Game of Thrones

[anotheridiot]

Its coming, I dont know how it will fit into the final episode.....So many different ways it could go in the Finale.....It appears most of the focus will be on the big meeting at Kings Landing, so do we have to wait till next season for the Arya and Sansa feud to continue? Does Bran play any role next week? Hard to determine how much they could fit into an hour next week

yeah, I agree, could someone actually decide to kill the rest of the leaders and take over all the armies to fight the dead? Sure seems more likely that Cersei would just support the fight but then be convinced she can take over the rest of them while they are up north or after the armies are reduced by so many dead. But it does appear it will all be the meeting, I guess we will see if the dead dragon makes an appearance during that or if we wait til they go to it.

It is scheduled for one hour 21 minutes though, so a little longer than this weeks episode.

 

[ill]

I like the show much better than his books, whereas usually it should be the other way around.
If the producers were given two seasons to wrap it up, then I would assume they are doing the best they can to appease their fan base. I'm ok with everything. Not ideal, but still entertaining.

this is where I am too. Some edits and cuts in the production have me scratching my head, but for the most part, I am enjoying the story.

There are just some things that frustrate me and it is keeping me from saying "this is the greatest show ever"

 

[chf]

that says absolutely nothing about his involvement. He isn't hands off, but he isn't there direction and making edits. We all know he has spread himself way too thin these days, but he isn't as involved in the show as he has been because it is no longer his material. He gave them the end game and let them handle it. They can ask him questions, but essentially he gave them a "this is how each character should end, get them there"

Imo, you have to kind of read between the lines. George doesn't want to portray himself as a control freak, and doesn't want to make B + W look bad.

I take him at his word that he's 'stepped back,' (ie he's not writing an episode himself.)

Doesn't mean that he's not actually involved beyond putting his name on the product and cashing cheques. You just have to look at how he can't say no to ANYTHING, with his 3000 side projects.

If the show runners were make fundamental changes in his beloved characters, he'd be involved. AGAIN, they've all agreed with the idea that they all end up in the same place.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

What's mysterious about what's happening to them. Cersei told us what was going to happen. The flesh was going to fall off daughter, while Mom watches.

What's to check in on? The sloughing?

Yes, because we have gotten used to the slow process....Im not complaining, but there is no question things are moving at a far faster pace than seasons past, so its something to get used to.......3 seasons ago, Cersei would have visited that cave with the Dorne girls, every week for 4 episodes

 

[ill]

The whole point of fantasy is escapism and using your imagination.

Do we find out what happened to Syrio Forel? Stannis?
They are never killed onscreen, but do they really have to be?

In my mind, every detail/minutiae doesn't have to be explained.
Like the ending of the Sopranos.
It's open for your interpretation.

It is a fair point about Euron going missing after they opened the season with him making a big impression.
Especially with Snowcean's Seven sailing up and down the east coast between Dragonstone/East Watch.

but the ending of the Sopranos was done in a way to leave it open to interpretation. With Stannis or Syrio, you are left to make the assumption and is confirmed by other characters. GRRM leaves a lot open in the books and follows up, like say, with Lady Stoneheart/Catlyn.

To make leaps and bound assumptions or have Benjen come out of no where to type up a sloppy plot hole is bad writing in my opinion. Who is to say Jon even comes back out of the water at all? Benjen could have helped.

It isn't like i am complaining about Jon not having some kind of hypothermia or anything.

 

[chf]

this is where I am too. Some edits and cuts in the production have me scratching my head, but for the most part, I am enjoying the story.

There are just some things that frustrate me and it is keeping me from saying "this is the greatest show ever"

See if you start there, I'm not arguing with you in the least. YES, there's little things that I notice about the show too, but overall, it's minor quibbling stuff.

I'm a fantasy nerd, and like I said upthread, this show is the best fantasy show ever, by the flying distance of a late seasons raven.

I'm 100% willing to kick in my S.O.D. for little details.

If they started fucking with the personalities of characters, I'd be baying at the gates too.

