AP Poll Released 10-13-13

[Sox33OSU]

OSU is loaded yes. Their coaching staff is good YES. The problem that many OSU fans I hear on the radio have is that they do not understand the difference between their schedule and RESUME not being up to par with other schools. It is not their fault that the B1G is really down this year. But they are in that conference and their resume is not as impressive as Oregon's, Clemson's, and so on. The biggest game this year was against the then #16 team in the country.

It is hard to deny the talent on OSU, but it is equally hard to deny that their resume is going to be very bleak. Michigan really fucked OSU over. OSU needed Michigan to win out and get highly ranked. Not going to happen now. OSU is now going to need Clemson, Oregon, UCLA, and Bama to all lose one game to get into the NCG. Because if any two of those are undefeated unfortunately for OSU they will be left out.

I agree with every single thing you've said on here, though that UGA win for Clemson is starting to look pretty suspect as well. This will be an enormous weekend, that's for sure.

 

[romeo212000]

I agree with every single thing you've said on here, though that UGA win for Clemson is starting to look pretty suspect as well. This will be an enormous weekend, that's for sure.

When you consider the injuries Georgia has suffered, not really. Clemson beat a full strength Georgia. Georgia is now a shell of its former self.

 

[FSUmanager]

I agree with every single thing you've said on here, though that UGA win for Clemson is starting to look pretty suspect as well. This will be an enormous weekend, that's for sure.

The UGA win was against a full strength UGA team. Not with them using scout team players as starters. Quite a bit of difference between UGA 1st week and UGA now. That win for Clemson is not suspect at all. Then you have to consider they are playing #5 FSU this weekend which strengthens their resume if they win. Then they still have either a top 15 Miami or VT team in the ACCCG. And South Carolina who will most likely be a top 15 team as well.

 

[BucksFanInGA]

I agree. Clemsons win vs Uga is still a great win.

 

[Jonny Valtimore]

When you consider the injuries Georgia has suffered, not really. Clemson beat a full strength Georgia. Georgia is now a shell of its former self.

Georgia has had a pretty crappy defense all year, and that was the big problem Saturday.

Any non-homer could see that Georgia was playing with fire this year. North Texas hung with them for half the game. Tennessee took them to overtime. And they lost to the best team they played in Clemson.

 

[Sox33OSU]

When you consider the injuries Georgia has suffered, not really. Clemson beat a full strength Georgia. Georgia is now a shell of its former self.

The UGA win was against a full strength UGA team. Not with them using scout team players as starters. Quite a bit of difference between UGA 1st week and UGA now. That win for Clemson is not suspect at all. Then you have to consider they are playing #5 FSU this weekend which strengthens their resume if they win. Then they still have either a top 15 Miami or VT team in the ACCCG. And South Carolina who will most likely be a top 15 team as well.

If they beat FSU this weekend, I'll agree that will be a great win. I don't see it happening though.

As far as UGA goes, I'm calling BS. Is their defense ravished with injuries? I'm not seeing much in that regard and they gave up 41 points to a Mizzou team who didn't even hit for that many vs. Toledo, and the game was at UGA. On offense, losing Gurley and Marshall does suck, but their running game still looked fantastic. Both Green and Douglas had very good days for them.

I know I'm going to get crucified for not bowing down to UGA, but I just don't think they were that good a team. The offense was obviously very good, but their defenses is not championship caliber. Clemson has also looked extremely suspect themselves in recent games. I personally don't think they would beat OSU if they played on a neutral field.

 

[FSUmanager]

If they beat FSU this weekend, I'll agree that will be a great win. I don't see it happening though.

As far as UGA goes, I'm calling BS. Is their defense ravished with injuries? I'm not seeing much in that regard and they gave up 41 points to a Mizzou team who didn't even hit for that many vs. Toledo, and the game was at UGA. On offense, losing Gurley and Marshall does suck, but their running game still looked fantastic. Both Green and Douglas had very good days for them.

I know I'm going to get crucified for not bowing down to UGA, but I just don't think they were that good a team. The offense was obviously very good, but their defenses is not championship caliber. Clemson has also looked extremely suspect themselves in recent games. I personally don't think they would beat OSU if they played on a neutral field.

TO the bold. 7 starters drafted to the NFL. Think that will not have an impact at all? It will no matter. Had UGA at bare minimum had Gurley this past weekend UGA wins in my opinion. Douglas even though a good RB is a Freshman and not Gurley by anyway, shape, or form. Also losing your top 3 WRs is not a good thing. OSU would not overcome that either.

As far as playing OSU. That is speculation. Clemson would have the best DL that OSU will face all year with the Nation's leader in sacks(Beasely). Would not count on an OSU win because your secondary even though talented is very suspect. Wisconsin showed that one with 1 WR who is nowhere near as good as Watkins and the rest of the Wisky WRs are not near the caliber as Humphries and Bryant. OSU let Aberrederis getting 207 yds was not a good thing. Then there is the difference at QB. OSU does not play a QB like Boyd and that cannot be denied. The kid is every bit as good as both OSU QBs. If not better(subjective matter).

