POLL So who wins the B1G in 2018?

[bamabear82]

If Nick Foles wins the Super Bowl, I’m counting him as a Spartan so...

Just saw where Alvin Kamara was named NFL Rookie of the Year or some shit.... #BuiltByBamaEnSech

 

[7Samurai13]

Just saw where Alvin Kamara was named NFL Rookie of the Year or some shit.... #BuiltByBamaEnSech

Careful, ATF may claim that shit for B1G.

 

[bamabear82]

Careful, ATF may claim that shit for B1G.

I'm just trying to get it before UCF does.

 

[7Samurai13]

I'm just trying to get it before UCF does.

They already won the Super Bowl last week so they are celebrating that.

 

[Across The Field]

We could lose both those games and we'd probably still win the West.

We'll see. You guys definitely had your share of close calls last year. Facing Iowa, Northwestern, and Purdue on the road as well is going to be really difficult to manage.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Listen to me. Listen very, very carefully: This is my opinion. You've not said anything yet that will change the way I feel. I've laid out the reasons I feel the way I do, and all you can do is say he hasn't played enough. We see 1st year players dominate college football on an annual basis.

Our WRs are loaded. It is the best WR group in the B1G. Victor didn't blow up like I thought he did in the yards department, but that was because we spread the ball around a LOT more than I thought we would. We had 10 guys hit double digits in catches and 7 guys hit 300+ receiving yards. From what I can see, no other top team had that many. What I was right about was that Victor would become a RZ demon, scoring 7 TDs on just 23 catches. I was definitely wrong about Barrett being able to develop a decent deep ball like he had in 2014. Thankfully that won't be the case with Haskins. Oh, and our top 6 receivers return next year. Show me a better WR group in the B1G, I'll wait.

Again, this is my opinion. I've told you now multiple times that you are free to throw this in my face if Haskins comes in next year and struggles. From my view, Meyer knows how to get the most from his QBs. Of all the QBs he's coached, he says Haskins is the best pure passer he's ever seen. Those are not words a coach like Urban uses lightly. Lewerke hardly did anything last year, 2,800 yards/20 TD/7 INT should be easily surpassed by Haskins. With everything McSorely loses, I expect him to take a step back as well.

You know why he didn’t develop a deep ball like in 2014? He didn’t have WR’s like he had in 2014. Period.

You can blame the offensive coordinator, like you have. You can blame Barrett, like you have. You can blame the last group of WR’s that left, like you have. The reality is — OSU hasn’t had a group of WR’s close to the level of Michael Thomas, Marshall and Devin Smith, who each played their role in the offense perfectly.

As far as Urban Meyer’s comments — take a look at the QB’s he has coached. Alex Smith is the best. If you want to take it a step further — you want to see how limited the routes that are run in Meyer’s read/option spread offense — take a look at Tebow. Or as the many NFL analysts and actual teammates have called Tebow — one of the worst throwing QB’s they’d ever seen. Yet in the spread — he completed 70% of his passes at Florida.

 

[Across The Field]

You know why he didn’t develop a deep ball like in 2014? He didn’t have WR’s like he had in 2014. Period.

You can blame the offensive coordinator, like you have. You can blame Barrett, like you have. You can blame the last group of WR’s that left, like you have. The reality is — OSU hasn’t had a group of WR’s close to the level of Michael Thomas, Marshall and Devin Smith, who each played their role in the offense perfectly.

As far as Urban Meyer’s comments — take a look at the QB’s he has coached. Alex Smith is the best. If you want to take it a step further — you want to see how limited the routes that are run in Meyer’s read/option spread offense — take a look at Tebow. Or as the many NFL analysts and actual teammates have called Tebow — one of the worst throwing QB’s they’d ever seen. Yet in the spread — he completed 70% of his passes at Florida.

I see. Well anyways, it is what it is. Haskins will be the best QB in the B1G this year. Our WR cast is going to be more loaded than they have been since 2014. The best part is we'll have a QB with an arm built for downfield, vertical passing. He's shown what he can do being thrust into action and responding. He's got all the talent in the world, and now he'll have his opportunity.

As I've said 5603573 times now - if I'm wrong, bookmark me and bring it back. However, if I'm right, just understand that I will reach a level of insufferable that you cannot even comprehend. I will make current ATF look so docile and un-opinionated it will make your head spin.

Off to Happy Hour. Have a good weekend dude.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

As much as I rip on JT and his style of play, the results were there. He was a 3 year starter prior to this year, but more than that, he was the unquestioned leader of the team. That is something that you can't just easily replace.