But overall, this show has spoiled us SO much, that we take it for granted. Some of these battle scenes have been the best medieval era battle scenes EVER PUT TO FILM.

In a friggin TV show.

We could be watching MTV's Terry Brooks adaptation instead.

 

[ill]

Heh, did you think I wouldn't read it?

C'mon dude.

you quoted the same exact thing i quoted. I was hoping you would read that.

 

[chf]

Yes, because we have gotten used to the slow process....Im not complaining, but there is no question things are moving at a far faster pace than seasons past, so its something to get used to.......3 seasons ago, Cersei would have visited that cave with the Dorne girls, every week for 4 episodes

Not necessarily. There was just MUCH more character development going on. They were STILL cutting out swathes and swathes of content/characters/action.

We're getting to the nitty gritty now. The rising action, climax, and then denoument. All the characters are set.

Shits going to move.

 

[Sparhawk]

but the ending of the Sopranos was done in a way to leave it open to interpretation. With Stannis or Syrio, you are left to make the assumption and is confirmed by other characters. GRRM leaves a lot open in the books and follows up, like say, with Lady Stoneheart/Catlyn.

To make leaps and bound assumptions or have Benjen come out of no where to type up a sloppy plot hole is bad writing in my opinion. Who is to say Jon even comes back out of the water at all? Benjen could have helped.

It isn't like i am complaining about Jon not having some kind of hypothermia or anything.

I agree with that.

But, Benjen did save Meera/Bran. He has obviously been tracking the undead army, so I don't think it's that big a stretch to have him come in and save the day.

And then you get this....

 

[chf]

but the ending of the Sopranos was done in a way to leave it open to interpretation. With Stannis or Syrio, you are left to make the assumption and is confirmed by other characters. GRRM leaves a lot open in the books and follows up, like say, with Lady Stoneheart/Catlyn.

To make leaps and bound assumptions or have Benjen come out of no where to type up a sloppy plot hole is bad writing in my opinion. Who is to say Jon even comes back out of the water at all? Benjen could have helped.

It isn't like i am complaining about Jon not having some kind of hypothermia or anything.

As someone who has done survival training, him going in the water is one of those SOD moments. at 0 degrees celsius, if you go in the water, you have 10 minutes to get a fire going before you're dead. It was well below zero in that scene.

But who wants to be THAT guy?

You just chalk it up to being a TV show, and roll with it.

 

[ill]

See if you start there, I'm not arguing with you in the least. YES, there's little things that I notice about the show too, but overall, it's minor quibbling stuff.

I'm a fantasy nerd, and like I said upthread, this show is the best fantasy show ever, by the flying distance of a late seasons raven.

I'm 100% willing to kick in my S.O.D. for little details.

If they started fucking with the personalities of characters, I'd be baying at the gates too.

But overall, this show has spoiled us SO much, that we take it for granted. Some of these battle scenes have been the best medieval era battle scenes EVER PUT TO FILM.

In a friggin TV show.

We could be watching MTV's Terry Brooks adaptation instead.

it is, I am not disagreeing. So many shows want to be like it, but won't because HBO has the money to throw at it to make it great, as opposed to early seasons where they would blow their budget on the direwolves.

But I still can't forgive bad story writing. The show is certainly a spectacle for the eyes and the characters are great, but sometimes I have to questiong whether the showrunners are doing what GRRM would do. And I am SURE there will be things that happen in Winds or Dreams that will have me throw the book across the room because George killed off someone else.

The show needs to continue to shock like that, but they won't. They have too many tie ins. I would have been upset if Tormund had been pulled under, but that is the GRRM way. I was expecting Bronn to go down, but he is too much of a beloved character now. Stop with that shit and kill people!

 

[ill]

I agree with that.

But, Benjen did save Meera/Bran. He has obviously been tracking the undead army, so I don't think it's that big a stretch to have him come in and save the day.

And then you get this....

is that legit?

 

[chf]

it is, I am not disagreeing. So many shows want to be like it, but won't because HBO has the money to throw at it to make it great, as opposed to early seasons where they would blow their budget on the direwolves.

