Is Aaron Rodgers Overrated?

[CowboyB]

I'm just asking you questions to try and understand your thought process.

Well I already answered this so try reading.

 

[kburjr]

So you admit Rodgers isn't growing.

Looks like we are making some progress.

Ryan has become an elite QB. Rodgers has been an elite QB for years.

 

[packerzrule]

I'm just asking you questions to try and understand your thought process.

get a lobotomy, only then will you be able to understand his thought process

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Riiiiiight. And people blame Russell Wilson for letting America down and not Pete Carroll.

Perfect Example....They absolutely share the blame....Wilson doesnt have to throw the worst pass in SB history just because the worst play call in SB history was made

 

[CowboyB]

Perfect Example....They absolutely share the blame....Wilson doesnt have to throw the worst pass in SB history just because the worst play call in SB history was made

There is definitely truth to what you are saying but when the coaching staff keeps sending out the personnel for passing plays it's going to be very difficult to keep changing them to running plays.

 

[Sweets]

Are you saying there aren't any overrated players in the Hall of Fame?

Are you saying you don't make comments like to intentionally pick fights?

Whomever called you a troll is right.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

You think there is some black and white calculation??

It doesn't work that way. I have never said rings = greatness.

I did say if Rodgers was so elite and great he should have won another by now.

This is a valid point, but I think when you start drilling down into it, we're going to circle back to your opening post a little bit.

GB jumped all over the 2011 season and seem poised to go back to back ...they got smoked 20-37 by the NYG in the DIV rd (their 1st gm of the playoffs)...'12 they again lost in the DIV rd by a big margin 31-45 to SF but hard to blame Rodgers or the OFC in that one. '13 they lost in the WC rd again to SF 20-23 this time.

'14 was a strong season, 12-4 and they lost to a strong DEF team in SEA 22-28...Without going through every year since they won the SB, one thing I guess you can surmise is that GB's OFC, which was often in the top 10, didn't perform that well in those elimination games, but regular season defenses vs playoff caliber defense are two totally different things.

Brees is also grouped into this elite category and he only has one ring, but yr after yr puts up great stats like Rodgers...just doesn't have the team around him to beat other good teams in Jan/Feb.

 

[Moab]

Let's take a look at cowboyb's claim about beating up on NFC north teams. From the 2008 season, Rodgers' first year as a starter to the 2016 season the NFC North has had 16 playoff participants, the south had 14, the west 13 and the east 12.

So much for that weak division opponents idea.

You could think back to the 08 to 10 era and recall that the west was perceived as really bad, then the 12 to 14 seasons when the south was perceived the same way. However, if you look at which divisions the playoff teams come from, the East is the worst of them over that time frame.

 

[CowboyB]

This is a valid point, but I think when you start drilling down into it, we're going to circle back to your opening post a little bit.

GB jumped all over the 2011 season and seem poised to go back to back ...they got smoked 20-37 by the NYG in the DIV rd (their 1st gm of the playoffs)...'12 they again lost in the DIV rd by a big margin 31-45 to SF but hard to blame Rodgers or the OFC in that one. '13 they lost in the WC rd again to SF 20-23 this time.

'14 was a strong season, 12-4 and they lost to a strong DEF team in SEA 22-28...Without going through every year since they won the SB, one thing I guess you can surmise is that GB's OFC, which was often in the top 10, didn't perform that well in those elimination games, but regular season defenses vs playoff caliber defense are two totally different things.

Brees is also grouped into this elite category and he only has one ring, but yr after yr puts up great stats like Rodgers...just doesn't have the team around him to beat other good teams in Jan/Feb.

Fair enough. Those interceptions were quite costly though.

 

[CowboyB]

Are you saying you don't make comments like to intentionally pick fights?

Whomever called you a troll is right.

Of course I do. But at least my comments have validity.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Fair enough. Those interceptions were quite costly though.

They almost always are.

I just think it was one of those cases where the team may have peaked back in '10 or '11, somewhere in there, but they still had their franchise QB and tried to reload...your QB is good enough to get you to the playoffs most years, but you don't quite have all the talent to get over the hump again once you get there.

 

[PatsFan2003]

For a long time Aaron Rodgers has been labeled as elite but in reality, he has only won 1 Super Bowl and that was with the 2nd best defense in the league and while having many really good to great weapons at wide receiver.

Lately, Rogers has been falling flat on his face and has averaged only 9.5 wins over the last 4 years.

