Is KSU coach Snyder in the wrong or in the right?

[Ron G]

Has Snyder ever pulled a scholarship from a player who was making grades but turned out not good enough to play? Some have said the 18 year old made his decision and should stick to it. Apparently, those people have never been 18. And finally,I really believe that we need to change the language. These are NOT Football (or basketball, etc.) Scholarships!!! They in fact are nothing more than Athletic Tuition Waivers and have very little to do with scholarship.

 

[4down20]

Has Snyder ever pulled a scholarship from a player who was making grades but turned out not good enough to play? Some have said the 18 year old made his decision and should stick to it. Apparently, those people have never been 18. And finally,I really believe that we need to change the language. These are NOT Football (or basketball, etc.) Scholarships!!! They in fact are nothing more than Athletic Tuition Waivers and have very little to do with scholarship.

That I have been 18 is exactly the reason they need the rule. 18 year olds change their minds too easily and need to be made to keep their commitments.

I joined the army when I turned 18. I think these kids got it pretty easy. Nobody seems to care what happens to kids who join the military, they sign a contract and they are expected to keep it.

But yet, kid gets a free ride to college, a much better overall deal and I'm supposed to entertain the idea that they are somehow getting the shaft here?

No way, it's bullshit.

 

[Ron G]

That I have been 18 is exactly the reason they need the rule. 18 year olds change their minds too easily and need to be made to keep their commitments.

I joined the army when I turned 18. I think these kids got it pretty easy. Nobody seems to care what happens to kids who join the military, they sign a contract and they are expected to keep it.

But yet, kid gets a free ride to college, a much better overall deal and I'm supposed to entertain the idea that they are somehow getting the shaft here?

No way, it's bullshit.

But using that logic, no college student should be allowed to change his major for four years. Going further, if the college dropped the major, to bad, the student, after all, picked the college and should stay regardless. The football equal to that would be a new coach using the read option while the previous coach recruited a QB for a Pro Style offense, that QB has to stay, right?

 

[Texas Jefe]

As great as he's been, this was the wrong move.

 

[HuskerinBig10]

After reading about this, Snyder is now officially old.

He made it personal at a Booster event. Then Snyder had to apologize. Never a good sign.

As much as I respect Coach Snyder for what he has done at K State, which is miraculous, he has to retire at the end of this next season.

 

[4down20]

But using that logic, no college student should be allowed to change his major for four years. Going further, if the college dropped the major, to bad, the student, after all, picked the college and should stay regardless. The football equal to that would be a new coach using the read option while the previous coach recruited a QB for a Pro Style offense, that QB has to stay, right?

How is that the same logic? Most college students pay for their classes, and they get to select their classes each semister.

It's apples and potato's.

And as for the rest, they are still allowed to transfer if they really want too. They can go to JuCo for a year and then go through the entire recruiting process again, or they can graduate and then transfer anywhere they want.

 

[outofyourmind]

Free Agency would devastate College Football as we know it.
Lots of people in this thread seem to want that.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Last time I checked, the kids commit to schools, not to coaches.

If a kid commits to a coach instead of a school, that's their fuck up. Sure coach means something, but overall they should realize these things will happen and that in the end they are committing to a school.

A good school will keep good coaches.

LOL at you for believing the kid commits to Alabama and not emperor Saban. GMFB

 

[ralphiewvu]

How is that the same logic? Most college students pay for their classes, and they get to select their classes each semister.

It's apples and potato's.

And as for the rest, they are still allowed to transfer if they really want too. They can go to JuCo for a year and then go through the entire recruiting process again, or they can graduate and then transfer anywhere they want.

You're arguing an athlete needs to hold true to his decision when signing with someone. Yet a student shouldn't hold true to his decision when going somewhere? GMFB It's the same thing in principle.

 

[Pariah]

Free Agency would devastate College Football as we know it.
Lots of people in this thread seem to want that.

KD to Alabama.

 

[4down20]

You're arguing an athlete needs to hold true to his decision when signing with someone. Yet a student shouldn't hold true to his decision when going somewhere? GMFB It's the same thing in principle.

A student pays, the atheletic has lots of resourses dedicated to them.

How is it the same thing in principle?

 

[Ron G]

How is that the same logic? Most college students pay for their classes, and they get to select their classes each semister.

It's apples and potato's.

And as for the rest, they are still allowed to transfer if they really want too. They can go to JuCo for a year and then go through the entire recruiting process again, or they can graduate and then transfer anywhere they want.

