecca]

they def might be- I am just sayingKyrie with uncle drew is def top 10 and Love is up there as well-

I thinkGriffin and Durant and 2 and 3----Howard used to be up there until he destroyed himself in that regard.... I dunno about cp3- i could probably find a listing some where fairly quickly....- kyrie should also keep on going upespecially with the presumed sucess of the team- as well as Love

LeBron James: $42 million (Nike)

Kobe Bryant: $34 million (Nike)

Derrick Rose: $21 million (Adidas)

Kevin Durant: $14 million (Nike)

Dwyane Wade: $12 million (Li Ning)

Carmelo Anthony: $9 million (Jordan/Nike)

Amar’e Stoudemire: $6.5 million (Nike)

Dwight Howard: $6 million (Adidas)

Blake Griffin: $6 million (Jordan/Nike)

Chris Paul: $4 million (Jordan/Nike)