 

[BucksFanInGA]

LOL

Boyd and Watkins would have a fucking field day on our secondary...

 

[Sox33OSU]

TO the bold. 7 starters drafted to the NFL. Think that will not have an impact at all? It will no matter. Had UGA at bare minimum had Gurley this past weekend UGA wins in my opinion. Douglas even though a good RB is a Freshman and not Gurley by anyway, shape, or form. Also losing your top 3 WRs is not a good thing. OSU would not overcome that either.

As far as playing OSU. That is speculation. Clemson would have the best DL that OSU will face all year with the Nation's leader in sacks(Beasely). Would not count on an OSU win because your secondary even though talented is very suspect. Wisconsin showed that one with 1 WR who is nowhere near as good as Watkins and the rest of the Wisky WRs are not near the caliber as Humphries and Bryant. OSU let Aberrederis getting 207 yds was not a good thing. Then there is the difference at QB. OSU does not play a QB like Boyd and that cannot be denied. The kid is every bit as good as both OSU QBs. If not better(subjective matter).

OSU lost more than that yet we still get criticized if our D doesn't look amazing, why is UGA somehow impervious? For a good part of our first game we didn't have a single returning starter on the field on defense. I know it was vs. Buffalo, but the point still stands. We're still playing and winning with a young, inexperienced defense.

Any game at this point is speculation. Clemson would have the best DL and the best QB we'd face on our current schedule, that's true. OSU is also worlds better on both sides of the ball than Boston College and NC State, and we saw Clemson barely escape against both teams, so they're far from perfect.

 

[FSUmanager]

OSU lost more than that yet we still get criticized if our D doesn't look amazing, why is UGA somehow impervious? For a good part of our first game we didn't have a single returning starter on the field on defense. I know it was vs. Buffalo, but the point still stands. We're still playing and winning with a young, inexperienced defense.

Any game at this point is speculation. Clemson would have the best DL and the best QB we'd face on our current schedule, that's true. OSU is also worlds better on both sides of the ball than Boston College and NC State, and we saw Clemson barely escape against both teams, so they're far from perfect.

OSU lost 7 defensive starters to the NFL draft? Thought you guys only had 6 Defensive guys go to the NFL with only 2 total players drafted in the Draft. Could be wrong though.

I think it can be argued that UGA's losses were much more significant than OSU's losses on defense, but I do not feel like arguing about it. I like that you think that OSU can beat anyone on a neutral field. I just am a little more cautious to state something like that knowing what I know about Clemson

 

[Sox33OSU]

OSU lost 7 defensive starters to the NFL draft? Thought you guys only had 6 Defensive guys go to the NFL with only 2 total players drafted in the Draft. Could be wrong though.

I think it can be argued that UGA's losses were much more significant than OSU's losses on defense, but I do not feel like arguing about it. I like that you think that OSU can beat anyone on a neutral field. I just am a little more cautious to state something like that knowing what I know about Clemson

We returned 2 of our better overall players in Shazier and Roby, to be fair. We lost 6 of our front 7 along with several losses in the defensive backfield. They did a good job last year rotating guys in and out on the line so it is pretty solid.

As far as Clemson goes, they still have a lot left to establish the level of respect they're getting IMO. People call OSU out for losses to the SEC back 6-7 years ago yet seem to forget that in the only BCS appearance they've ever made, they set records for defensive futility in giving up 70 to a Big East team. They lost the only 2 games against good teams last season before the bowl and then had a last second FG to beat an average LSU team. The UGA win looked good. Then they looked like crap against 2 mediocre teams this year in NC State and BC. I also know that not only has OSU recruited amazingly for years now, but Meyer has more than proven his mettle on the big stage while Sweeney has not.

 

[FSUmanager]

We returned 2 of our better overall players in Shazier and Roby, to be fair. We lost 6 of our front 7 along with several losses in the defensive backfield. They did a good job last year rotating guys in and out on the line so it is pretty solid.

As far as Clemson goes, they still have a lot left to establish the level of respect they're getting IMO. People call OSU out for losses to the SEC back 6-7 years ago yet seem to forget that in the only BCS appearance they've ever made, they set records for defensive futility in giving up 70 to a Big East team. They lost the only 2 games against good teams last season before the bowl and then had a last second FG to beat an average LSU team. The UGA win looked good. Then they looked like crap against 2 mediocre teams this year in NC State and BC. I also know that not only has OSU recruited amazingly for years now, but Meyer has more than proven his mettle on the big stage while Sweeney has not.

To the bold. That was at another school, in another conference, with completely different players all around. Cannot guarantee that success will be duplicated at OSU.

