tOfficial 2018 Recruiting Thread

[ericd7633]

It's also based on Hyde, who as I mentioned, has had more pro success than Harbaugh's top 2 RBs ever combined. He, Elliott, and Weber have been back-to-back-to-back RBs at OSU, and each has had tremendous success. With another strong year, Weber is likely to be another top 3 round pick, and has even been mocked as a 1st rounder by walterfootball.com. Harbaugh simply doesn't come close to stacking up to this.

And Hyde hasn't really done shit at the NFL level. I never proclaimed Harbaugh had anybody at the next level have any success at RB. I think the whole argument is dumb. Putting Hyde, Elliot and possibly Weber in a position to get drafted is more important than what they do in the NFL IMO.

Also, Meyer has about a decade more of opportunities, so Harbaugh shouldn't come close to reaching that in reality.

 

[7Samurai13]

Harold Joiner, Mountain Brook, Running Back

The #3 ranked RB in the nation per 247, 4-star Harold Joiner out of Birmingham, AL has named Michigan State as his top choice/favorite.
Harold Joiner, a 2018 4-star RB from Birmingham (Ala.) Mountain Brook, has Michigan State on top

Hey @7Samurai13 @SpartyNash13 @Edonidd is Dantonio gonna be able to get this kid?

If Joiner does choose Michigan State, will it be a bit of payback for when Alabama plucked eventual Heisman winner Mark Ingram out of Michigan State's backyard a decade ago?

We don't have the payroll that other schools have and after the shit season we are about to have, I expect him to be opening his options to other schools.

 

[starbigd]

He's also on a different level in the passing game. He's a solid, if not great receiving option. However, his ability to block and pick up blitzes is on an all-time level for a RB.

He's got a ways to go in that regard. He can become an Emmitt Smith type blocker......Emmitt didn't just chip guys, he put DEs on their asses

 

[Codaxx]

What separates Zeke is not his physical abilities, it's his VISION

Vision in a RB is RARE.....it's what really separates the really good backs from the elite, great backs. The physical side always helps......but vision is something you simply can't coach or practice

What separates Zeke is that OL. It's why I said it was a bad pick and he would likely be the rookie if the year. That was more of a statement on the Cowboys needs, than Zeke as a player. Very good RB behind one of the best OLs in the game. ProFootballFocus stats have him in that 5-10 range

 

[starbigd]

What separates Zeke is that OL. It's why I said it was a bad pick and he would likely be the rookie if the year. Very good RB behind one of the best OLs in the game. ProFootballFocus stats have him in that 5-10 range

Then you need to watch more film of him. he's shown that vision and cutback ability from HS up. He was a complete back before hitting the NFL, one of the best talents I've seen at that position in years. He has no real holes in his game

 

[Codaxx]

Then you need to watch more film of him. he's shown that vision and cutback ability from HS up. He was a complete back before hitting the NFL, one of the best talents I've seen at that position in years. He has no real holes in his game

I didn't say he wasn't a very good RB. Just pointing out that Dallas had a 1000 yards rusher that averaged 4.6 yards per the year before. I think McFadden was 40 at the time. I though Jordan Howard had a better season. Guy averaged more per carry on a complete disaster of a team. Great player, but we are talking about being the best.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

I mean, the guy broke a tackle once every 4.4 carries according to PFF, so yes I saw him run over/through plenty of guys. Watch his highlights and you'll see plenty of times where he makes guys miss, hits a hole, and pulls off an impressive run. Again, he had just turned 19 before the season, so his body is still maturing. He got caught on some tackles last year that he could've broken, but that's largely a result of strength and conditioning, which he's had another full offseason to work on in arguably the top S&C program in college football. He made a lot more decisive cuts to make guys miss than you're giving him credit for, including impressive runs vs Oklahoma, PSU, and Wisconsin that come to mind. And again, this was behind a green OL in a very watered-down offense with a neutered passing game that allowed defenses to stack the box.

You can have your opinion on him, and that's fine, but here's something to consider: In the first 12 games of the 2014 season (his first as a full-time starter), Elliott ran for 1182 yards and 10 touchdowns on 197 carries. 6 yards a carry, 98.5 a game. In Weber’s first 12 games of the 2016 season, he ran for 1072 yards and nine touchdowns on 177 carries. Just about 6.1 yards a carry, a little over 89 a game. While he's no Zeke, as a rusher, he wasn't far off. When you also consider opponents (Weber faced 4 ranked teams, all finished top 10; Zeke faced 1 ranked team, 1 top 10), Weber's numbers weren't so awful. Give him this year and then tell me what kind of RB he is once he's actually put in a spot to have success.

