OT - Sixers

[iceman42]

So why did Boston do this trade? It's not an offer that I would say wow that blew them away.

 

[TheSnowdog]

"Boston gets the No. 3 pick in Thursday's draft from Philadelphia, plus either a first-rounder in 2018 and 2019. If the Los Angeles Lakers hold a pick between No. 2 and No. 5 next season, Boston gets that one. If not, Philadelphia will send Boston either its own first-rounder in 2019 or Sacramento's first-rounder that year."

I haven't found details on this part yet
Anyone know if this means that Boston gets the lower of the picks or vice versa?

If it turns out that Sixers get to choose which pick is sent to Boston (if the Lakers pick next year does not meet the draft criteria) Sixers could be making out like bandits

Imagine -
#1 pick this year
Lakers end up drafting #1 next year - Sixers pick
either Sac's pick or Sixers end up with #1 pick in 2019 - Sixers pick

That being said - I would hope that by 2019 the Sixers will not be in a position to have their own lottery ball bounce to #1

 

[Premium]

"Boston gets the No. 3 pick in Thursday's draft from Philadelphia, plus either a first-rounder in 2018 and 2019. If the Los Angeles Lakers hold a pick between No. 2 and No. 5 next season, Boston gets that one. If not, Philadelphia will send Boston either its own first-rounder in 2019 or Sacramento's first-rounder that year."

I haven't found details on this part yet
Anyone know if this means that Boston gets the lower of the picks or vice versa?

If it turns out that Sixers get to choose which pick is sent to Boston (if the Lakers pick next year does not meet the draft criteria) Sixers could be making out like bandits

Imagine -
#1 pick this year
Lakers end up drafting #1 next year - Sixers pick
either Sac's pick or Sixers end up with #1 pick in 2019 - Sixers pick

That being said - I would hope that by 2019 the Sixers will not be in a position to have their own lottery ball bounce to #1

If the 2018 Lakers pick is not sent to Boston (not pick 2-5), then the Sacramento one the next year is.

As far as why would Boston do this? I assume they didn't particularly like Futz or didn't view him as a fit on their team. Could he play with Thomas, or would Thomas walk at the end of his contract if they drafted him. So if they figured they would draft Jackson or the like anyways, then they pickup an additional lottery pick and end up with the same player they wanted anyways.....Kind of a no-brainer for them really.

I like the trade for Philly as well. You can only put so many players on the court, so to trade 2 for 1 and get the guy you want that looks like a great fit, it's the right thing to do.

 

[old duke]

From what I've seen that rumor has no legs -- but that would be a terrible trade. It certainly would not be beyond Colangelo to trade for an overrated veteran that will end up not helping the team win a championship.

Agree. We don't need an older guy, and I think he's a little overrated. We want to keep going young, and hope to build a perennial power that can compete for championships.

 

[iceman42]

If the 2018 Lakers pick is not sent to Boston (not pick 2-5), then the Sacramento one the next year is.

As far as why would Boston do this? I assume they didn't particularly like Futz or didn't view him as a fit on their team. Could he play with Thomas, or would Thomas walk at the end of his contract if they drafted him. So if they figured they would draft Jackson or the like anyways, then they pickup an additional lottery pick and end up with the same player they wanted anyways.....Kind of a no-brainer for them really.

I like the trade for Philly as well. You can only put so many players on the court, so to trade 2 for 1 and get the guy you want that looks like a great fit, it's the right thing to do.

thanks . from the details that was the only thing I thought was either they didnt want to take their player at 1 so figured they could move a few spots and get a few picks -- cause in terms of value its a win for the Sixers esp if the Lakers end up getting the #1 pick next year lol.

 

[Rey]

So why did Boston do this trade? It's not an offer that I would say wow that blew them away.

I think for the Celtics is was more about opening up cap space (different cap #'s between pick 1 and pick 3). They liked Fultz just fine, but they are looking to add players for a run "now" and opening up the extra cap space to snag one of the free agents helps them much more than a rookie at this point. Plus they are deep at Guard ... so it's not a need position. They can land Jackson who isn't much of a drop off talent wise and a better fit to the team while also getting an extra first. It's really a win/win for both teams imo.

 

[Premium]

thanks . from the details that was the only thing I thought was either they didnt want to take their player at 1 so figured they could move a few spots and get a few picks -- cause in terms of value its a win for the Sixers esp if the Lakers end up getting the #1 pick next year lol.

From what I gather, these GMs have a fairly good idea of what the draft next year and the year after look like. The 2-5 range is unusual IMO, but I gather there is one guy next year, that the Sixer's really want and wouldn't want to lose out on, but then the next few picks are expected to be an interesting selection of Big Men, something that the Sixers don't feel is a need.