Really their 2 good games in the year and a win over an average LSU? YOu mean that LSU team who had one of the top 3 Defenses in the country? That LSU team? Yes their Offense was not great, but to call that team average is absolutely asinine.

 

[Rolltide94]

As far as Clemson goes, they still have a lot left to establish the level of respect they're getting IMO.

I guess my point on that would be that Clemson still has plenty of games left to prove that they deserve it and if they lose to Florida St, FSU will just jump over Ohio St. too. Who's left on Ohio's schedule? Penn St.? Michigan? They would have to win by 40 to even register. Ohio St. does not get in over an undefeated team from any other conference outside of the AAC and even that is not certain if Louisville blows the doors off UCF on Friday night, given that UCF has already beaten Penn St.

 

[Red_Alert]

I guess my point on that would be that Clemson still has plenty of games left to prove that they deserve it and if they lose to Florida St, FSU will just jump over Ohio St. too. Who's left on Ohio's schedule? Penn St.? Michigan? They would have to win by 40 to even register. Ohio St. does not get in over an undefeated team from any other conference outside of the AAC and even that is not certain if Louisville blows the doors off UCF on Friday night, given that UCF has already beaten Penn St.

Indiana beat Penn St too.

 

[BucksFanInGA]

Sigh, no Buckeye fan that I've seen in this thread is claiming that Ohio State should go to the BCS title game over ANYONE...

So why people still are arguing that point is beyond me...

I don't necessarily agree with Sox, but he's arguing that Clemson may be overrated, not that if both OSU and Clemson win out that OSU would deserve a national title bid over them...

The OSU hate is getting to Disney levels lately, part of the reason I left espn is the constant bashing of OSU, I may need to reevaluate my forum choice...

 

[Sox33OSU]

I guess my point on that would be that Clemson still has plenty of games left to prove that they deserve it and if they lose to Florida St, FSU will just jump over Ohio St. too. Who's left on Ohio's schedule? Penn St.? Michigan? They would have to win by 40 to even register. Ohio St. does not get in over an undefeated team from any other conference outside of the AAC and even that is not certain if Louisville blows the doors off UCF on Friday night, given that UCF has already beaten Penn St.

Nobody from the Big 12 is better than Ohio State. AAC is trash, and your example would mean that for some reason UCF, Louisville's toughest opponent, would mean more than Penn State, OSU's 5th toughest opponent (assuming a CCG birth for OSU). Gee, no shit.

Unbeaten OSU is only beaten out by unbeaten Bama, unbeaten Oregon, and either unbeaten Clemson/FSU, assuming SCar and Florida don't completely fall off. This is the way it is. If it bothers you that much, maybe go find another hobby. This will be my last post in this thread, so thanks for the conversation.

 

[Hornsstampede2.0]

Unbeaten Missouri and unbeaten UCLA would most definitely leapfrog Ohio State.

Baylor might, if they can develop human voter momentum.
Baylor would probably need Texas Tech to go beserk and be a battle of 10-0 teams as well.

 

[Jonny Valtimore]

Damn phone.

 

[Jonny Valtimore]

Everyone hates on Ohio State's schedule, but Wisconsin, Northwestern, Michigan, and the B1G Championship will all be good wins.

Alabama got to go in years past after losing one of maybe three difficult games. No one seemed to mind then.

I have a feeling that by the end of the year the B1G will have an unbeaten team, two 2 loss teams, and probably three 3 loss teams, with 9 teams bowl eligible.

 

[Rolltide94]

Nobody from the Big 12 is better than Ohio State. AAC is trash, and your example would mean that for some reason UCF, Louisville's toughest opponent, would mean more than Penn State, OSU's 5th toughest opponent (assuming a CCG birth for OSU). Gee, no shit.

Unbeaten OSU is only beaten out by unbeaten Bama, unbeaten Oregon, and either unbeaten Clemson/FSU, assuming SCar and Florida don't completely fall off. This is the way it is. If it bothers you that much, maybe go find another hobby. This will be my last post in this thread, so thanks for the conversation.

Unlike you, it actually doesn't bother me at all, to be frank, I would much rather play OSU in a title game than Oregon, Oregon represents an unknown. Ohio St. is a predictable commodity, like Notre Dame last year.


As for your assertion that nobody from the Big 12 is better than Ohio St. what are you basing this on other than your biased opinion...I am not aware of any crossover games between the Big 10 and 12, so all I have to go on is common opponents, which all I can see is 3...Notre Dame, UMass and Buffalo. Notre Dame lost to Oklahoma and Michigan by similar scores. Umass lost to Wisconsin and K-State by similar scores, and quite frankly Baylor's shellacking of Buffalo was much more impressive that Ohio State's. I would argue that if Baylor wins out, their resume will be only slightly worse than Ohio State's and if they continue to score in similar fashion, their on field performance will be more impressive. Granted those are two BIG if's, but saying an unbeated Big 12 champ can't beat out Ohio State is equally ridiculous.