Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi (2017)

[juliansteed]

So as a result of apparently losing a debate with a friend of mine, I now find the Carrie Poppins scene (as well as a few other less dramatic scenes) less ridiculous.

For whatever reason, I was always under the impression that humans would die instantly in space without a space suit or without being completely enclosed in an airtight vessel and that lack of oxygen would be the least of their concerns. The others being extreme temperatures, lack of pressure that the human body is not use to, exposure to dangerous rays, and I just assumed there were probably a bunch of other things that I haven't even thought about.

After researching it a bit (not simply reading the links provided by my friend) it appears that humans can survive for brief periods in space. Most suggest you'd be dead or at least unconscious after about 15 seconds and that lack of oxygen would be what kills you after all as you wouldn't be able to hold your breath the same way you can under water.

Not sure if this is common knowledge or not (assuming the studies I read are correct) but it's new to me and I thought it was interesting. It gives me a bit of a different perspective on the Leia thing. I mean she still has to use the Force which happens in this Universe all the time to explain unnatural phenomenon but it's less of an extreme case of it now.

 

[broncosmitty]

So as a result of apparently losing a debate with a friend of mine, I now find the Carrie Poppins scene (as well as a few other less dramatic scenes) less ridiculous.

For whatever reason, I was always under the impression that humans would die instantly in space without a space suit or without being completely enclosed in an airtight vessel and that lack of oxygen would be the least of their concerns. The others being extreme temperatures, lack of pressure that the human body is not use to, exposure to dangerous rays, and I just assumed there were probably a bunch of other things that I haven't even thought about.

After researching it a bit (not simply reading the links provided by my friend) it appears that humans can survive for brief periods in space. Most suggest you'd be dead or at least unconscious after about 15 seconds and that lack of oxygen would be what kills you after all as you wouldn't be able to hold your breath the same way you can under water.

Not sure if this is common knowledge or not (assuming the studies I read are correct) but it's new to me and I thought it was interesting. It gives me a bit of a different perspective on the Leia thing. I mean she still has to use the Force which happens in this Universe all the time to explain unnatural phenomenon but it's less of an extreme case of it now.

Cosmic Temperature is -455 degrees.


Scene was stupid.

 

[Superbelt]

Cosmic Temperature is -455 degrees.


Scene was stupid.

You can survive the vacuum of space for a short time.

Can you survive in space without a spacesuit?

And Force Users can use their power to create a protective bubble. Leia's body did it defensively.
Protection bubble

 

[broncosmitty]

You can survive the vacuum of space for a short time.

Can you survive in space without a spacesuit?

And Force Users can use their power to create a protective bubble. Leia's body did it defensively.
Protection bubble

Protection bubble!?! There was no protective bubble. Her fingers froze. -455 is going to impact a body right quick. Liquid nitrogen is -320. Yeah, space is 135 degrees colder.


It was maybe the worst part of any Star Wars movie, ever. Imo. Just let her be dead. She's not even a good character at this point. And killing her off needs to happen.

That was a point I'd blame nobody for walking out.

 

[broncosmitty]

I'd rather watch a Jar Jar series than spend another second reading defense of that scene.

 

[Superbelt]

Protection bubble!?! There was no protective bubble. Her fingers froze. -455 is going to impact a body right quick. Liquid nitrogen is -320. Yeah, space is 135 degrees colder.


It was maybe the worst part of any Star Wars movie, ever. Imo. Just let her be dead. She's not even a good character at this point. And killing her off needs to happen.

That was a point I'd blame nobody for walking out.

Yeah it's super cold, but it won't freeze you immediately, you won't even get frostbite right away. You can survive it for a short time.

 

[broncosmitty]

Yeah it's super cold, but it won't freeze you immediately, you won't even get frostbite right away. You can survive it for a short time.

Stick your hand in liquid nitrogen.

It's warmer.

 

[Superbelt]

Stick your hand in liquid nitrogen.

It's warmer.

There is a difference.

Energy transfer with a fluid vs energy transfer in a vacuum.

 

[broncosmitty]

There is a difference.

Energy transfer with a fluid vs energy transfer in a vacuum.

The liquid won't rip all the air out of your body in an instant either.


The character should be dead. Don't defend it, please. It's a horrible scene and it isn't even Lucas' fault.

 

[Superbelt]

The liquid won't rip all the air out of your body in an instant either.


The character should be dead. Don't defend it, please. It's a horrible scene and it isn't even Lucas' fault.

Near vacuum accident, lasted 14 seconds before he passed out. Survived.

 

[juliansteed]

I'm still not a fan of the scene but I just dislike it less now than I use to. I haven't seen it again since opening night but if I remember correctly it looked very cringe-worthy nonetheless.