So the Celtics in all likelihood get the pick next year and get their big man they want, and the Sixers get Sacremento's pick the following year. If Lakers get number one its extra sweet for the Sixers, but if somehow the Lakers draft six or below it will kind of suck.

 

[LegoDoom]

So why did Boston do this trade? It's not an offer that I would say wow that blew them away.

Ainge said that he thinks the player that he would have taken at #1 will likely be there at #3.

 

[old duke]

Colandelo wants to get back into the 1st round. Maybe trading Okafor, and a 2nd round to sneak back in?

 

[iceman42]

I think for the Celtics is was more about opening up cap space (different cap #'s between pick 1 and pick 3). They liked Fultz just fine, but they are looking to add players for a run "now" and opening up the extra cap space to snag one of the free agents helps them much more than a rookie at this point. Plus they are deep at Guard ... so it's not a need position. They can land Jackson who isn't much of a drop off talent wise and a better fit to the team while also getting an extra first. It's really a win/win for both teams imo.

Makes sense

 

[old duke]

Colandelo wants to get back into the 1st round. Maybe trading Okafor, and a 2nd round to sneak back in?

OOPS! Typo "Colangelo".

 

[mall3013]

SO basically it sounds like Okafor has no trade value what so ever if the Sixers are trying to sneak into the 1st round with him and a 2nd? WTF is that? We drafted the guy with the 3rd overall. He has to be worth more than just sneaking back into the 1st round if traded, no?

 

[LegoDoom]

SO basically it sounds like Okafor has no trade value what so ever if the Sixers are trying to sneak into the 1st round with him and a 2nd? WTF is that? We drafted the guy with the 3rd overall. He has to be worth more than just sneaking back into the 1st round if traded, no?

He is not a good fit for the modern NBA. He has a good low-post game, but that's about it. He is terrible defensively, can't shoot, isn't good on the break or the PnR... etc.

He has no trade value, which was clear last year when they couldn't find any decent deal for him. Their best bet last year was when Portland was interested, but Denver swooped in with a better deal that sent Nurkic and a 1st for Plumlee and a future 2nd.

 

[knowyourenemy]

Colandelo wants to get back into the 1st round. Maybe trading Okafor, and a 2nd round to sneak back in?

SO basically it sounds like Okafor has no trade value what so ever if the Sixers are trying to sneak into the 1st round with him and a 2nd? WTF is that? We drafted the guy with the 3rd overall. He has to be worth more than just sneaking back into the 1st round if traded, no?

It's to the point where it makes no sense to trade him, unless the 76ers just want him off the team or he demands to be traded. I'd rather wait and see what he can do as a bench player than trade him for nothing. Maybe he becomes a contributor. Maybe he increases his trade value. No sense in trading him though.

As far as getting back into the 1st, Portland has a pretty tight cap situation and has three 1st rounders. We could probably work with them to get one of their 1st rounders (15, 20, 26). If Colangelo is trying to get back into the 1st round, there must be someone he likes and doesn't think they'll fall to 36.

 

[Rey]

I'd love to trade back up and somehow snag Forward TJ Leaf from UCLA (early to mid 20's).

 

[old duke]

Yes, Leaf, or Anunoby would look like good fits for us, I think. I really like what Colangelo did, and what I think he's going to do. Convert assets into good players, while still keeping other future picks.

 

[eaglesnut]

Agree. We don't need an older guy, and I think he's a little overrated. We want to keep going young, and hope to build a perennial power that can compete for championships.

Agreed we don't need the old guys. We are going to beat teams with pure energy and length for a few years.

 

[mannyz]

I really believe this team is set up to dominate. If the players we have play to their abilities and avoid injury, who has a better lineup? Especially in the east. Boston, common, a 3' tall PG and no bigs, the Knicks, now that is funny, the Wizards good team, possibly, he Heat, Nerlens is gone no more getting thrown around by Hassan Whiteside, The Hawks they are the Hawks, always a favorite but never good enough. Who else? Indiana is going to lose their best player, The Bulls are going to lose their best player, Cleveland will be good again, but once 67 YO Lebron leaves, they will be back to earth, the Nets, that is almost as funny as the Knicks.

 

[Rey]

Would anyone trade the first pick in the draft straight up for
Kristaps Porzingis?

 

[SoShady]

Would anyone trade the first pick in the draft straight up for
Kristaps Porzingis?

Nope. He made his bed he can lay in it. He had his chance to be a 76er and blew us/Hinkie off.