If the Big 10 is "weak" then what is the ACC?

[Camfantasy]

The fine folks at ESPN.

And I'll agree that FSU is having a great year, not quite willing to say they are a great team yet. In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king. Problem is Alabama has been king of the hawk-eyed. There is nothing in FSU's resume that gives me any reason to think they can stand toe-to-toe with Alabama.

Based upon this season, what makes you think Alabama can stand toe-to-toe with FSU?

 

[Sox33OSU]

Based upon this season, what makes you think Alabama can stand toe-to-toe with FSU?

Blowout wins over 2 ranked teams and another win over current #12 on the road look much more impressive than one blowout win over a ranked team and a bunch of other wins over shit. I'm not saying this means they are automatically better, and personally I think an FSU-Bama national title game would be an absolute slugfest, but you can't say FSU has had as tough of a resume, and it's not even close.

 

[osubuckeye89]

Notre Dame has 3 losses....one to a 5-5 Pitt team and another to a lackluster Michigan team.

Comparing them to Ohio State is asinine

 

[ericd7633]

I know you didn't. You said OSU didn't have the resume of wins ND had, yet you said ND had "basically the same resume" as the ACC teams. I pointed out OSU has a far better win than any of those 3 teams have, so your logic is flawed.

My logic isn't flawed, I just don't think you understand what I'm trying to point out.

 

[ericd7633]

Notre Dame has 3 losses....one to a 5-5 Pitt team and another to a lackluster Michigan team.

Comparing them to Ohio State is asinine

I'm not comparing teams I'm comparing wins. Ohio St is the clearly the better team.

 

[osubuckeye89]

I'm not comparing teams I'm comparing wins. Ohio St is the clearly the better team.

I think comparing wins only really works if there is an argument between 2 teams with the same record....

a loss to a 5-5 team pretty much offsets any good win

 

[Sox33OSU]

My logic isn't flawed, I just don't think you understand what I'm trying to point out.

"ND has better wins than Ohio State"

"Because they all [ND, Miami, VT, and Duke] have basically the same resume?"

How can they have basically the same resume if ND has better wins than OSU and OSU has a better win than all 3 of those ACC teams combined?

 

[ericd7633]

I think comparing wins only really works if there is an argument between 2 teams with the same record....

a loss to a 5-5 team pretty much offsets any good win

And that's fine. I merely brought it up to suggest a team isn't automatically better just because they have better wins. Especially when offset by bad losses.

 

[Sox33OSU]

And that's fine. I merely brought it up to suggest a team isn't automatically better just because they have better wins. Especially when offset by bad losses.

But you also brought in Ohio State, who has a significantly better record than the other teams mentioned.

Duke, Miami and VT all have some shitty losses, as well, but have nothing like ND has in quality wins and nothing that would suggest they could beat any team ND has beaten.

 

[ericd7633]

"ND has better wins than Ohio State"

"Because they all [ND, Miami, VT, and Duke] have basically the same resume?"

How can they have basically the same resume if ND has better wins than OSU and OSU has a better win than all 3 of those ACC teams combined?

Because of losses?

 

[Sox33OSU]

Because of losses?

So... the only thing that can define a team's resume is losses and not quality wins?

I guess that's where our huge disconnect has been, as I fervently disagree.

 

[ericd7633]

So... the only thing that can define a team's resume is losses and not quality wins?

I guess that's where our huge disconnect has been, as I fervently disagree.

No you have to factor in both.

 

[7Samurai13]

So... the only thing that can define a team's resume is losses and not quality wins?

I guess that's where our huge disconnect has been, as I fervently disagree.

It depends on what best fits your argument.

 

[FSUmanager]

Yes, but they then validated those years through their OOC play, including those many bowl wins. Playing teams like Auburn and Miami (who was good and in the Big East during those years). This year? Their OOC schedule consists of the aforementioned Bethune-Cookman, Nevada (who has the 108th ranked scoring defense) and they will play a terrible Florida team. No where near the caliber of the competition during those dynasty years.

Let me put it this way, I did some quick research, and here are the scoring defense rankings of FSU opponenets so far this year:
Pitt - 61st - 27.2 ppg Corrected 69th @ 26.9
Nevada - 108th - 37.8 ppg Corrected 102nd @ 35.0
BC - 74th - 28.9 ppg Corrected 71st @ 27.4
Maryland - 54th - 26.4 ppg Corrected 47th @ 24.8
Wake - 49th - 25.7 ppg Corrected 43rd @ 23.8
Clemson - 27th - 22.6 ppg Corrected 26th @ 21.6
NC State - 73rd - 28.7 ppg Corrected @ 73rd @ 27.9
Syracuse - 78th - 29.4 ppg Corrected 64th @ 26.5
Miami - 66th - 27.6 ppg Corrected 57th @ 25.5
Bethune-Cookman - unranked, FCS Corrected 15.7 ppg(yes I know it is FCS)

Almost all are in the bottom half of defenses, and none in the top 25. Now compare that to Alabama, with the top ranked defense, allowing only 10.2 ppg. What in those numbers will make me believe FSU can have success against Alabama?