When I talk about Haskins and Barrett being compared, I've always said - if you go back to 2014 and both Barrett and Haskins are RS Freshmen in August when Braxton went down, Haskins takes over and never looks back. From a pure talent standpoint, he is above Barrett. From an experience and leadership standpoint, however, you're not going to come in and unseat a 3 year starter with multiple school and conference records.

If I was the coach, I would've sat JT against Wisconsin with his knee injury and started Haskins, which very possibly would've led to him starting the Cotton Bowl (would've been hard to play as poorly as JT did that game), but Urban wasn't going to do that to a 5th year player with 4 years starting who was capable of beating Wisconsin and USC - which he did.

But Cardale Jones took Barrett’s starting spot and a true freshman took Mike Weber’s job as the lead back. As I said to UM fans who were clamoring for anyone but Speight, anyone but O’Korn, etc. — the coaches are here to do one thing............win. If Haskins were as good as you talk about him and more talented than Barrett — he 100% would have been the starting QB. He didn’t even start Haskins when Barrett was playing on one leg against Wisconsin — that’s how much Meyer trusted Haskins as the QB. Remember — these coaches are being paid MILLIONS to do one thing.........win. They don’t care about feelings or stepping on toes.

I’m all for talking up my team and their players, but you are taking it to another level. Let the guy start ONE game before calling him the best QB in the B1G.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

I see. Well anyways, it is what it is. Haskins will be the best QB in the B1G this year. Our WR cast is going to be more loaded than they have been since 2014. The best part is we'll have a QB with an arm built for downfield, vertical passing. He's shown what he can do being thrust into action and responding. He's got all the talent in the world, and now he'll have his opportunity.

As I've said 5603573 times now - if I'm wrong, bookmark me and bring it back. However, if I'm right, just understand that I will reach a level of insufferable that you cannot even comprehend. I will make current ATF look so docile and un-opinionated it will make your head spin.

Off to Happy Hour. Have a good weekend dude.

You can’t be more docile and unopinionated than you are now. You are literally calling guys the best in the conference that have never even started a game and it is their 3rd year at OSU.

Jealous you get to enjoy happy hour. I don’t remember what that is like since my little man was born a couple years ago

 

[Across The Field]

But Cardale Jones took Barrett’s starting spot and a true freshman took Mike Weber’s job as the lead back. As I said to UM fans who were clamoring for anyone but Speight, anyone but O’Korn, etc. — the coaches are here to do one thing............win. If Haskins were as good as you talk about him and more talented than Barrett — he 100% would have been the starting QB. He didn’t even start Haskins when Barrett was playing on one leg against Wisconsin — that’s how much Meyer trusted Haskins as the QB. Remember — these coaches are being paid MILLIONS to do one thing.........win. They don’t care about feelings or stepping on toes.

I’m all for talking up my team and their players, but you are taking it to another level. Let the guy start ONE game before calling him the best QB in the B1G.

And you're not comparing apples to apples here. Cardale replaced JT after he had played for one year, and it was a nearly neck and neck QB competition vs one QB who won 11/12 games the year before and another who led us on a run through 3 highly ranked teams on the way to a NC. Do you not understand the difference between that and replacing a 3 year starter with a RS Freshman who hasn't taken a snap yet? Seriously?

Also, Weber was a decent RB who started for 1 year. He would've started but was hurt at the start of the season, so Dobbins stepped in and lit it up from Day 1. If Barrett was injured to start the year and missed several games and Haskins came in and lit it up like that, there's a real chance Haskins might have held on to the spot.

Again, you've really got to understand your comparisons and think them through before just blurting them out. Cardale/Barrett and Dobbins/Weber were just not even in the same ballpark as Barrett/Haskins.

No, I'm not waiting until he starts ONE game. He's the best QB in the B1G. If you don't like it, too fucking bad.

 

[Across The Field]

You can’t be more docile and unopinionated than you are now. You are literally calling guys the best in the conference that have never even started a game and it is their 3rd year at OSU.

Jealous you get to enjoy happy hour. I don’t remember what that is like since my little man was born a couple years ago

Well, again, as I stated before - the competition isn't that fierce. McSorely will take a step back IMO, Lewerke isn't that good to begin with, and who else is there? Thorson is gone, Hornibrook sucks, and then...?

Haha, oh come on now! Mrs. TrustMe won't take the shackles off for a Friday night?

 

[ralphiewvu]

Yes, and I'm talking about season's end. If you gave me the option of having Lewerke, McSorley, or Haskins this year, I'm taking Haskins without a moment of hesitation. Patterson is an elite talent as well, but I think it will take him a while to get acclimated, since he's learning an entirely new offense and working with an entirely new cast of players. Haskins will be in his 3rd year with experienced WRs and two RBs with 1,000 yard seasons under their belts.