How was Weber not put in the position to succeed? I watched quite a few of a highlight video and most of his bigger runs, he is untouched until he is tackled. The biggest one I saw was a 45 yard run against Rutgers and no one is remotely close to him.

I think you are setting yourself up for disappointment -- even mentioning Zeke and Weber's stats is silly. They are different backs. There is nothing elusive about Weber. He is more of a power back and those type of backs aren't going to pile up stats against good defenses.

We can wait the year out, but everything I've said about Weber has been spot on to this point. Don't get me wrong -- I'd love to have him on Michigan to run between the tackles. But I just don't see him being a game changing RB

 

[Across The Field]

And Hyde hasn't really done shit at the NFL level. I never proclaimed Harbaugh had anybody at the next level have any success at RB. I think the whole argument is dumb. Putting Hyde, Elliot and possibly Weber in a position to get drafted is more important than what they do in the NFL IMO.

Also, Meyer has about a decade more of opportunities, so Harbaugh shouldn't come close to reaching that in reality.

Great. Literally nothing you've said proves what I said wrong. Not a single thing.

 

[Across The Field]

How was Weber not put in the position to succeed? I watched quite a few of a highlight video and most of his bigger runs, he is untouched until he is tackled. The biggest one I saw was a 45 yard run against Rutgers and no one is remotely close to him.

I think you are setting yourself up for disappointment -- even mentioning Zeke and Weber's stats is silly. They are different backs. There is nothing elusive about Weber. He is more of a power back and those type of backs aren't going to pile up stats against good defenses.

We can wait the year out, but everything I've said about Weber has been spot on to this point. Don't get me wrong -- I'd love to have him on Michigan to run between the tackles. But I just don't see him being a game changing RB

Again, I don't think you've watched much of his highlight film if you think he's incapable of being decisive and making guys miss. He's not shifty like Barry Sanders, and I never said he was. However, he's perfectly capable of being a really good power back with good enough speed to put up great numbers. Like I said, I'm not saying he's Zeke. I said his numbers weren't much worse. He wasn't put in a position to succeed because that offense was garbage last year. If you gave Zeke the same carries Weber got last year, I could see him putting up maybe 150 more yards overall.

I think maybe you think I'm higher on him than I am. I think he is going to have a terrific season if the camp talk is accurate about him. He's perfectly capable of 1500/15/6.0 with an improved offense, and Kevin Wilson has shown a propensity to feed his RBs if they're performing, which I think he will. I guess we'll see.

 

[ericd7633]

Great. Literally nothing you've said proves what I said wrong. Not a single thing.

Urban has had one success story at RB in the NFL in his 15 years as an FBS head coach. Its pretty dumb to claim that's a reason why a RB would choose Ohio State over Michigan or any other program.

 

[starbigd]

I didn't say he wasn't a very good RB. Just pointing out that Dallas had a 1000 yards rusher that averaged 4.6 yards per the year before. I think McFadden was 40 at the time. I though Jordan Howard had a better season. Guy averaged more per carry on a complete disaster of a team. Great player, but we are talking about being the best.

I think Zeke can adapt and produce on any team. He had to learn how to run behind that Dallas OL.....and once he learned how to set up and wait on his blocks he was a monster.

He has a great combo of speed and strength, but his vision is what separates him from the others. Bell also has great vision, as does Shady McCoy

 

[Across The Field]

Urban has had one success story at RB in the NFL in his 15 years as an FBS head coach. Its pretty dumb to claim that's a reason why a RB would choose Ohio State over Michigan or any other program.

And a guy who "hasn't done shit" has a better career than Harbaugh's best two RBs combined. Looking at that plus what Weber was able to do in his first year is more impressive than anything Harbaugh has shown at michigan thusfar.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

And a guy who "hasn't done shit" has a better career than Harbaugh's best two RBs combined. Looking at that plus what Weber was able to do in his first year is more impressive than anything Harbaugh has shown at michigan thusfar.