But I still can't forgive bad story writing. The show is certainly a spectacle for the eyes and the characters are great, but sometimes I have to questiong whether the showrunners are doing what GRRM would do. And I am SURE there will be things that happen in Winds or Dreams that will have me throw the book across the room because George killed off someone else.

The show needs to continue to shock like that, but they won't. They have too many tie ins. I would have been upset if Tormund had been pulled under, but that is the GRRM way. I was expecting Bronn to go down, but he is too much of a beloved character now. Stop with that shit and kill people!

They'll kill plenty of people going forward (main characters too). I guaranfuckingtee it. They'll just do it, with style, to fuck with us, all out of the mind of GRRM, who actually made me throw a book across a room. (red wedding).

 

[chf]

And ill, your messaging needs work, if it's 'bad' tv writing, then it's not a really really good tv show just short of greatness.

And yeah, I'm being way too pedantic here.

 

[Sparhawk]

it is, I am not disagreeing. So many shows want to be like it, but won't because HBO has the money to throw at it to make it great, as opposed to early seasons where they would blow their budget on the direwolves.

But I still can't forgive bad story writing. The show is certainly a spectacle for the eyes and the characters are great, but sometimes I have to questiong whether the showrunners are doing what GRRM would do. And I am SURE there will be things that happen in Winds or Dreams that will have me throw the book across the room because George killed off someone else.

The show needs to continue to shock like that, but they won't. They have too many tie ins. I would have been upset if Tormund had been pulled under, but that is the GRRM way. I was expecting Bronn to go down, but he is too much of a beloved character now. Stop with that shit and kill people!

I get that. But, everyone is different.

For me, the banter between Tormund/Hound is more entertaining than the conversation between Jon/Beros. If I were a betting man, I would guess that B+W threw in Tormund/Hound as fan service. And that GRRM is responsible for Jon/Beros, as it is supposed to give us some amazing insight into their battle perspectives and give purpose to their respective causes. It didn't for me. It felt formulaic. And maybe that's just me, but I don't want to wax philosophical on why they are both doing it as their characters are pretty much fleshed out by now, so might as well get to the entertainment.

 

[Sparhawk]

is that legit?

It is, but I think it's more a trick of light/reflection than the wolf actually opening its eyes.
If it's on purpose, great job.
If it's incidental, it just goes to show you how obsessive we are as fans, noting every little thing.

 

[ill]

And ill, your messaging needs work, if it's 'bad' tv writing, then it's not a really really good tv show just short of greatness.

And yeah, I'm being way too pedantic here.

but it isn't something that has bothered me until they got past the books. When they were following the source material, with slight changes here and there, I was ok. I loved it. But now, they are throwing together shit I just have issue with.

 

[ill]

It is, but I think it's more a trick of light/reflection than the wolf actually opening its eyes.
If it's on purpose, great job.
If it's incidental, it just goes to show you how obsessive we are as fans, noting every little thing.

I kind of don't think the fucking hilt of the sword is alive.

 

[Sparhawk]

This was entertaining...
An Olympic Javelin Thrower Reviews the ‘Game of Thrones’ Spear Toss

 

[Mebert]

They'll kill plenty of people going forward (main characters too). I guaranfuckingtee it. They'll just do it, with style, to fuck with us, all out of the mind of GRRM, who actually made me throw a book across a room. (red wedding).

I think you are too big a fan of the series and the books to have any kind of objective view on this. If anyone has a comment on any of the material that is less than 100% adulation you will jump in with several comments about how they just don't understand, or they missed something. Failing to have anything in that bank you lean heavily on S.O.D.

The fact is the issues with season 7 are piling up and any non-biased observer can see it. Suspension of Disbelief is fine, but it should have a limit. Teleportation and timeline inconsistencies in the Doctor Who? Fine, the show premise fits it. In a fantasy series though? it is not really acceptable. For GoT I have no problem suspending disbelief for resurrections, magic, or dragons.

The root of the issue is of their own making, the books and the show did an unbelievable job of world building. So now when things need to condense it sticks out. The show is unraveling under a compressed timeline, you are just to close the the material to see it.