As silly as it was, I tried to chalk it up to The Force, even though in The Phantom Menace we saw 2 trained Jedi needing devices to help them breathe under-water. You'd think if an untrained Force sensitive person can survive in outer space that it should be no problem for a couple trained Jedi to survive under-water. I can't really remember what the time-frames were for either scenario though. Plus I suppose different Force users can have different abilities.

I also thought they shouldn't have simply been able to open the door and let her in or they all would have died instantly too. Now that I realize I was wrong, I'm more willing to let this stuff slide. I suppose we saw some similar questionable stuff in ESB too. I still have other issues with the movie, and the trilogy thus far in general, but maybe next time I watch it I'll have a bit of a different perspective.

 

[lilchi721]

Is it a head scratcher that Luke didn't use the force to lift up his sunken x wing fighter out of the ocean like he tried to do in Empire Strikes Back when it started sinking in the swamp on Dagobah. The guy is Jedi master shouldn't he have learned to master that by now?

 

[juliansteed]

Is it a head scratcher that Luke didn't use the force to lift up his sunken x wing fighter out of the ocean like he tried to do in Empire Strikes Back when it started sinking in the swamp on Dagobah. The guy is Jedi master shouldn't he have learned to master that by now?

I interpreted it as him having no interest in leaving the planet, or even leaving the island that he was on.

 

[The Derski]

Carrie Poppins. Now that’s funny.

 

[PatsFan2003]

Protection bubble!?! There was no protective bubble. Her fingers froze. -455 is going to impact a body right quick. Liquid nitrogen is -320. Yeah, space is 135 degrees colder.


It was maybe the worst part of any Star Wars movie, ever. Imo. Just let her be dead. She's not even a good character at this point. And killing her off needs to happen.

That was a point I'd blame nobody for walking out.

maybe she could only protect herself so much..

We're not talking REAL science here you know

 

[PatsFan2003]

Yeah. I don't understand why they saved her. Maybe they can use CGI to get her back to her A new Hope shape!!

I'd buy a ticket for that!

 

[PatsFan2003]

I interpreted it as him having no interest in leaving the planet, or even leaving the island that he was on.

bingo

I liked the sequence with Luke on the mining planet. A nice way to exit.

 

[wildturkey]

Yeah. I don't understand why they saved her. Maybe they can use CGI to get her back to her A new Hope shape!!

I'd buy a ticket for that!

She was saved because they had big plans for her in Episode 9. But Fisher died after all her TLJ stuff was done so they had two options 1) Leave TLJ alone and write around her death for 9 or 2) Totally reshoot the majority of TLJ to incorporate her death and write around her death for 9. Considering they haven't really come up with a firm plan on what to do for 9, the best and easiest option was to leave her in TLJ as originally done. Option 2 sounds good in hindsight but its a big undertaking and would have likely delayed the movie

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

*Spoilers in post*

I was between Meh and Solid, I voted solid but probably more meh as I thought about it more. It was messy that's for sure. It's like an IMDB 6.5'ish. That's kind of meh-solid.

They should've eliminated pink hair lady (can't remember her name) and had that filled by Ackbar. Finn and Asian lady needed to go away. They save some animals and remove a saddle and she's like, "Now it's worth it." Hey lady, DID YOU FORGET ABOUT THE FUCKIN' SLAVE KIDS and people dying to the Empire!? But no, since it's Disney we need to show that "WOMEN ARE HEROES TOO!" and "WE LOVE ANIMALS!" /slit wrists

The lightspeed ship thing was a cool FX sequence but made no sense whatsoever. If it was that easy you'd just suicide light speed the Death Star, the giant planet Death Star thing, and the likely Death Star thing giant laser threat blowy up stuff in Episode 9.

What's weird about Episode 8 is it feels like Episode 9. They kill Snoke, Luke saves everyone, the Empire squadron (most of it) gets defeated and they lose the head commander dude, and Luke dies. Like, the movie didn't leave us with much to look forward to in the next movie. We know that Kylo and Rey have to close their story and that's it... So Episode 9 is what? Probably another giant blowy up thing that will be a BIGGER planet that will like..... blow up the Galaxy or some shit I dunno.

Other then that, it was okay. Andrew Driver/Daisy Ridley are literally carrying the franchise forward. They are the only interesting things to watch in the film and they were on screen quite a bit so that was nice. Other then that it's a pretty forgettable trilogy.

I do find it hilarious that Leia (unless they do a plot twist with Luke) is the only one alive in the movie yet out of the actual actors Disney carried forward (alive initially) is the only one dead, LOL. Not trying to be distasteful but the irony is comical.

 

[juliansteed]

They gambled on the wrong actor/actress for sure. Although I'm sure it didn't occur to them at the time that it was much of a gamble.

And yet last I heard they still want Harrison Ford to start in another Indiana Jones movie in a few years.