We’ll just agree to disagree. But I would take ethier of those qbs over Haskins right because of experience and what they’ve done. Not potential.

 

[Across The Field]

We’ll just agree to disagree. But I would take ethier of those qbs over Haskins right because of experience and what they’ve done. Not potential.

What has Lewerke done? Do you honestly think 20 TDs and 7 INTs is impressive? Hell Haskins had 4 TDs and he only played mop-up duty for the most part. I see no reason he shouldn't smash 20 TDs with ease.

 

[ralphiewvu]

What has Lewerke done? Do you honestly think 20 TDs and 7 INTs is impressive? Hell Haskins had 4 TDs and he only played mop-up duty for the most part. I see no reason he shouldn't smash 20 TDs with ease.

For Michigan states offense hell yeah that’s impressive. Still at this moment Lewerke has done more than Haskins. That’s why you calling Haskins the best qb in the B1G right now is utterly rediculous.

 

[Across The Field]

For Michigan states offense hell yeah that’s impressive. Still at this moment Lewerke has done more than Haskins. That’s why you calling Haskins the best qb in the B1G right now is utterly rediculous.

I don't know that you've actually seen either player play. At least it's seeming that way. Lewerke is a marginal talent at QB. In 13 games, 1 or 0 TDs in 7.

Oddly enough, in his 1st season, Lewerke threw the same amount of passes Haskins did in his 1st season:

Lewerke: 31/57, 381 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT, 118.6 rating, 64.8 adj QBR
Haskins: 40/57, 565 yards, 4 TD, 1 INT, 173.1 rating, 93.3 adj QBR

Give me that potential from Haskins all day long. With his weapons, only a madman is taking Lewerke.

 

[Across The Field]

Careful, ATF may claim that shit for B1G.

Why?

 

[ralphiewvu]

I don't know that you've actually seen either player play. At least it's seeming that way. Lewerke is a marginal talent at QB. In 13 games, 1 or 0 TDs in 7.

Oddly enough, in his 1st season, Lewerke threw the same amount of passes Haskins did in his 1st season:

Lewerke: 31/57, 381 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT, 118.6 rating, 64.8 adj QBR
Haskins: 40/57, 565 yards, 4 TD, 1 INT, 173.1 rating, 93.3 adj QBR

Give me that potential from Haskins all day long. With his weapons, only a madman is taking Lewerke.

I’ve actually seen both players play. One way more than the other because the other (Your touting) has never started a game. So you are using stats from 2 years ago to make your point? An lol at you trying to compare stats all the while totally ignoring MSU offense being different from OSUs. Haskins is not the best qb in the B1G.

 

[Across The Field]

I’ve actually seen both players play. One way more than the other because the other (Your touting) has never started a game. So you are using stats from 2 years ago to make your point? An lol at you trying to compare stats all the while totally ignoring MSU offense being different from OSUs. Haskins is not the best qb in the B1G.

You have no basis for saying he's not, and you're also a WVU fan so I highly doubt you've seen any of either of them. So MSU's defense is different and that somehow means Lewerke is automatically better than Haskins? There's some WVU logic.

Haskins is better than Lewerke. Any coach who saw the two of them play would take Haskins. You're saying that you've seen Lewerke put up marginal stats so he is without question better than Haskins who is somehow incapable of putting up marginal stats. Your argument shows a lack of knowledge about either QB or team.

 

[ralphiewvu]

You have no basis for saying he's not, and you're also a WVU fan so I highly doubt you've seen any of either of them. So MSU's defense is different and that somehow means Lewerke is automatically better than Haskins? There's some WVU logic.

Haskins is better than Lewerke. Any coach who saw the two of them play would take Haskins. You're saying that you've seen Lewerke put up marginal stats so he is without question better than Haskins who is somehow incapable of putting up marginal stats. Your argument shows a lack of knowledge about either QB or team.

Your an OSU fan. You have no basis to criticize anyone considering your massively bias in this. I live in PA, aka B1G country. I get the B1G network. I have seen both play. One , waaay more than the other.

When did I ever say MSU and OSU defenses were different? What are you even talking about there? Do you actually read what you type?

You are arguing a guy who has never started a B1G game and has only seen mop up duty is better than a guy that has actually started and out up some decent stats for the type of offense he is in. Your argument shows a lack of being anything but biased for Ohio State. I guess that’s ATF logic at its finest.

 

[Deep Creek]

Well, again, as I stated before - the competition isn't that fierce. McSorely will take a step back IMO, Lewerke isn't that good to begin with, and who else is there? Thorson is gone, Hornibrook sucks, and then...?

Haha, oh come on now! Mrs. TrustMe won't take the shackles off for a Friday night?

...and to think you chastised me when I referred to this B1G QB competition as the "tallest midget"!