You can point to whatever game you want for it's preformance, how they looked on the field, what the stats were, whatever, and my answer will be "yeah but, they was against a nobody." This FSU team needs to prove themselves before I am going to give them any crediblity because they haven't played anybody worth a damn, primarily because they play in the ACC. So until the line up against Alabama and prove otherwise (which they might) I have no reason to think they can respond when they get hit in the mouth by an elite defense.

There are 3 in the top 50. Now since you did not do the same for Bama I will. And yes I corrected your stats because they were incorrect according to the NCAA.org website.

LSU 38th @ 23.5
Ole Miss 49th @ 25.0
MS State 64th @ 26.5
VT 9th @ 18.5
aTm 86th @ 30.9
Colorado State 93rd @ 31.5
Kentucky 78th @ 28.8
Arkansas 91st @ 31.4
Tennessee 96th @ 32.0
Georgia State Unranked due to being new to FBS but 36.7 ppg.

The average ppg given up by their opponents is 28.48 ppg. FSU's opponents avg is 23.03 ppg.
That makes 3 opponents for each in the top 50. And the rest out of the top 50. Pretty damn even. Oh and one of Bama's is an ACC team so I guess we should throw that out since they play primarily in the ACC.

 

[Camfantasy]

Blowout wins over 2 ranked teams and another win over current #12 on the road look much more impressive than one blowout win over a ranked team and a bunch of other wins over shit. I'm not saying this means they are automatically better, and personally I think an FSU-Bama national title game would be an absolute slugfest, but you can't say FSU has had as tough of a resume, and it's not even close.

Meh, Blowout wins against Ole miss and Texas A&M aren't all that impressive to me when you are a top-5 team. FSU has a top-10 win blowout with Bama having none. That blowout was by 37 points and the only teams Bama have beaten by 37 points were Georgia State, Arkansas, and Kentucky. Their SOS's are fairly similar to me with FSU scoring average being about 52 to 11 with Bama's being about 38-10. FSU's defense is ranked about 4th in total D with Bama's being similar at 5th. FSU's offense is about 8th in total O with Bama's being 42nd. I'm not saying FSU is vastly superior or anything, just think that they have atleast proven to be equals to this point.

 

[Sox33OSU]

Meh, Blowout wins against Ole miss and Texas A&M aren't all that impressive to me when you are a top-5 team. FSU has a top-10 win blowout with Bama having none. That blowout was by 37 points and the only teams Bama have beaten by 37 points were Georgia State, Arkansas, and Kentucky. Their SOS's are fairly similar to me with FSU scoring average being about 52 to 11 with Bama's being about 38-10. FSU's defense is ranked about 4th in total D with Bama's being similar at 5th. FSU's offense is about 8th in total O with Bama's being 42nd. I'm not saying FSU is vastly superior or anything, just think that they have atleast proven to be equals to this point.

Come on man, Bama is playing a much harder schedule.

LSU, A&M, Ole Miss >>>>>>> Clemson...Miami...?

 

[Camfantasy]

Come on man, Bama is playing a much harder schedule.

LSU, A&M, Ole Miss >>>>>>> Clemson...Miami...?

The computers seem to think they are similar SOS wise. Like I said, wins against Ole Miss and A&M aren't impressive to me when you are a legit top-5 team. A&M has one of the worst defenses in college football and Ole Miss is Ole Miss. Do you think FSU would only beat Ole Miss by 25 points and A&M by a touchdown?

 

[GoBlueNavyNuke]

There are 3 in the top 50. Now since you did not do the same for Bama I will. And yes I corrected your stats because they were incorrect according to the NCAA.org website.

LSU 38th @ 23.5
Ole Miss 49th @ 25.0
MS State 64th @ 26.5
VT 9th @ 18.5
aTm 86th @ 30.9
Colorado State 93rd @ 31.5
Kentucky 78th @ 28.8
Arkansas 91st @ 31.4
Tennessee 96th @ 32.0
Georgia State Unranked due to being new to FBS but 36.7 ppg.

The average ppg given up by their opponents is 28.48 ppg. FSU's opponents avg is 23.03 ppg.
That makes 3 opponents for each in the top 50. And the rest out of the top 50. Pretty damn even. Oh and one of Bama's is an ACC team so I guess we should throw that out since they play primarily in the ACC.

And no one is saying Alabama's offense is elite, it's their defense that wins them their games. Plus a slow, pounding ground game. That tends not to score many points, even when they are doing what they want to do. It's about clock control and wearing the defense down, not scoring a lot of points. Besides, when you are limiting your opponent to about 10 points, you only need two touchdowns to win.

 

[osubuckeye89]

The computers seem to think they are similar SOS wise. Like I said, wins against Ole Miss and A&M aren't impressive to me when you are a legit top-5 team. A&M has one of the worst defenses in college football and Ole Miss is Ole Miss. Do you think FSU would only beat Ole Miss by 25 points and A&M by a touchdown?

So Ole Miss and A&M arent impressive but Miami is?

 

[Camfantasy]

So Ole Miss and A&M arent impressive but Miami is?

Quote where I said beating Miami was impressive for FSU.