I just noticed this about Urban Meyer. Carlos Hyde was the 1st RB to have 1000 yards with Meyer as coach. In 16 years as a HC, only 3 RB's have hit the 1000 mark.

Not sure if he is the guy to pump up about producing RB's

 

[Across The Field]

I just noticed this about Urban Meyer. Carlos Hyde was the 1st RB to have 1000 yards with Meyer as coach. In 16 years as a HC, only 3 RB's have hit the 1000 mark.

Not sure if he is the guy to pump up about producing RB's

Go back and take a look through his Florida years. He never had a true bellcow then, but he also spread the ball around a ton. In 2008, for example, he had four guys with 600+ yards rushing, with a fifth topping 400. That is absolutely unreal. Plus he had 4 years of Tim Tebow running the ball a lot. Looking at the program that actually matters now (Ohio State), he's had a 1,000+ yards rusher every single year, with two hitting that mark in 2013, with Hyde finishing 30 yards shy of having that happen in 2012 also. Last year he had three guys with 771 yards or more.

Long story short, the guy definitely knows how to run the ball. Given that he's demonstrated a definite dedication to his bellcow backs for the last 4 years (likely to be 5 this year), there's nothing negative to say at all about him.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Go back and take a look through his Florida years. He never had a true bellcow then, but he also spread the ball around a ton. In 2008, for example, he had four guys with 600+ yards rushing, with a fifth topping 400. That is absolutely unreal. Plus he had 4 years of Tim Tebow running the ball a lot. Looking at the program that actually matters now (Ohio State), he's had a 1,000+ yards rusher every single year, with two hitting that mark in 2013, with Hyde finishing 30 yards shy of having that happen in 2012 also. Last year he had three guys with 771 yards or more.

Long story short, the guy definitely knows how to run the ball. Given that he's demonstrated a definite dedication to his bellcow backs for the last 4 years (likely to be 5 this year), there's nothing negative to say at all about him.

3 RB's in 16 years. Stop with the RB talk. If you want to say dual threat QB's, I'd agree wholeheartedly.

 

[ericd7633]

And a guy who "hasn't done shit" has a better career than Harbaugh's best two RBs combined. Looking at that plus what Weber was able to do in his first year is more impressive than anything Harbaugh has shown at michigan thusfar.

Yes, in Urban's 15 years as a head coach, he's produced one elite RB at the next level, and Harbaugh hasn't produced one in his 2 years as Michigan. Congrats on that, I guess.

 

[Across The Field]

3 RB's in 16 years. Stop with the RB talk. If you want to say dual threat QB's, I'd agree wholeheartedly.

3 RBs in 4 years. Give me another coach who is doing a better job right now.

 

[Edonidd]

Harold Joiner, Mountain Brook, Running Back

The #3 ranked RB in the nation per 247, 4-star Harold Joiner out of Birmingham, AL has named Michigan State as his top choice/favorite.
Harold Joiner, a 2018 4-star RB from Birmingham (Ala.) Mountain Brook, has Michigan State on top

Hey @7Samurai13 @SpartyNash13 @Edonidd is Dantonio gonna be able to get this kid?

If Joiner does choose Michigan State, will it be a bit of payback for when Alabama plucked eventual Heisman winner Mark Ingram out of Michigan State's backyard a decade ago?

I gotta be honest, I don't really follow this stuff. But I would guess it really depends on a couple big things. 1 how old was his MSU lean, and what was behind it? If he met some guys on his official visit and had a great time, but it turns out those were the thugs that just got kicked off the team for r*pe... 2 And probably most importantly, how they do on the field. Was last year a down year, or sign of things to come with resurgent U of M?

I doubt he's coming all the way across the country to join a bad team, no matter how much he likes the coach.

 

[Wamu]

3 RBs in 4 years. Give me another coach who is doing a better job right now.

 

[Across The Field]

Yes, in Urban's 15 years as a head coach, he's produced one elite RB at the next level, and Harbaugh hasn't produced one in his 2 years as Michigan. Congrats on that, I guess.

Funny how you include 15 years of head coaching for Urban to belie his recent success of producing 1,000 yard rushers year in, year out, yet you include 2 years of coaching for Harbaugh even though he's coached college ball for 9 years. Shocking that you'd be trying to twist the facts to fit your slant.