True that they pay, however, when they were accepted someone else was turned away (unless the school accepts every applicant). But that is my point, others are allowed to transfer and even have the same major at another school. The point is and this is critical, many athletic scholarships are not 4 year guarantees, they are one years offers that get renewed if the coach wants to.

 

[4down20]

LOL at you for believing the kid commits to Alabama and not emperor Saban. GMFB

According to @TrustMeIamRight they come to Alabama because it's in the SEC territory.

Saban being there is why they come, but they commit to Alabama and know that Alabama is dedicated to having everything top notch - including the best coaches available.

 

[4down20]

True that they pay, however, when they were accepted someone else was turned away (unless the school accepts every applicant). But that is my point, others are allowed to transfer and even have the same major at another school. The point is and this is critical, many athletic scholarships are not 4 year guarantees, they are one years offers that get renewed if the coach wants to.

The students pay the school.

The school pay the atheletes with education, coaching, food, housing and even straight money with the stipends now.

It's not even close to being the same.

Do you think people who join the military should be able to quit their job at anytime?

 

[tnapucco]

Kid has been allowed to leave now I hear.

Also hear he may have failed some tests. His urine wasn't smart enough apparently.

Tough love?

 

[socaljim242]

The students pay the school.

The school pay the atheletes with education, coaching, food, housing and even straight money with the stipends now.

It's not even close to being the same.

Do you think people who join the military should be able to quit their job at anytime?

Do you think kids in the military would be given a slap on the wrist after getting caught possessing and using illegal drugs and in possession of a firearm not registered to them?
That's how stupid your analogy sounds. It's two different things.
In the military there are consequences. It's not "PC" it's real life consequences.

 

[broncosmitty]

I hope the same shit happens to a coach when he decides to leave for another program.

Yep.


Gonna be hoping till we die though.

 

[Cowboyinexile]

Free Agency would devastate College Football as we know it.
Lots of people in this thread seem to want that.

This.

You think G5 schools are at a disadvantage now. Imagine how much fun it will be for them when their best athletes can transfer to P5 programs needing a starter without repercussion. Or when a position coach/lead recruiter gets a coordinator position at another school and a half dozen kids follow because they are his guys. Or when a bitter 3rd string qb transfers to a conference rival and brings his playbook with him.

I get some of the restrictions on transfers. There are multiple reasons kids should face a big penalty if they transfer in conference. I know Gundy took some grief about his restrictions on Lunts transfer a few years ago but there were a couple of schools in his ear before he decided to leave (which is probably common) so he basically only allowed him to go to the school he was probably going to end up at in the first place.
It can't be a free for all though

 

[socaljim242]

This.

You think G5 schools are at a disadvantage now. Imagine how much fun it will be for them when their best athletes can transfer to P5 programs needing a starter without repercussion. Or when a position coach/lead recruiter gets a coordinator position at another school and a half dozen kids follow because they are his guys. Or when a bitter 3rd string qb transfers to a conference rival and brings his playbook with him.

I get some of the restrictions on transfers. There are multiple reasons kids should face a big penalty if they transfer in conference. I know Gundy took some grief about his restrictions on Lunts transfer a few years ago but there were a couple of schools in his ear before he decided to leave (which is probably common) so he basically only allowed him to go to the school he was probably going to end up at in the first place.
It can't be a free for all though

Most coaches allow transfers now. Just usually not to a school in your conference and not someone on the schedule . The PAC has a season rule if it's a school in the same conference but USC let a kid go to Notre Dame and he played next season. I don't think they should be automatic but I also don't think coaches should be allowed to be this vindictive. If you're willing to accept transfers you should be willing to let some players go if they want. The it will be total free agency dont add up because if a school did that all the time players wouldnt want to go there. I know uSC is pretty tight with scholarships so even if two or three players wanted to transfer there I don't see how they could even fit them on the roster.

 

[Cowboyinexile]

Most coaches allow transfers now. Just usually not to a school in your conference and not someone on the schedule . The PAC has a season rule if it's a school in the same conference but USC let a kid go to Notre Dame and he played next season. I don't think they should be automatic but I also don't think coaches should be allowed to be this vindictive. If you're willing to accept transfers you should be willing to let some players go if they want. The it will be total free agency dont add up because if a school did that all the time players wouldnt want to go there. I know uSC is pretty tight with scholarships so even if two or three players wanted to transfer there I don't see how they could even fit them on the roster.

Schools would make room. There is too much at stake for them not to. If you guys were desperately thin at linebacker and Fresno had a stud that would help, I'm sure the 3rd string running back or an OL who couldn't get away from the training table if his life depended on it would suddenly realize the value of a Southern Miss education and a spot would magically open. It isn't right but with collegiate free agency it would be the norm.