With all of the QB's who have won more than 1 SB you'd think Aaron Rogers would have if he weren't so overrated.

It's still a team game so often you can only go as far as your team can take you even if you are the best QB in the league.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

They almost always are.

I just think it was one of those cases where the team may have peaked back in '10 or '11, somewhere in there, but they still had their franchise QB and tried to reload...your QB is good enough to get you to the playoffs most years, but you don't quite have all the talent to get over the hump again once you get there.

Great point......In reality Rodgers is playing and carrying his team through many seasons that would otherwise be rebuilding years.....Thats pretty impressive and only a very select few can pull that off...Before the falcons loaded up around Ryan, he led 4-12, 6-10 and 8-8 teams

 

[Moab]

Great point......In reality Rodgers is playing and carrying his team through many seasons that would otherwise be rebuilding years.....Thats pretty impressive and only a very select few can pull that off...Before the falcons loaded up around Ryan, he led 4-12, 6-10 and 8-8 teams

You're saying the talent around Ryan makes him the best right now? I guess that would shoot more holes in cowboyb's theory, or lack thereof...

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

You're saying the talent around Ryan makes him the best right now? I guess that would shoot more holes in cowboyb's theory, or lack thereof...

Well I've stated exactly that a few times today

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Nope.

 

[Ricky Roma]

They almost always are.

I just think it was one of those cases where the team may have peaked back in '10 or '11, somewhere in there, but they still had their franchise QB and tried to reload...your QB is good enough to get you to the playoffs most years, but you don't quite have all the talent to get over the hump again once you get there.

In general, just look at points allowed. Rodgers has had 2 seasons in which his team was top 10 in points allowed, and they won a SB in one of them. For comparison, Tom Brady has had 13 seasons of similar defensive production, and came away with 5 SB's. Does that mean that Brady choked those other 8 opportunities away? Of course not, because a lot has to go right into winning SB's in the first place. I'm sure someone can break that defensive number down further...especially if they had some sort of an agenda, but that's a good place to start.

Bottom line is, Rodgers has more than carried his fair share on his own shoulders, and the Packers are basically a 3 win team without him.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Great point......In reality Rodgers is playing and carrying his team through many seasons that would otherwise be rebuilding years.....Thats pretty impressive and only a very select few can pull that off...Before the falcons loaded up around Ryan, he led 4-12, 6-10 and 8-8 teams

Exactly except Ryan hadn't really won anything, but he did he bridge the gap from the Turner the Burner teams that won a lot of games and had to be rebuilt when Mike Smith got fired.

 

[SeizeTheCarp]

In 2014 when the packers lost to the Seahawks by 1 score in the playoffs and Rodgers threw 2 interceptions, who's fault was that?

In 2015 when the packers lost to the Cardinals by 1 score in the playoffs and threw an interception, whose fault was that?

Against the Seahawks, that may be the worst playoff game of his career. Yet they still had a good chance to win with 2:00 left, until a third string TE tried to be a hero when the onside kick was going straight for Jordy Nelson's hands. The Packers never touched the ball again.

Against the Cardinals, Rodgers tied the game to go into OT, but never got the ball back because Palmer and Fitzgerald made monkeys of the Packers secondary in OT.

In other news, in three separate playoff losses, Tom Brady has thrown two or three INTs in each of those games. When is your post coming that Brady is overrated?

Look, I obviously don't believe Brady is overrated, but every argument you make for Rodgers can be applied to Brady or a different elite QB. I mean hell, Brady couldn't even win a Super Bowl with Randy Moss at WR. Sometimes things just don't go your way. And sometimes those things go against certain people more often than other people, through absolutely no fault of their own. It's called life.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

In general, just look at points allowed. Rodgers has had 2 seasons in which his team was top 10 in points allowed, and they won a SB in one of them. For comparison, Tom Brady has had 13 seasons of similar defensive production, and came away with 5 SB's. Does that mean that Brady choked those other 8 opportunities away? Of course not, because a lot has to go right into winning SB's in the first place. I'm sure someone can break that defensive number down further...especially if they had some sort of an agenda, but that's a good place to start.

Bottom line is, Rodgers has more than carried his fair share on his own shoulders, and the Packers are basically a 3 win team without him.

No question...I gave the OP the DEF PA stat ranking for every season since the SB win...his theory is that because he's an elite QB he should have more than 1 SB ring...it doesn't quite work like that.